test e dbol cycle

[jrmuscle]

hello i weigh 160 lbs 5'10" and bf is around 10%. for my first cycle with test enan i have done research for almost a year and have recieved my order and read alot of controversial ideas. so i need verbal or wriiten advice on my dosage.

week 1 methanabol 20 mg ( 10mg tabs )
weeks 2-4 methanabol 30 mg
weeks 5+6- methanbol 40 mg
weeks 1+2 test enan 250 mg
weeks 3-12 test enan 500 mg

pct
nolvadex 10 mg week 1 with 100 mg of clomid both every day
weeks 2+3 nolva 20 mg ed
week clomid 150 mg ed

if anything sould be altered feel free to let me know keep in mind i natuarlly have really low test.

[Beetlejuice]

I am not gonna say much about the tapering you are doing with the Dbol because even though alot of guys will say that tapering is useless I believe it is better than not tapering. I always taper everything either by dosage or by overlapping esters. I usually don't need much PCT either by the way by tapering in an advanced method (certain kinds of overlapping esters). Nolvadex is okay for your PCT but what really matters is your clomid. Do not run clomid during your cycle(it can make your gear less effective). Run the Nolva at 10-30 mg (try to run 10 only if you can) a day for the whole cycle. Since you are using Test enanthanate wait at least 2 weeks after your last injection (I might even go 2 1/2 - 3 weeks) to start using the Clomid. A good kickstart is 100 mg a day for 2 weeks (because of the length of your cycle) then 50 mg a week for 2 weeks after that. While running the clomid try to consume at least 200 grams of lean protein a day and work your ass off at the gym (the most important part of PCT). Also why start your test injections at 250 a week? I would run 500 mg a week all the way through. These are just suggestions Bro. I hope they help.

Originally Posted by jrmuscle

hello i weigh 160 lbs 5'10" and bf is around 10%. for my first cycle with test enan i have done research for almost a year and have recieved my order and read alot of controversial ideas. so i need verbal or wriiten advice on my dosage.

week 1 methanabol 20 mg ( 10mg tabs )
weeks 2-4 methanabol 30 mg
weeks 5+6- methanbol 40 mg
weeks 1+2 test enan 250 mg
weeks 3-12 test enan 500 mg

pct
nolvadex 10 mg week 1 with 100 mg of clomid both every day
weeks 2+3 nolva 20 mg ed
week clomid 150 mg ed

if anything sould be altered feel free to let me know keep in mind i natuarlly have really low test.

[jrmuscle]

youre just confirming what i thought about the test enan i have read so many differnet ways of doing it but i thought 500 mg would be maintained the whole cycle to get results that i desire. i am happy you told me about the clomid though i knew to wait 2-3 weeks after last injection but i was not sure on how much to go with for the nolvadex and clomid. and the protien is about where i targeted it a little less but i will be eating lots of chicken and fish. if you have any other advice ill be more than happy to read it. im still doing research for other future cycles. thanks for the info man it saved me some reading time. i appreciate it.

[jstforme]

week 1-6 keep at 40mg dianabol
week 1-12 keep at 500mg test, dont taper
pct 40,30,20,20 for 4 weeks maybe 5
i would start pct 2 weeks after last injection, there will still be a little testosterone in your body but you dont want to wait too long when you have none! To beetlejuice: you only think you dont need much of a pct when tapering...key word "think". pct is going to be very important whether or not your tapering. when your tapering from 750 to 500 to 250 to 0, dont forget that your body is going to do the same thing going from 750 to 0, yes its going to be faster but isnt getting natural testosterone back quick as possible the whole idea behind post cycle therapy? i have to disagree comparing nolvadex to clomid for pct, countless studies have shown that nolvadex is the way to go when comparing the two. i dont think you will need any nolvadex during your cycle, ive ran this before and never took it untill pct. to jrmuscle i would stick with beef for main source of protien, yeah theres like one or two less grams of protien compared to chicken breast but it has more cal's and fat... something that is very crucial for someone being 150lbs. 90/10 sirlion ground beef is also cheaper than fresh chicken, at least where i live. theres just something about frozen chicken ive never liked even though its a good buy.

[mickeymbbc]

Originally Posted by jrmuscle

hello i weigh 160 lbs 5'10" and bf is around 10%. for my first cycle with test enan i have done research for almost a year and have recieved my order and read alot of controversial ideas. so i need verbal or wriiten advice on my dosage.

week 1 methanabol 20 mg ( 10mg tabs )
weeks 2-4 methanabol 30 mg
weeks 5+6- methanbol 40 mg
weeks 1+2 test enan 250 mg
weeks 3-12 test enan 500 mg

pct
nolvadex 10 mg week 1 with 100 mg of clomid both every day
weeks 2+3 nolva 20 mg ed
week clomid 150 mg ed

if anything sould be altered feel free to let me know keep in mind i natuarlly have really low test.

You will be safe this way brutha:

week 1 - 4 - 40mg dbol everyday
week 1 - 10 - 500mg testosterone enanthate or cypionate

week 1 - 12 - 20mg nolvadex eveyday (if needed) IF YOU DO NOT NEED TO RUN THE NOVADEX, THEN YOUR PCT STARTS 2 WEEKS AFTER YOUR LAST SHOT.

PCT :
week 13 - 40mg nolvadex ED
week 14 - 30mg nolvadex ED
week 15 - 20mg nolvadex ED


Personally, I like clomid more than novadex but thats just me. I do not care about all them studies comparing the 2 of them, I just recover better with clomid, even though novadex works for me too. THATS WHY ITS VERY IMPORTAN TO LEARN YOU BODY AND WHAT WORKS BEST FOR YOU. IT'S NICE TO READ AND LEARN NEW THINGS, BUT YOU ONLY KNOW WHATS WORKS BEST FOR YOUR BODY WHEN YOU TRY IT.


-MICK

[Beetlejuice]

Well we can talk about it all day bro but I know how to work my esters, I didn't say I don't run PCT. You only "think" you are telling me something I don't know. However there are certain types of gear that don't aromitize very much. You can end your cycles with that gear. I like how people forget though that as the test levels are dropping so are the estrogen/DHT levels. Get them low eneough and PCT is easy, and you do a better job of keeping your gains. Don't put words in my mouth jstforme. I never said he or I didn't need it just that it becomes a lot less of a problem.

Originally Posted by jstforme

week 1-6 keep at 40mg dianabol
week 1-12 keep at 500mg test, dont taper
pct 40,30,20,20 for 4 weeks maybe 5
i would start pct 2 weeks after last injection, there will still be a little testosterone in your body but you dont want to wait too long when you have none! To beetlejuice: you only think you dont need much of a pct when tapering...key word "think". pct is going to be very important whether or not your tapering. when your tapering from 750 to 500 to 250 to 0, dont forget that your body is going to do the same thing going from 750 to 0, yes its going to be faster but isnt getting natural testosterone back quick as possible the whole idea behind post cycle therapy? i have to disagree comparing nolvadex to clomid for pct, countless studies have shown that nolvadex is the way to go when comparing the two. i dont think you will need any nolvadex during your cycle, ive ran this before and never took it untill pct. to jrmuscle i would stick with beef for main source of protien, yeah theres like one or two less grams of protien compared to chicken breast but it has more cal's and fat... something that is very crucial for someone being 150lbs. 90/10 sirlion ground beef is also cheaper than fresh chicken, at least where i live. theres just something about frozen chicken ive never liked even though its a good buy.

[jstforme]

i didnt mean to get you pissed beetlejuice. i wasnt putting words in your mouth, you know that. i simply was restating what you said, that you dont need much of a pct when tapering, isnt that what you said?! listen, you love tapering, i dont see the advantage of it, simple as that, just different views.

[BigO]

I bump Mick...!

Proviron and clomid are the ones I use....proviron when I'm on heavy test or when i need it...clomid for yor PCT...hands down...some do both nolva/clomid
for their PCT
Now you could try to do a smaller amount of d-bol but for longer duration...Like 10-20 mg's but for 8-10 weeks...I personally don't get anything out of it when using it in short durations...Like Mick says were all different that's when listening what your body tells everything you need to know...

[jrmuscle]

thank you guys you all have good advice i know to listen to what mt body tells me that works the best. i usually do not get much out of orals in short durations either so 20 mg a day for 8 weeks would probably do me better. again thank you all for the advice without it i wouldnt even use much of what ive been tought from books and scientific studies. you guys are alot of help and with alot of hard work and forums like this hopefully ill be Mr. O some day. sounds wierd coming from little guy like me but i can do big things i can feel it. peace brohas. keep me updated

[Beetlejuice]

No sweat. Sometimes we agree sometimes we don't but I know that your heart is in the right place. I don't mean to seem pissed. Oh well my bad.... I don't really like tapering dosages just overlapping different types of gear to decrease the amount of DHT\estrogen at the end of the cycle. Tapering dosages really is only worth a damn with T3 I think.

Originally Posted by jstforme

i didnt mean to get you pissed beetlejuice. i wasnt putting words in your mouth, you know that. i simply was restating what you said, that you dont need much of a pct when tapering, isnt that what you said?! listen, you love tapering, i dont see the advantage of it, simple as that, just different views.