Deca, Sustanon, T-Bol and Winstrol Tabs... help??

[thedon_1985]

Thank you guys for all of your help. I will split it into two 10 Week Cycles.

I bought 20,000iu of HCG to add to my cycle... which of course I will be splitting this up between the 2 cycles. Nolva... I'm afraid I'm too late on that, but I'll probably buy some Liquid Nolva.

And AlwaysBanned... thanks for your advise... even though your a dick, lol.
I will cut my dosage of Arimidex in half (.25mg everyday)... unless I see some bad sides, then I'll bump it back up to .5mg ed.
AND the reason that I am doing 2x the Deca than of Sustanon (Test) is because I get ACNE like a son of a bitch!! My last cycle's cause of acne was the Test I took. My doctor told me that, and my trainer told me that. My trainer has tons of exp, and he suggested the dose that I decided to take (2x the deca than test).

I appreciate all of your help, I will keep everyone updated.

Also... do I need to buy some Bacteriostatic Water for Alin's HCG, or does it come with it???

[thedon_1985]

What I meant to say is I'm sorry and I won't do that again.

[bcolby]

what was you previous cycle, and what type of gains did you make/keep?

500iu of hcg is usually recommended, you can use a 1000iu if you want but i would stick to the regular. you will need to buy Bac water separately.

to make it easy on yourself and to bump up your test a little, i would do your pinning every five days with you hcg. EX. 300mg deca, 250mg sus and 500iu hcg ea 5 days. this will bring your doses to 450 of deca, 325 of sus and 750 of hcg a week.

you should be able to order the nolva from the site.

[thedon_1985]

Originally Posted by bcolby

what was you previous cycle, and what type of gains did you make/keep?

500iu of hcg is usually recommended, you can use a 1000iu if you want but i would stick to the regular. you will need to buy Bac water separately.

to make it easy on yourself and to bump up your test a little, i would do your pinning every five days with you hcg. EX. 300mg deca, 250mg sus and 500iu hcg ea 5 days. this will bring your doses to 450 of deca, 325 of sus and 750 of hcg a week.

you should be able to order the nolva from the site.

Wow... its hard to believe that you're 22. You are a pretty smart guy!

The only problem with the every 5 days is that it will kinda get confusing after awhile.

I can't remember the exact length of the cycle, but I'll do my best:

(12-Week Cycle)

500mg Test-E per week
400mg Equipoise per week
30-40mg D-bol per day
.25 Arimidex per day (ran out early)
Milk thistle
Used Letro within middle of cycle... helped out.

PCT: Clomid... tapered off according to recommendations.

My trainer said the acne/gyno had to be from the Test, because EQ wouldn't cause it (an d-bol would be at extreme minimum)

[bcolby]

lol i just read and read, thats all. there is alot of contadictary information out there, ya know... anyway

get a calander and mark off the days you pin, this is the easiest way to keep track of your schedule and when you started.

i would have to disagree about the dbol causing minimal acne, especially if you took it throughout your whole cycle. ive read stories of people running test c and dbol then having acne by the second week, whick would indicate it was coming from the dbol and not the test. the suggestions were to get accutane or something like that to fight it off.

[thedon_1985]

Originally Posted by bcolby

lol i just read and read, thats all. there is alot of contadictary information out there, ya know... anyway

get a calander and mark off the days you pin, this is the easiest way to keep track of your schedule and when you started.

i would have to disagree about the dbol causing minimal acne, especially if you took it throughout your whole cycle. ive read stories of people running test c and dbol then having acne by the second week, whick would indicate it was coming from the dbol and not the test. the suggestions were to get accutane or something like that to fight it off.

Well, I actually seemed to get the acne really quick after my arimidex ran out... and now just last week I read that Arimidex has cleaned up the acne on a lot of people. Some people said without even doing AAS they take Arimidex to get rid of acne. So I stocked up on it, and have at least a years supply (even if I did 1mg per day!)

And about my gains....
I was around 150 - 155lbs before my first cycle. After my cycle, I was 185 - 190. Then I lost it rapidly after a few months (probably because I had no desire to go to the gym because I was weak, depressed, and had acne all over my body... so I couldn't show off my gains to the girls... )

I think I fell to around 165lbs. Later on I started taking Tribulus Terrestris pills, and started gaining a little. Then took the prohormone H-Drol and peptide GHRP-6, and got up to 185.
5 months later... here I am.... 185lbs

Trying to get over 200lbs this time around. Wish me luck.

PS. Alot of people told me that I wasted my time and money using EQ, because supposably it takes at least 12 weeks to START kicking in! Thats why I decided to skip the horseshit and go with the real thing DECA

[bcolby]

well thats good you have something to take care of it this time around. that way if you follow the 5 day routine and it bumps up your dosages, you wont have the acne problems, it should work out perfect.

IMO you will need run the sus 12 weeks because you are supposed to stop the deca 2 weeks before you test. this is something ive read over and over you can look why...

you are still running orals your whole cycle... if you ran it a little longer you could give you liver some time to rest. at 12 weeks run the tbol 4 weeks, rest 4 weeks, run winny 4 weeks... or if you ran the test 14 and the deca 12 you could do your 5-4-5.

i hope you see the problem running orals that long. you may be able to do it for a while, but what if one cycle its too much and your liver completely fails. then you need a transplant, all because you didnt want to rest inbetween or cut of a week here and add a week there. be smart about it your body is strong but do you really know how strong...

by the way its interesting that we are similar size, i have platued in my cycle right now and am trying to break through but i dont know if its going to happen. my eating habits were horrible and im doing it right from now on i suggest you do the same.

[thedon_1985]

Originally Posted by bcolby

well thats good you have something to take care of it this time around. that way if you follow the 5 day routine and it bumps up your dosages, you wont have the acne problems, it should work out perfect.

IMO you will need run the sus 12 weeks because you are supposed to stop the deca 2 weeks before you test. this is something ive read over and over you can look why...

you are still running orals your whole cycle... if you ran it a little longer you could give you liver some time to rest. at 12 weeks run the tbol 4 weeks, rest 4 weeks, run winny 4 weeks... or if you ran the test 14 and the deca 12 you could do your 5-4-5.

i hope you see the problem running orals that long. you may be able to do it for a while, but what if one cycle its too much and your liver completely fails. then you need a transplant, all because you didnt want to rest inbetween or cut of a week here and add a week there. be smart about it your body is strong but do you really know how strong...

by the way its interesting that we are similar size, i have platued in my cycle right now and am trying to break through but i dont know if its going to happen. my eating habits were horrible and im doing it right from now on i suggest you do the same.

Thanks man... you have been the biggest help to me on this entire forum. I will definitely take your advise. 5-4-5 for the orals. Now this will be 14 weeks (1-12 Deca and 1-14 Sust).

Now will this effect my HCG doses? Should I run the hcg through pct as well? (i seen some people say for long cycles to run hcg through pct as well)

[bcolby]

IMO run week 3-6 and 11-14, that way your boys are taken care of for sure, and you have time inbetween for them to rest. FYI after you mix it up you'll need to keep it refrigerated and it will loose potency after 30 days or so, only mix what youll be using for the next month at a time.

i found this to explain...
"If HCG is taken by male athletes over many weeks and in high dosages, it is possible that the testes will respond poorly to a later HCG intake and a release of the body's own LH. This could result in a permanent inadequate gonadal function."

[thedon_1985]

Originally Posted by bcolby

IMO run week 3-6 and 11-14, that way your boys are taken care of for sure, and you have time inbetween for them to rest. FYI after you mix it up you'll need to keep it refrigerated and it will loose potency after 30 days or so, only mix what youll be using for the next month at a time.

i found this to explain...
"If HCG is taken by male athletes over many weeks and in high dosages, it is possible that the testes will respond poorly to a later HCG intake and a release of the body's own LH. This could result in a permanent inadequate gonadal function."

WHOOOOAA!! Holy shit... that would suck!

Gotcha man, its pretty much like GHRP-6. You have to keep the lypholized powder in the freezer at all times and it will have a long life. But once you reconstitute it with the bacteriostatic water, you have to keep it refrigerated at all times, and you usually have about 15 days before it starts decreasing in strength... after 30 days its pretty much useless.