Lr3igf-1 and T3 help needed

[Machola]

in the next month or 2 i plan on running a Lr3igf-1/t3 cutting cycle. im currently on 500mg test/week and will be taking it during the igf-1/t3 cycle. i will be taking 40mcg/day igf-1 for approx 25 days. i have a couple questions.

1. how should i run the t3? I'm thinkin i should start the t3 a week b4 starting igf-1 so i can ramp up to a decent size dose first.

2. should i eat my mantainence calories or a cutting diet?

3. i've heard im or sc injections are basicaly equal in effectiveness and should be taken after workout. is that true?

any help is appreciated

[thesinner]

I'm currently taking IGF-LR3 4 days per week, injecting IM immediately post-workout (the longer you wait, the less effective it will be). This is a common protocol that's been annecdotally shown to minimize organ hyperplasia and maximize muscular hyperplasia.

The results have been great. BF is down, and muscle size and separation are going up (although the hyperplastic effect is not as pronounced as the hypertrophic effect one would get from steroids).

One thing I notice is that I'll get random hypoglycemic episodes throughout the day.

With the superior lipolytic effects of IGF and the hypoglycemic lethargy that comes with it, I don't think it's quite necessary to be adding T3 because this will increase fat-burning but will also increase lethargy.

[Machola]

thanks for the input sinner. what do the diabetic episodes feel like? does eating carbs stop them? what kind of diet would you recommend for cutting? thanks again

[thesinner]

I've always been a fan of lowering carbs during a cut....but with IGF, that pretty much goes out the window. I'm currently taking IGF as a part of my post cycle therapy regimen because it supercompensates the stunting effect of IGF production caused by Tamoxifen (nolvadex).

Common signs of hypoglycemia are a headache and sleepyness. Depending on how severe it gets, it feels like someone's "squeezing" the energy out of your brain. Pop 900mg of Alpha-Lipoic acid on an empty stomach, and you'll know what classic hypoglycemia feels like. :D

I'm seeing that you're already on a weekly 1/2g of test. Since this is a cut, I would recommend using T3 during the cut. You can use the IGF after the cutting cycle is over (or start the last week 'on') to help maintain a low BF% while your T3 levels recover, injecting immediately post-workout into a muscle you've worked every 3rd day or every other day. IGF activates your receptors for 72 hours so injecting everyday is overkill and cause for burnout.

It's also very important to inject a soon as possible after the muscle has been worked because muscular IGF receptors are most upregulated at this time, but downregulate QUICKLY.

[Machola]

thanks again. what dosage do you take?

[thesinner]

40mcg bilaterally. I load up needles with 20mcg and inject on each side. I injected into the triceps this morning.

Here's a couple good reads from another board for anyone interested in learning more on IGF-1 and LR3 IGF-1:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/igf-1-gh/52017-my-take-igf.html
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/igf-1-gh/64886-igf-info-beginners.html

[sammarbella]

in the next month or 2 i plan on running a Lr3igf-1/t3 cutting cycle. im currently on 500mg test/week and will be taking it during the igf-1/t3 cycle. i will be taking 40mcg/day igf-1 for approx 25 days. i have a couple questions.

1. how should i run the t3? I'm thinkin i should start the t3 a week b4 starting igf-1 so i can ramp up to a decent size dose first.

2. should i eat my mantainence calories or a cutting diet?

3. i've heard im or sc injections are basicaly equal in effectiveness and should be taken after workout. is that true?

any help is appreciated

thesinner replies are ok.

I prefer to cut with AAS combined with clen (ketotifen is needed) and T3 and use IGF-1 starting in pct still combined with Clen(and ketotifen).

This special PCT for a cutting cycle allows you to increase calories after a cycle where you used T3 and still not gain fat AND having the PCT rebound.(after cutting...).

[Machola]

seems like both of you use it during pct. if i do go through with this, im still scared as shit about growin an igf/gh gut, i will use it after aas cycle. great links sinner. i didnt know the intestines have the most receptors. thats scary as hell. and the part that said you wont see the full growth until the cells have matured 5-6 MONTHS LATER!! that would stress me so much. i think if i used it id be stressin for half a year waitin to see if i took too much and multiplied the cells in my gut.