Deca & Test

[arnold jr]

First off, I'm not trying to bash anyone’s opinion or flame anyone in particular. These two questions are honest questions, and I'm just trying to get an understanding of the reasoning behind the subjects.

A lot of you guys on here seem to promote deca use without test, so if you run cycles of deca without test, how do you combat against progesterone sides and suppression? I remember "Mick" said something in one of my threads about 600MG B-6 will take care of the progesterone sides, but is that it, is that sufficient?

One theory I have is that a lot of you are willing to sacrifice libido for gains. Is that the case here? If it is that's fine, I'm just trying to get a better understanding of all of your position on this.

Second question, why do so many here also promote cycles that are without test in general, since test is already produced in the body naturally, it is a hormone that is familiar to the body, and in my opinion one of the easiest substances for the body to handle. Further, it is one of the best things in the world to aid in putting on mass as well as preserving muscle while dieting. So why would you not want to add it in to every cycle, what's the reasoning?

Arnold jr.

[mickeymbbc]

First off, I'm not trying to bash anyone’s opinion or flame anyone in particular. These two questions are honest questions, and I'm just trying to get an understanding of the reasoning behind the subjects.

A lot of you guys on here seem to promote deca use without test, so if you run cycles of deca without test, how do you combat against progesterone sides and suppression? I remember "Mick" said something in one of my threads about 600MG B-6 will take care of the progesterone sides, but is that it, is that sufficient? YES ITS SUFFICIENT!!!

One theory I have is that a lot of you are willing to sacrifice libido for gains. Is that the case here? If it is that's fine, I'm just trying to get a better understanding of all of your position on this. YOU NEED TO READ A LITTLE BIT MORE BEFORE MAKING COMMENTS, NOBODY IS SACRAFICING THEIR LIBIDO, THATS WHAT PROVIRON IS FOR.!!!

Second question, why do so many here also promote cycles that are without test in general, since test is already produced in the body naturally, it is a hormone that is familiar to the body, and in my opinion one of the easiest substances for the body to handle. Further, it is one of the best things in the world to aid in putting on mass as well as preserving muscle while dieting. So why would you not want to add it in to every cycle, what's the reasoning?

Arnold jr.

All theses questions can come from simple research. TEST DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN EVERY CYCLE BRUTHA, YOU NEED TO TAKE A SEAT AND DO SOME HEAVY DUTY READING SO YOU CAN EDUCATE YOURSELF MORE.


-MICK

[arnold jr]

All theses questions can come from simple research. TEST DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN EVERY CYCLE BRUTHA, YOU NEED TO TAKE A SEAT AND DO SOME HEAVY DUTY READING SO YOU CAN EDUCATE YOURSELF MORE.


-MICK
Bro, I'm not a newbie when it comes to AAS use or research. I understand what things like Proviron are for and I understand how certain cycles effect my body. And from the countless hours of my own research I've done along with my own trial and error, I can not understand why someone would run a cycle without test... and yes, I've run cycles without test, used Proviron and had complete shutdown.

All I did was ask some simple questions and just wanted simple straight forward answers, that's it.

I hope this reply doesn't come off as me being pissed, far from it, I don't get pissed off when someone contradicts me on a message board...just wanted to clarify that.

Arnold jr.

[mickeymbbc]

Bro, I'm not a newbie when it comes to AAS use or research. I understand what things like Proviron are for and I understand how certain cycles effect my body. And from the countless hours of my own research I've done along with my own trial and error, I can not understand why someone would run a cycle without test... and yes, I've run cycles without test, used Proviron and had complete shutdown.

All I did was ask some simple questions and just wanted simple straight forward answers, that's it.

I hope this reply doesn't come off as me being pissed, far from it, I don't get pissed off when someone contradicts me on a message board...just wanted to clarify that.

Arnold jr.

Don't worry brutha, I do not think that your pissed :) I am not all about that Imature fighting, before that happens the problem will be rectified(believe me) To answer your question then, I think that many people try no test cycles alone for many reasons:

1. for comp
2. gyno problems
3. estrogen
4. curiosity alone
5. avoiding the bloat
6. avoiding acne
7. cutting up more

ok people, lets here some more reasons here, I would also like to here some of the reasons that some do no test cycles.




-mick

[zozom]

8. become a fat ass :D

[mickeymbbc]

8. become a fat ass :D


I am confused with this comment!@#??



-mick

[sTaTic]

I tend not to (always) use test because of the acne and bloat. I've never experienced a loss of libido though. (maybe its cuz my wife is a hottie:)) I've only used proviron once and my libido was way crazy. My wife(girlfriend at the time) couldn't keep up ;).

My favorite cycle is EQ and Tren. Love it and if I had to choose 2 types of gear and only use those 2, it would be EQ and Tren. Dont get me wrong, I do use test but it would only be on a winter cycle where tons of clothes are worn. Or I would use armidex throughout the whole cycle to limit the water bloat and high levels of estrogen(even though I have used 750mgs every 5 days of test E/50mgs anadrol ED and had no probs with gyno) guess i'm one of the lucky few... no test cycles with no libido shutdown and not prone to gyno :eek:

[mickeymbbc]

I tend not to (always) use test because of the acne and bloat. I've never experienced a loss of libido though. (maybe its cuz my wife is a hottie:)) I've only used proviron once and my libido was way crazy. My wife(girlfriend at the time) couldn't keep up ;).

My favorite cycle is EQ and Tren. Love it and if I had to choose 2 types of gear and only use those 2, it would be EQ and Tren. Dont get me wrong, I do use test but it would only be on a winter cycle where tons of clothes are worn. Or I would use armidex throughout the whole cycle to limit the water bloat and high levels of estrogen(even though I have used 750mgs every 5 days of test E/50mgs anadrol ED and had no probs with gyno) guess i'm one of the lucky few... no test cycles with no libido shutdown and not prone to gyno :eek:



Thats interesting Static, there or not that many people that can get away with a Eq, Tren cycle.(you are gifted) There are many natsy sides that both can give together.........


-mick

[sTaTic]

I know, i read it all the time but none of what i read happens to me. So I guess i will keep doing it until it changes because thats what keeps me the most cut all year around.

[Alin]

I typically sugges Test as base for most all cycles. Everything just goes better with Test.

[Tyree33]

Eat my ass Static, ya lucky bastard! :p

[sTaTic]

Eat my ass Static, ya lucky bastard! :p



Ha Ha Ha :D no thanks... i'll pass on that one :eek:

[zozom]

TesT+Proviron are great together it keep the bloat away and improve the testosterone it also increase the potency of androgens receptor and decrease sides effects.

[arnold jr]

1. for comp
2. gyno problems
3. estrogen
4. curiosity alone
5. avoiding the bloat
6. avoiding acne
7. cutting up more




-mick
*These concerns such as gyno, estrogen, bloat, can be rectified with proper precautions.

*As for comp, I like the idea of the test helping me better preserve my muscle especially when dieting becomes extremely low cal. My deal is run my base test up until 5wks out, then switch to prop, at the end. Will pull prop all together by 7days out, may do it even sooner if needed to elevate what minimal bloat there may be.

*As for the acne, I've never had any problems with it on test. My worst acne seems to pop up when using clomid...anyone else ever have that?

Appreciate all the input so far from everyone

Arnold jr.

[sTaTic]

Im going to start my pct end of the week so ill let you know if i get acne with clomid use. Cant seem to remember

[zozom]

i had little acne with clomid nothing amazing and nothing worse.

[erhard]

at the end of my eq and tren hex cylcle i got a good bit of acne from the clomid myself