hcg

[muscle22]

hey bros, ive been on for awhile and was going to add some hcg in my cycle to keep my balls full (since there pretty small now :)
what would you recommend as a dose to take each week?
everyone has a different opinion on it so i just want to hear you guys!! :) thanks in advance

[lola26]

what type of cycle are you doing, stats, experience?

[muscle22]

ive been on for alittle under a year, im using:

sust-750/wk
deca-500/wk

was doing tren at 75mg eod, did that for 8 wks, and im bout to add in a oral winny at 50 to 100mg ed for 4-6wks (not sure how much ill be getting to use yet)

ive been on a consistant dose a sust for most that year but the deca was added about 10 wks ago and i will go for alittle while longer on that too

[sammarbella]

ive been on for alittle under a year, im using:

sust-750/wk
deca-500/wk

was doing tren at 75mg eod, did that for 8 wks, and im bout to add in a oral winny at 50 to 100mg ed for 4-6wks (not sure how much ill be getting to use yet)

ive been on a consistant dose a sust for most that year but the deca was added about 10 wks ago and i will go for alittle while longer on that too

Sust at 750 for a year without any HCG?

I wonder you are STILL able to see your raisin size balls! :eek:

Lola26:

This one is for you, too small eggs for me.

It must be contagious,Wait!....

... NO! I use my HCG in a regular basis. :D

[muscle22]

yeah im surprised i can see them too :)

i know alot people suggest 500ius every wk or so, but i also heard of 100iu a wk would be good enough, im just trying to get others opinions

thanks

[joelittle]

yeah im surprised i can see them too :)

i know alot people suggest 500ius every wk or so, but i also heard of 100iu a wk would be good enough, im just trying to get others opinions

thanks
hi there m8,
just use the search button :)
not being funny but theres some great hcg protecals on the site with great info.
best
joe

eg this is also pct but good info(a must read )


Sure, here is Swale's PCT protocol. He is a doctor (HRT specialist):

"I advise my AAS patients to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to 500IU) two days each week, right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function. It makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big fan of maintaining estrogen within physiological ranges. Both therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.

Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid-induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).

If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isn’t enough to stave off testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldn’t mind having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.

The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce testosterone at the end of the cycle. LH levels rise fairly rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by lack of use. I also want to make sure a SERM, such as Clomid or Nolvadex, is at effective serum dosage (around 100mg QD for Clomid, 20-40mg QD for Nolvadex) when serum androgen levels drop to a concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That is when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over estrogenic antagonism with respect to inducing LH production. Of course, if the fellow has been doing Clomid or Nolvadex all along the way (and I now prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, due to the possibility of negative sides from the Clomid), he is all set to simply continue it at the end (no need to switch from one to the other). BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using BOTH SERM’s at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was enough; now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of AAS (and migration of long to short esters as the cycle matures). Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the last week, as well.

I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel, or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as there is no such thing as a “bridge”. Just because you are not inhibiting the HPTA for the entire 24 hours does not mean you are not suppressing it at all. IOW, you can’t “fool” the body—it is smarter than you are.

I like Arimidex during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an AI while taking aromatisables a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground—and we don’t want that, do we?).

All this is meant to get my guys through recovery as fast as possible (the real goal, yes?). So far, all of them who have tried it have reported they are recovering faster than when they have tried other protocols."

I like to use 300IU twice a week, and it's easy to divide up from a 1500IU bottle.

[drob29]

yeah im surprised i can see them too :)

i know alot people suggest 500ius every wk or so, but i also heard of 100iu a wk would be good enough, im just trying to get others opinions

thanks

I use 500-700 iu's (1CC or a little more) every five days. I have always used HCG on cycle. I woudnt run a cycle without it.

[bailey, Fl]

thanks for the post Joe.
bailey

[crfpilot14]

I would just do 1000IU eod for a week every 4wks if you are just gonna stay on indefinitely. Works for me. You taking an AI with you cycle?

[muscle22]

letro normally, i like to stay lean and dry, keeps the gains to just muscle and not alot of bloat and fat.

[sammarbella]

letro normally, i like to stay lean and dry, keeps the gains to just muscle and not alot of bloat and fat.

Letro is TOO strong specially while bulking it will kill your lipd profile nad estrogen will go TOO low...you will lost gains from this potency.

I prefer Aromasin, not too bad for lipid profile, not too much suppresive (but strong enough)...it's even good for IGF1 levels!

[crfpilot14]

yessir, I prefer aromasin as well...but adex works great too.