need help requiring CLENBUTEROL

[eckstg]

I am thinking about trying some clenbuterol in order to lose weight feel more energetic and possibly gain some strength/muscle but all i do is pushups once daily.Is this stuff safe and effective as far as this situation most importantly as to losing weight?Also in this situation is winstrol too potent for someone just doin pushups once daily?

[cnepp]

I wouldn't even consider taking any AAS untill your on a regular workout and diet.


But to answer your ?: CLEN will not help you gain strength or muscle. It simply will help you lose weight! Might want to think about some cardio .. 20-30 min, 3 times a week. You'll notice a world of difference in no time.

[sTaTic]

I agree with cnepp but if you are dead set on using clen, it should be used like this:

start at 20mcgs/day and increase by 20 mcgs to 80-120mcg/day. Only run it for 2 weeks and stay off for 2 weeks. you can use ephedrine on the off 2 weeks then start the clen in the same manner again.

Do not use winny if you are only going to do pushups

[hooker]

I agree with cnepp but if you are dead set on using clen, it should be used like this:

start at 20mcgs/day and increase by 20 mcgs to 80-120mcg/day. Only run it for 2 weeks and stay off for 2 weeks. you can use ephedrine on the off 2 weeks then start the clen in the same manner again.

Do not use winny if you are only going to do pushups
Ephedrine works on the same (beta-2) receptor as clen. Using it in the off weeks won't let your receptors clear up at all, really.

Eph works on all the beta's and clen works on one basically, but still...using it in the off weeks won't help upgrade receptors.

[sTaTic]

dude... I think we just cant seem to agree... I use this method all the time. Its gotten me below 10% bf everytime. With little cardio. So your research doesn't seem to be so tight. I'm not flaming but you did write a book. I would be one of those guys out there that would purchase it to learn something new but you seem to want to go against all my advice. This is stuff that works great on me and everyone else that i have told this to. Oh, and i'm not the only one who writes this either.

--In My Conclusion--
I would have to say that I would not purchase that book of yours just based on what i have read here from you.

[jstforme]

quoted from a website "during the two off weeks of clen, an eca stack can be used. eca will not casue such a pronounced down regulation and desensitization of the receptors, certainly not to the extent of clen. ephedrine has a short half life in contrast to clen which results in times throughout the day where the betas will partially recover from stimulation by adrenaline and nor-adrenaline. potency is also much weaker that that of clen, as it is not a specific agonist. ephedrine is also thought to increace the conversion of endogenous/exogenous T4 to T3 through the activation of deiodinase enzymes responsible for this process. this is important as clen is known to slow the rate of T4 to T3 conversion."

[mickeymbbc]

I agree with cnepp but if you are dead set on using clen, it should be used like this:

start at 20mcgs/day and increase by 20 mcgs to 80-120mcg/day. Only run it for 2 weeks and stay off for 2 weeks. you can use ephedrine on the off 2 weeks then start the clen in the same manner again.

Do not use winny if you are only going to do pushups


Nice advice Static, you are 100% correct



-mick

[surf256]

I too use the 2 week on and off followed by eca for 2 more weeks. Has always been fine for me.

[sTaTic]

Nice advice Static, you are 100% correct



-mick


Thanks Bro

[hooker]

dude... I think we just cant seem to agree... I use this method all the time. Its gotten me below 10% bf everytime. With little cardio. So your research doesn't seem to be so tight. I'm not flaming but you did write a book. I would be one of those guys out there that would purchase it to learn something new but you seem to want to go against all my advice. This is stuff that works great on me and everyone else that i have told this to. Oh, and i'm not the only one who writes this either.

--In My Conclusion--
I would have to say that I would not purchase that book of yours just based on what i have read here from you.I don't "go against" you for any particular reason, other than I think you are very often wrong. I wrote a book, and it doesn't help me to argue with someone on the internet, just for the sake of it. It's also a very typical move to basically say "argue with me and I'll reccomend people not buy your book," which is what you essentially did in your last post. My product, luckily, is that I sell the truth, which there will always be a market for- no matter whether people disagree with me or not.

I stay below 10%bf year round also. Whats the point of that? Does it give us some kind of credentials? Also, if you don't want to buy a book that goes against what you know, then don't buy any of them. Only buy books that confirm what you already believe. You'll learn alot that way.:rolleyes:

Just because "it works for me" doesn't mean it works for any of the reasons you say it does, or that it's optimal. The switch to ephedrine likely causes additional fat loss (if it indeed does) because ephedrine slows gastric emptying, and you are more full and eat less. Not because of any additional fat burning. Here's a chart showing that ephedrine downregulates beta-2 receptors very badly. As you can see from the graph below(ephedrine (http://www.allsportsnutrition.com/) is represented by the the solid circles), it reduced Beta-2-AndrenergicReceptor (what we call, in laymens terms, the "Beta-2 receptor") levels to 32% of the control level after 24 hours. Read this again:

Ephedrine (http://www.allsportsnutrition.com/), in this study, reduces Beta-2 receptor levels to 32% of control after 24 hours.

(see the solid circles in this graph represent ephedrine (http://www.allsportsnutrition.com/))

http://molpharm.aspetjournals.org/content/vol58/issue2/images/medium/mo0800502003.gif
From:

ASPET Journals, Vol. 58, Issue 2, 421-430, August 2000
Kinetic Analysis of Agonist-Induced Down-Regulation of the 2-Adrenergic Receptor in BEAS-2B Cells Reveals High- and Low-Affinity Components
Bruce R. Williams, Roger Barber, and Richard B. Clark

Now, the typical move is for you to say "what works on paper doesn't always work in real life, blah blah blah..." or "I've gotten results the other way..."

But in reality, I've consulted with thousands of athletes, and put in thousands of hours of research into anabolics, and what I say works on paper and in the real world, even if people on the internet want to say it doesn't, for whatever reason...people who, by the way haven't consulted with thousands of athletes, haven't done the necessary research, etc...

[sTaTic]

I bet you are the type that listens to everything your doctor advises too. Go ahead and say what you really feel but I wasn't the one who said start your pct the day of your last injection. Now that was somegood advise :rolleyes:

Oh and about your book.... am I not aloud to base my opinions on the advise that the author gives in public? Look, the bottom line is this... What I do... Works (period) and everyone I have told, shown or advised of the things I do has greatly advanced in there training and useing gear. So you do the math... Looks like you forgot to interview quite a few people then. Even the mods here don't agree with your points.

And for your information, My calories stay the same whether Im on clen or ephedrine so your point that I may be eating less is false. Get it together man, how are you supposed to know what I do if you never interviewed me. So, I'll tell you what... you dont have to do anything that I say, it's your right to. Keep posting your "Copy and Pastes" after all my posts, what do I care.

Let me guess... you're the type that thinks you should always use test as a base too... :D

[mickeymbbc]

I bet you are the type that listens to everything your doctor advises too. Go ahead and say what you really feel but I wasn't the one who said start your pct the day of your last injection. Now that was somegood advise :rolleyes:

Oh and about your book.... am I not aloud to base my opinions on the advise that the author gives in public? Look, the bottom line is this... What I do... Works (period) and everyone I have told, shown or advised of the things I do has greatly advanced in there training and useing gear. So you do the math... Looks like you forgot to interview quite a few people then. Even the mods here don't agree with your points.

And for your information, My calories stay the same whether Im on clen or ephedrine so your point that I may be eating less is false. Get it together man, how are you supposed to know what I do if you never interviewed me. So, I'll tell you what... you dont have to do anything that I say, it's your right to. Keep posting your "Copy and Pastes" after all my posts, what do I care.

Let me guess... you're the type that thinks you should always use test as a base too... :D

Damn Static, you sure tell it how it is don't you :D I think thats why I have always liked you so much, STRAIGHT FORWARD ASS HELL(WITH TACT AT THAT)...lol



-mick

[BigO]

Please tell me that he didn't say what he said....Static...tell me it's not so...PLEASE TELL ME HE DIDN'T SAY...not start your PCT the day of your last injection....tell me so...brutha...AMEN....

If he did say that then he should be tarred/feather..drawn/quatered..

[BigO]

I'm not talking about consulting...you can consult anyone you want it doesn't make you an expert.....just because you've consulted Mendelson doens't mean you know a fucking thing about benching...or doing actual cycles of your own experience....all your doing is peddling other peoples hard work...all your doing is sitting on your arse...with your 10 % bf on your little 150 lb frame....Like I said before throw that fucking book away...it's non-sense...

In other words I think your a clown....I take shits that are thicker than you please...

[blodger]

Hey Guys,

Why all the hate?
This is a discussion board, we need opinions to learn.
If you have a point to make, make it in peace and discuss it that way, then maybe all of us who don't know so much will be able to learn something.

Peace

Blodger

[kcwoo]

I can say that I have been working out and reading every thing I can get my hands on. For 15yrs. Thats some proof if Iv ever seen it. I have herd both of your views but I have never seen solid proof like you have presented. I would like to read your book if you want to send it to me. I will give you my heads up on the book. I will tell you, if all your advice is what I have read or not plus my brother is a chemist I can ask him. I do see the graph and if thats true then you have done your homework.

[sTaTic]

I can say that I have been working out and reading every thing I can get my hands on. For 15yrs. Thats some proof if Iv ever seen it. I have herd both of your views but I have never seen solid proof like you have presented. I would like to read your book if you want to send it to me. I will give you my heads up on the book. I will tell you, if all your advice is what I have read or not plus my brother is a chemist I can ask him. I do see the graph and if thats true then you have done your homework.


So what you're saying is that I'm lieing to myself? That's funny shit right there! Doctors also have said in the past that steroids dont build muscles and even produced charts to try and prove it. Do you believe that too?

Go ahead and dont use clen and ephedrine to get cut up and run your pct on the day of your last injection. I'll be cut up with a smile and you'll be looking at plump man with a broken wallet...

No disrespect to you but I cant stand it when people listen to cut and paste cowboys. You know he didnt make that chart himself with his protracter.. right? but seriously, i would like to hear your review. After, try clen and ephedrine on you next cut cycle and give me your review on that. ;)

[hooker]

Awesome. I proved you wrong, and you flamed me. Good job. When studies show you're wrong, you immediately say "yeah, studies aren't always right" ...and I bet if someone is more cut than you, it's genetics, if they're stronger, it's because they use more gear..

In other words, you always have an excuse. And then you resort to flaming and name calling.

[hooker]

Please tell me that he didn't say what he said....Static...tell me it's not so...PLEASE TELL ME HE DIDN'T SAY...not start your PCT the day of your last injection....tell me so...brutha...AMEN....

If he did say that then he should be tarred/feather..drawn/quatered..
Why don't you read what I wrote? Instead of asking people? Because I didn't
say that about PCT...but at least you don't let the facts get in the way of your posts.

From my pct article:

[start PCT] a week after your last shot
I love it. You don't even read what I wrote before you criticize it.

[sTaTic]

dude... how can you tell me i am wrong when it clearly works. If you show me on paper that the color orange is actually red, I dont give a shit. its still orange to me. So if your research really works then show us the product. Lets see pictures of you. and not little ones with you looking like a bum next to guys in suits. not ones with you in baggy tshirts or showing your sweaty dome. Put up or shut up. Lets see it and list what you did to get those results. tell me that you started your pct on your last inj and tell me how long you ran it for. What kind of cutter you used and everything else that you do to get yourself at a bf% of less than 10% all year around. We all want to see it bro.

[sTaTic]

I love it. You don't even read what I wrote before you criticize it.


Im going by what you posted... reread what you post before you Submit Reply. I see all your edits LMAO!!!

[sTaTic]

This is pointless... good luck with your book man... It's only expected for you to try and defend your investment... we all understand :rolleyes:

[sTaTic]

one last thing because you irritate the shit outa me. here's a quote from hooker:

What I mean is why not start PCT the day you end your cycle? Why wait for the steroids to "clear" your system?

Need I say more :confused:

[kcwoo]

I never once said I used ephidrine on my off weeks from clen. I was just saying I have read both views on what you two are fighting about. I dont get on here to read two people fighting about something they both beleive. If you really know what you are talking about then you know like every one else. Drugs work different on people. Iv seen people iv trained with get ripped on Dbol so figure that one out. Does that sound like what you have read about. I dont get that result or know too many people that do. But I saw it with my own eyes. I also saw another grow like hell on a just winny cycle thats it and im not talking a few pounds. He gained like 15 pounds with no water at all. So every one is differant. I am not saying either one of you are wrong I am just saying it can happen. Would I try it thats another story. But people come on here to get differant views something that works for you might not work for someone else. I never had to run any PCT after a cycle until I got into my 30s so how do you figure that. Like I said before if he wants to send me his book for free I will read it and tell you what I think. I am open to any advice.

[sTaTic]

I only post what my experience is and when and only when someone tells me i'm wrong, I will argue my point. I do know everyone reacts differently and i have seen people get ripped on dbol but they were taking nolvadex along with it ;)

I dont see you getting the book for free though
:D

[Alin]

I am thinking about trying some clenbuterol in order to lose weight feel more energetic and possibly gain some strength/muscle but all i do is pushups once daily.Is this stuff safe and effective as far as this situation most importantly as to losing weight?Also in this situation is winstrol too potent for someone just doin pushups once daily?


I wouldnt take anything unless I was doing a serious workout, not just pushups.

[mickeymbbc]

I wouldnt take anything unless I was doing a serious workout, not just pushups.


THAT ABOUT SUMS IT ALL UP :)



-MICK