Proviron?

[bastian]

I read this is good shit. does anyone know if you have to take it when you start your cycle or if you can start in the middle of it?

[sTaTic]

It's great stuff. You can start taking it at the beginning of your cycle. I prefer Masteron over proviron but they are very similar.

[jstforme]

never tried masteron but yeah proviron is said to be "poor mans masteron" i like it a lot, its at the top of my list for antis.

[jtat326]

And beyond it's anti properties it is methylated not alkylated. Safe for the liver.

[fr8lnr01]

Methylation in chemistry
The term methylation in organic chemistry refers to the alkylation process used to describe the delivery of a CH3 group.

Not that an injectible would be methylated, anyway, right?

[Danesh]

guys the differences is that mesterolone is 5alpha methyltestosterone, not c17!! As such it doesnt harm the liver (but is strikingly different from methyltest).

by alkylation you mean addition to c17 not the 5alpha
:D:D

[0808sa]

[edit] Methylation in chemistry
The term methylation in organic chemistry refers to the alkylation process used to describe the delivery of a CH3 group. This is commonly performed using electrophilic methyl sources - iodomethane, dimethyl sulfate, dimethyl carbonate, or less commonly with the more powerful (and more dangerous) methylating reagents of methyl triflate or methyl fluorosulfonate (magic methyl), which all react via SN2 nucleophilic substitution. For example a carboxylate may be methylated pm pxygen to give a methyl ester, an alkoxide salt RO− may be likewise methylated to give an ether, ROCH3, or a ketone enolate may be methylated on carbon to produce a new ketone.



Alternatively, the methylation may involve use of nucleophilic methyl compounds such as methyllithium (CH3Li) or Grignard reagents (CH3MgX). For example, CH3Li will methylate acetone, adding across the carbonyl (C=O) to give the lithium alkoxide of tert-butanol:

I've taken a year in General chem a yr. in organic chem and a yr. biochem. and I still have no idea what you are talking about. That's a $100k and counting education for ya....lol

[fr8lnr01]

No, I read somewhere that methylation was the adding of an alkyloid, but him saying one was methylated and on was alkylated puzzled me!?! I'm f'n confused. I should have finished college.. loser!

[0808sa]

Here are 2 profiles I pulled from the net that might clarify the difference.

Proviron

Proviron is a regestrated trade mark of Scherling A/G Germany & Schering Mexicanna...Proviron/mesterolone Oral 25 mg Tablets are a multi-purpose Androgenic steroid with anabolic properties designed to be given to men in the early and medopausal stages of life. This steroid is most unique in the world because it is a non-17 Alpha Oral Androgen replacement for males. Provides health, added sex drive, the feeling of well being, vigor and sone qualties of youth. It may be taken over long periods of time. It does not aromatize...in fact bodybuilders take this in place of Novadex because Provirion is an Estrogen Antaginist. It is completly Syngerstic with all other steroids. Though as the best steroids goes not arroved by FDA but Schering world wide sales don´t seem to suffer. Proviron is sold in 37 Countries world wide. Sense it unique formula does not shut down the male own hormone production as with the highly androgenic T-Cyponiate and spermogenis is added to not subtracted from...Proviron could medically help 20 to 30 million males who experience male-medopause.

Masteron

Masteron, or drostanolone propionate, is a popular steroid among competitive bodybuilders. It is commonly used in contest preparation for many reasons. To begin with, drostanolone propionate is a derivative of DHT(dihydrotestosterone), and therefore, it will not aromatize into estrogen. Competing bodybuilders find this extremely beneficial because aromatization typically causes excess water retention which may give the muscles a smooth appearance. Another advantage of Masteron is its strong androgenic component. The androgenic effect of this steroid can cause a noticeable improvement in muscle density and hardness which can help the bodybuilder obtain the "ripped" look if his bodyfat percentage is low enough. The androgenic effect is also crucial because it helps to provide sufficent "kick" or "drive" for intense training when an athlete has lowered his caloric intake for contest preparation. Masteron can also be used successfully by bodybuilders preparing for a drug-tested show. The substance drostanolone propionate is fast acting and quickly broken down. The athlete can therefore use Masteron up to about ten days before a drug test. The average dosage of Masteron is 100 mg injected every other day. It is best to inject Masteron every 2-3 days because it has a short duration of effect. Popular steroids stacked with Masteron include Parabolan(trenbolone hexahydrobencylcarbonate), Winstrol(stanozolol), and oxandrolone. Athletes rarely experience any side effects with this steroid. Masteron is not hepatoxic, and gynecomastia should not be a concern since it does not convert into estrogen. Some possible side effects include acne, accelerated hair loss, and increased aggression. The main disadvantage of Masteron is its very poor availability on the black market and its high price. Masteron from Belgium comes in a box of two ampoules. Each 2 ml amp will contain 100 mg of drostanolone propionate. One of these boxes containing two amps can cost well over $50 on the black market(Much less if you use stealth from Alin).

[Alin]

I read this is good shit. does anyone know if you have to take it when you start your cycle or if you can start in the middle of it?

always best IMO to run at the begining but proviron can be added anytime I guess. great for libido and freeing up bound testosterone,,,gives body nice hardness. 75-100mg daily works for me.

[jtat326]

What I was trying to say was that it isn't a 17aa oral, yet it's able to survive the first pass through the liver with out affecting liver function. I guess I worded it f'ed up. But at least my screw up got some good information and interesting debate going. (Just trying to save face with that last one)