2nd Cycle question

[Brahma4]

I am looking at doing my 2nd cycle using the following. However my mate is doin his first cycle and I am not sure if I should use Tren or Deca.

Cycle: Test Enanth 750/wk
Tren Ace 75/eod or deca 400/wk

Nolva for PCT.

Currently sitting at 87kg 20% BF.

Any feedback appreciated.

[arnold jr]

I am looking at doing my 2nd cycle using the following. However my mate is doin his first cycle and I am not sure if I should use Tren or Deca.

Cycle: Test Enanth 750/wk
Tren Ace 75/eod or deca 400/wk

Nolva for PCT.

Currently sitting at 87kg 20% BF.

Any feedback appreciated.
Arnold jr's recommendations:

wk 1-12 test-e 750mg/wk
wk 1-12 deca 400mg/wk
wk 13-15 prop 750mg/wk
wk 1-15 arimidex 1mg eod

or

wk 1-12 sust 750mg/wk
wk 1-6 winny 50mg ed
wk 7-12 tren 75mg eod
wk 13-15 prop 750mg/wk

[mickeymbbc]

I am looking at doing my 2nd cycle using the following. However my mate is doin his first cycle and I am not sure if I should use Tren or Deca.

Cycle: Test Enanth 750/wk
Tren Ace 75/eod or deca 400/wk

Nolva for PCT.

Currently sitting at 87kg 20% BF.

Any feedback appreciated.

Hey brutha this is only your second cycle, there is no need for tren yet, along with them high doses. Something simple along with a good diet will give you just as good results.


-mick

[mickeymbbc]

Arnold jr's recommendations:

wk 1-12 test-e 750mg/wk
wk 1-12 deca 400mg/wk
wk 13-15 prop 750mg/wk
wk 1-15 arimidex 1mg eod

or

wk 1-12 sust 750mg/wk
wk 1-6 winny 50mg ed
wk 7-12 tren 75mg eod
wk 13-15 prop 750mg/wk

arnold jr: I know that you mean no harm by your suggestions, but please be careful of the heavy doses that you suggest(THIS IS ONLY HIS SECOND CYCLE). These people are just new to the game, and I am here to help keep them safe. I do not care to have a debate over this, I just need it to stop(no offence) GIVE LIGHTER RECOMMENDATIONS........MORE DOESN'T MEAN BETTER!@#

Thank you,


-mick

[AnabolicAndre]

Hey brahma I'd try to get that bf down some brotha before you start cycling again. If you wanna post your diet maybe we could help you tweak a bit as needed.

[mickeymbbc]

Hey brahma I'd try to get that bf down some brotha before you start cycling again. If you wanna post your diet maybe we could help you tweak a bit as needed.


Good note there AnabolicAndre, I didn't see that. He needs to get his bodyfat down atleast 15% or below to see any good gains.



-mick

[Brahma4]

thanks for the feed back
Does anyone have an opinion on the IP bulk Test Prop/susp.
In my cycle i would have prefered using prop but you cannot get in bulk.

[arnold jr]

arnold jr: I know that you mean no harm by your suggestions, but please be careful of the heavy doses that you suggest(THIS IS ONLY HIS SECOND CYCLE). These people are just new to the game, and I am here to help keep them safe. I do not care to have a debate over this, I just need it to stop(no offence) GIVE LIGHTER RECOMMENDATIONS........MORE DOESN'T MEAN BETTER!@#

Thank you,


-mick

I agree that he doesn't need as high of a dose as I put in his cycle. My advice to him was based strictly on the numbers he had already planned on running, I just took that and rearranged it as what I thought would be best. I know that a lot of guys get a certain dosage stuck in their minds and are hell bent on running it no matter what you tell them, so I figure just give them the best layout with what they already are going to do anyway, regardless of what you tell them. But you are definitely right, he could get by and should go with lower doses, if he is a smart guy and listens to advice with an open mind, hopefully he will do just that.

[BigO]

I think the doses should be more like this....but just stay on a little longer....

test e or sustanon....500 mg's e/w
deca......300 mg's e/w
Perhaps 25-50 mcg's of cytomel...

or do a cutting cycle first...loose to bf maintain and then do a bulker.....That b/f will catch up with you if you don't address it some how in your cycle whether it be cardio,diet or supplements....

Tren for a 2nd cycle should not even be considered.....Winny would be a much safer alternative.....

Good Luck.....

[Milky87]

wk 1-13: test E at 500mg
wk 1-12: deca at 300 - 400mg
wk 13 & 14: winni or tbol at 50mg
wk 15-18: nolva at 40,40,20,20

That should be more than enough