4th Cycle What do you think??

[bigguy]

Hey Guys just put together my 4th cycle and wanted some feedback....

weeks 1 - 6 Dianobol 50mg per day
weeks 1 - 10 sustanon 500mg per week
weeks 1 - 10 Deca 400mg per week
weeks 10 - 16 winstrol 50mg e.o.d

Hcg, clomid and nolva for PCT. I wanted to do Test and EQ instead of Deca and sus but next time perhaps. I have changed my diet to all clean meals, (7 per day) totalling 5500 calories. I am currently 210 lbs at about 12% b.f and I am looking to be left with a good solid 10lbs weight gain after the cycle has finished. I train 5 days a week but also train in Muay Thai boxing 2 a week for and hour and a half. Will this effect my gains or If I'm eating enough protein and calories will I be ok?

Sorry for the many questions but as I have said before not many iron freaks where I live and good advice is always welcome . Cheers :)

[jstforme]

you say you wanted to do Test and Eq instead of this. why dont you then? you need to bump sustanon up to 750.

[mickeymbbc]

Hey Guys just put together my 4th cycle and wanted some feedback....

weeks 1 - 6 Dianobol 50mg per day
weeks 1 - 10 sustanon 500mg per week
weeks 1 - 10 Deca 400mg per week
weeks 10 - 16 winstrol 50mg e.o.d

Hcg, clomid and nolva for PCT. I wanted to do Test and EQ instead of Deca and sus but next time perhaps. I have changed my diet to all clean meals, (7 per day) totalling 5500 calories. I am currently 210 lbs at about 12% b.f and I am looking to be left with a good solid 10lbs weight gain after the cycle has finished. I train 5 days a week but also train in Muay Thai boxing 2 a week for and hour and a half. Will this effect my gains or If I'm eating enough protein and calories will I be ok?

Sorry for the many questions but as I have said before not many iron freaks where I live and good advice is always welcome . Cheers :)

What do you think about this brutha.

Wks 1-10 600mg Test Cyp per week (or 500mg of sust)
Wks 1-10 400mg Deca per week
Wks 1-4 50mg Dbol ed
Wks 5-10 50mg Winny ed
Wks 1-10 .5mg Arimidex eod (you might be able to drop the Arimidex once you start the Winny. Winny has some pretty good anti-e qualities)

PCT starts Weeks 13

Wk 13 - 40mg nolva ed / 3000mg Trib ed
Wk 14 - 30mg nolva ed / 3000mg Trib ed
Wk 15 - 20mg nolva ed / 3000mg Trib ed


PS....HCG is used to rectify your shruken boys(if indeed is needed) not for PCT. In addition, if you eat correctly you will put on 20-30 pounds(not 10)

Remember, do not fix what isn't broke. If 500mg of sust has worked in the past keep doing it. You will know when its time to move up!! ONLY YOU..

-MICK

[apfmonster]

[QUOTE=apfmonster]d-bol 1 -4
test 2-12
decca 2-12
winy 13-18 :cool:

[jstforme]

[QUOTE=apfmonster]d-bol 1 -4
test 2-12
decca 2-12
winy 13-18 :cool:

what is your reasoning behind starting test and deca on week 2?

[arnold jr]

Hey Guys just put together my 4th cycle and wanted some feedback....

weeks 1 - 6 Dianobol 50mg per day
weeks 1 - 10 sustanon 500mg per week
weeks 1 - 10 Deca 400mg per week
weeks 10 - 16 winstrol 50mg e.o.d

Hcg, clomid and nolva for PCT. I wanted to do Test and EQ instead of Deca and sus but next time perhaps. I have changed my diet to all clean meals, (7 per day) totalling 5500 calories. I am currently 210 lbs at about 12% b.f and I am looking to be left with a good solid 10lbs weight gain after the cycle has finished. I train 5 days a week but also train in Muay Thai boxing 2 a week for and hour and a half. Will this effect my gains or If I'm eating enough protein and calories will I be ok?

Sorry for the many questions but as I have said before not many iron freaks where I live and good advice is always welcome . Cheers :)

Arnold jr's recommendations:

wk 1-6 dbol 50mg ed
wk 1-8 deca 400mg/wk
wk 1-9 sust 750mg/wk
wk 10-12 prop 750mg/wk
wk 7-12 winny 50mg eod
wk 1-12 arimidex 1mg eod

Reason for changes:

1. I upped the sust dosage because in my own personal experience running deca and test doses real close is bad for business, at least it is for me. Everyone is different, and some guys on here do fine running the doses this close, but I'm not one of them.

2. Switch to prop the last 3wks to allow body to prepare for PCT. I've already posted this recommendation a number of times on this board. If you don't switch to prop start PCT 3wks after last injection, if you do go prop, start PCT immediately...with that you should see the advantage of changing to prop at the end.

3. Arimidex or some other type of inhibitor is always a good idea when running deca.

4. Made the cycle 12wks, simply because I like round even cycles, 3months is a more solid cycle in my opinion and it gives you a bit more time to take advantage of everything.


Last 2 things:

You said you wanted to do test instead of sust. You do realize sust is test don't you?

Second, you mentioned you wanted EQ instead of deca. In my opinion deca is the right choice for your cycle, it is much stronger, and more suitable for putting on size. If the deca sides are what you are worried about, don't be, there are measures to take to help with them, i.e. adding arimidex to cycle. I will never understand why so many people are so scared of deca and would choose EQ over it. Deca fear is unfounded and misplaced, the people who perpetuate the fear are the retards who have no clue as to how to use it.

[apfmonster]

what is your reasoning behind starting test and deca on week 2?

OK this what i do to make my cycle last longer.
week 1 to 4 d-bol. week two you should be feeling the dbol,that is when you start the test an decca, the test and decca should kick in by week four,
you can go 5 weeks on dbol.
i do it to make last longer. i dont like dbol but this is what i used to do. ;)

[Tyrone]

Don't forget everyone. He is trainning Muay Thai. This will mean he will not be able to get as big as some desire. You can't even eat as much on those days that you train because it is like doing super endurance. You just keep going and there isn't hardly any rest. This prepares you for the quickness of a fight. You should definatly be able to put on 10lbs. of just muscle if your diet is cool like you say.

[bigguy]

wow thanks loads of feedback in 24 hours. The reason I am not taking Eq or Test is because it all got fucked up in the order and the EQ was meant to be 200mg/ml but I got 50mg/ml so I would have had to spend around £300 on EQ alone (i'm dedicated but I ain't rich). I know I should have got to alin's site but a friend offered me delivery service (long story).

I have decided to knock the Muay Thai on the head for a while because
a) I am far from the size i am aiming for and as was said hard to eat
b) I have noticed that when training and wearing pads to take kicks and hits (pads are worn on forearm) one in every 6 or 7 blows misses and bruises my arms. (I sound like a pussy I know) but the next day my grip is no good and I notice a huge difference in te weights I can lift because I am tensing bruised tissue and can't shift the weight. So Muay thai can wait.

One last question????? I know arimidex is an inhibitor but I haven't come across any locally. Will 10mg ed of nolva do the same thing??

Thanks again Big - G

[jstforme]

yes and no, yes they are both anti's but they work in different ways. put simply, arimidex stops estrogen from even being formed in the body, nolvadex doesnt stop it from being made, it is an estrogen receptor antagonist, taking up and "blocking" the estrogen receptor. nolvadex works very well, especially if your gyno prone. i think 10mg will be suffiecient, if your trying to limit estrogen.

[arnold jr]

The reason I am not taking Eq or Test is



Thanks again Big - G
Not trying to nit pick you to death, but you have now said 2x that you are not taking any test with this cycle, but you are taking sust???

Again, you do realize that sust is test don't you? It is a mixture of 4 different test, this mixture is based on timing, because it is composed of test comprised of various ester lengths.

Ingreidiants:Testosterone propionate 30mg, Testosterone phenylpropionate 60 mg, Testosterone isocaproate 60 mg, Testosterone decanoate 100 mg

[jstforme]

OK this what i do to make my cycle last longer.
week 1 to 4 d-bol. week two you should be feeling the dbol,that is when you start the test an decca, the test and decca should kick in by week four,
you can go 5 weeks on dbol.
i do it to make last longer. i dont like dbol but this is what i used to do. ;)

your missing the reasoning behind using dbol to kickstart cycle. number 1 is dbol has a very short half life, it acts almost instantaneously compared to injectables, you should be feeling dianabol before week 2. it takes more along the lines of 3 weeks for test to kick in, not 2. so by the time your done with dbol on week 4 your injectables havent even fully kicked in yet because its only been 2 weeks since start of injections. so that whole kickstart with dbol wasnt worth it. if you want to make your cycle last longer dont take short cuts, just simply spend a little more money, for another week or 2.

[bigguy]

yes I did realise sus is a mixture of test's. The reason I wanted to do Test Cyp on its own was purely an experiment. Every cycle I have done so far has involved sus. So I thought it was time to try something different.
But couldnt get hold of so next time.....

never had a problem with sus just wanted to try something different!!!!!
Cheers for all advice............

[apfmonster]

your missing the reasoning behind using dbol to kickstart cycle. number 1 is dbol has a very short half life, it acts almost instantaneously compared to injectables, you should be feeling dianabol before week 2. it takes more along the lines of 3 weeks for test to kick in, not 2. so by the time your done with dbol on week 4 your injectables havent even fully kicked in yet because its only been 2 weeks since start of injections. so that whole kickstart with dbol wasnt worth it. if you want to make your cycle last longer dont take short cuts, just simply spend a little more money, for another week or 2.

I agree with you bro, but he is using sost. wich has prop in it as you know.
me, i am a cheap ass mofo :D i only use test, no decca, no winy, no eq, i get good result with test 400mg per week.
I am at 240,height 5, 10 if anit broke dont fix it.
i bench 585 today like nothig with a shirt, 2nd time using a bench shirt i will go for 600 next time, 455 with out the shirt,600 deadlift,600 squat, but i agree with you 100%, that would i do if i was him.
thats what we are here for to tell what works for you and me.
and i have alot a respect for you bro looks like you know what are you doing,
but i do it this way and yea i may be wrong who knows? :cool:

[Dubb]

i like single ester test like cyp or enth (easier to stabalize blood levels) and i would step on/off with prop as stated above.. i dont feel you will get much outta the prop i the sust cuz you are only gonna injecting 250mg 2x a wk & prop is made to inject EOD dont get me wrong it will still work fine

[BigO]

1-4 weeks of d-bol is not long enough do get anything from it..IMO..drol that's a different subject.....you could get away with smaller doses of d-bol but slightly longer in duration....for instance 8-10 weeks but 10-20 mg's e/d will work much better and then switch to a solidifier after the d-bol....since it has a very short life...
arimidex/proviron are the best anti's around...nolva tends to dry out the joints a little to much for me....The last time I did d-bol and believe me it's the last time I started getting gyno in week 5 jumped on emergency nolva...In a short while I noticed the nips didn't bother me but my elbows and knees were screaming....it was the nolva drying up the much needed estrogen that your body absolutely needs for joint and tendon lubrication....you do need estrogen but not more than your body can use.....
some guys like clomid/nolva at the end as their PCT...It's understandable and right fully so...
Prop should be used e/d so does suspension....your cyp & enan.1 e/w...for me that's an easy decision....Sus has to many variables for me...short/long medium....trying to sustain a certain level is very hard to do with sus...unless you've had a lot of experience with it.....make it simple go with test e or c but keep it in the 500-750 range you'll be fine..

Good Luck!

[Kaiser]

Brings up what I look at as a valid question: If people are going to do Deca Durabolin, with Test why not use normal Durabolin in the beginning instead of DBol as a kickoff? This would be my logical choice, but I could be wrong. I personally wait it out until the test kicks in.

[11rdc11]

Never thought of that Kaiser, it seems like a good idea.

[Kaiser]

Never thought of that Kaiser, it seems like a good idea.

To me it sounds logical. I mean then you are only working with 2 compounds Nandrolone and Test. I would imagine one Nandrolone will mesh with the other just perfect, because in the end, the only difference is one has a preservative and the other doesn't, but I may be wrong. Anyone else have any experience in this area?

[Beetlejuice]

The problem with decca is the length of time that shit shows up. I stopped decca use altogether in Preperation for next year. 18 months is a long ass time for shit to pop up in your urine bro......

Brings up what I look at as a valid question: If people are going to do Deca Durabolin, with Test why not use normal Durabolin in the beginning instead of DBol as a kickoff? This would be my logical choice, but I could be wrong. I personally wait it out until the test kicks in.

[Kaiser]

The problem with decca is the length of time that shit shows up. I stopped decca use altogether in Preperation for next year. 18 months is a long ass time for shit to pop up in your urine bro......


You havent followed the thread. He was going to take Deca no matter what. this would just mean that he would't have to use DBol. You are replying out of context.

[Beetlejuice]

my bad was a little tired when I posted that :p

You havent followed the thread. He was going to take Deca no matter what. this would just mean that he would't have to use DBol. You are replying out of context.

[Kaiser]

my bad was a little tired when I posted that :p

Not a problem Bro. I do that myself sometimes...