Ideas For NO Test Cycle!?!?!?

[Illuminati02]

Hey guys whats up, heres my situation my stats are 21 150lbs maybe a lil more not sure about bf im normal, been working out for 4-5 yrs now on and off. Anyway I started doin test e and got sick and sore, I know this is sometimes normal but I really think my body just doesnt react well with the test. because i tried tren a. and got really sick from it. this has nothing to do with my eating paterns either if your wondering because eating wise im good.

Now I know everyone says "Put Test in your cycle I always do" etc. but I just dont think i am ready to mess around with test physically. So im discontinuing my use of it.

Instead of Test i'm thinking of possibly doing Deca 300-400mgs a week (i say 300 because i understand you should do 2mgs per lb which would mean someone weighing in at 150lb would be looking to do 300mgs a week) maybe 300 for the first week so my body gets used to it then kick it up to 400 for the remainder.
And along with the Deca Maybe Dbol 30-40mgs a week or possibly EQ from what I am hearing at 150mgs week?

Anyway what im asking is do you think this sounds good. Because of the trouble with the test i wouldn't like to include it. Everyone reacts differently to AAS i think its just how my body reacts to the test so im trying to be as safe as possible. So If anyone can give me any input on what they think would be good to take i would appreciate all your input? I dont care if i dont get RIDICULOUS results from it because there's no Test in the cycle because either way if i gain strength and weight I am satisfied.

Ive done pleanty of research so I'm just asking what you guys think and wanted to get some professional opinions.

P.S. If your going to answer i think you should use test dont put that shit on this thread because thats all i hear but physically my body doesnt get along with it.

[Illuminati02]

And I have all the proper PCT

[ironworker184]

You can do whatever you want..I remember my first cycle of test I was clueless. My first inj. I did one full cc. Leg swole almost double in size fever and the whole works. Not until I finally got some sound advice did I learn that even 1cc was too much to start out with. When I droped it down to a quarter cc to start out with and slowly work up I never had another problem. As far as the deca only cycle, I have done it myself, but knowing what I do today I wouldn't do it again. If you're new to this game you would probably see fairly substansial gains. Just make sure you have extra nolva on hand and keep a close eye out for deca dick and puffy nipples.Good luck:)

[Illuminati02]

You can do whatever you want..I remember my first cycle of test I was clueless. My first inj. I did one full cc. Leg swole almost double in size fever and the whole works. Not until I finally got some sound advice did I learn that even 1cc was too much to start out with. When I droped it down to a quarter cc to start out with and slowly work up I never had another problem. As far as the deca only cycle, I have done it myself, but knowing what I do today I wouldn't do it again. If you're new to this game you would probably see fairly substansial gains. Just make sure you have extra nolva on hand and keep a close eye out for deca dick and puffy nipples.Good luck:)

ironfreak thanks for the advice thats some of the best stuff i could have heard i think. because the symtpoms you were talking about with the test is exactly what happened to me so. I just want to steer clear and go with deca and eq i think. Im aware of the supposed deca dick and all that I will watch out for it. I think i wont have a problem hopefully.

Ironfreak I'd like to hear more about your test 1cc into your leg incident if your care to share PM me. but thatnks for the input. I'd like to hear what some other people have to say and analyze the data.

[fr8lnr01]

Hey guys whats up, heres my situation my stats are 21 150lbs maybe a lil more not sure about bf im normal, been working out for 4-5 yrs now on and off. Anyway I started doin test e and got sick and sore, I know this is sometimes normal but I really think my body just doesnt react well with the test. because i tried tren a. and got really sick from it. this has nothing to do with my eating paterns either if your wondering because eating wise im good

I am thinking that was a type-o. Trenbolone and testosterone are two different products.

You do not have to do test with anything. Try everything alone. I personally have had my best experiences with solitary products and have yet get sexual dysfunction. Allot of times they recomend test because AAS supresses your natural production. Go have fun, focker!

[Illuminati02]

Hey guys whats up, heres my situation my stats are 21 150lbs maybe a lil more not sure about bf im normal, been working out for 4-5 yrs now on and off. Anyway I started doin test e and got sick and sore, I know this is sometimes normal but I really think my body just doesnt react well with the test. because i tried tren a. and got really sick from it. this has nothing to do with my eating paterns either if your wondering because eating wise im good

I am thinking that was a type-o. Trenbolone and testosterone are two different products.

You do not have to do test with anything. Try everything alone. I personally have had my best experiences with solitary products and have yet get sexual dysfunction. Allot of times they recomend test because AAS supresses your natural production. Go have fun, focker!

LOL no it wasnt a type-o. Before i really knew anything me and a buddy of mine tried tren a for a week and i felt the same symptoms as the test so i quite. I know it was a foolish and unwise mistake to do it with out reading much but then again you only learn from mistakes or something like that. and the test is what i did as of recent is what i meant.

But thanks for the input my man. as always its appreciated!

[Illuminati02]

Anyone else got any input?

[Kaiser]

You do not have to do test with anything. Try everything alone. I personally have had my best experiences with solitary products and have yet get sexual dysfunction. Allot of times they recomend test because AAS supresses your natural production. Go have fun, focker!


This is definitely not a good idea fr8. We don't promote that here as it causes most people HPTA recovery problems. We always lay a layer of testosterone before anything else.

[bod1ggity]

I agree with Kais on this one... there is only 2 cycles that I can think of that I would run without Test and they are supplimented with masteron and proviron and for very advanced users... test is the best backbone for anyone beginning AAS or stacking anything...

I would recommend starting a smaller dose of test... say 250mg/wk of test e.

[Illuminati02]

I agree with Kais on this one... there is only 2 cycles that I can think of that I would run without Test and they are supplimented with masteron and proviron and for very advanced users... test is the best backbone for anyone beginning AAS or stacking anything...

I would recommend starting a smaller dose of test... say 250mg/wk of test e.

yea 250 is where i was on my first shot. so i think im just gonna do some deca and eq. and possibly add in some masteron at the end if i feel like it.

[bod1ggity]

yea 250 is where i was on my first shot. so i think im just gonna do some deca and eq. and possibly add in some masteron at the end if i feel like it.
Man your not makeing any sense... why would you stack Decca and EQ? Im sorry if this sounds insulting, but that is just plain retarded... and if you cant handle test why are you even thinking about messing around with masteron... thats basically pure DHT

This is pulled from http://www.steroid.com/Masteron.php

being a DHT derivative means that it can have certain undesirable sides as well (acne, hairloss, prostate enlargement, etc& you may want to consider using Finasteride with this drug).

Im sorry man but your not makeing any sense with these ideas your popping up with

[Illuminati02]

Because theres a thread on here where someone said they got amazing results and rock hard chizzled results from it. And even Alin butted in and said that each had a distinked features in which the others lacked. so thats why i was considering it. IDK about the masteron though i was just throwing the idea out there to hear what people say. about it in that cycle. if not mast then possibly some winni for the last couple of weeks

[Otman]

my first cycle ever when I was dumb, thought that side affects affected everyone else but not me, was 15mg D-bol and tribulus ter. plus clomid pct to help keep t-levels up.

The results: I did make some nice size gains and people were impressed. I did keep most of it, but even 15mg of dbol can supress natural test. Boy, was I ever tired, napping--and having somewhat of "German" work ethic this filled me great shame. :) Did get kinda fat--tiredness led to sloppy diet.

In sum, a test base is the way to go. You feel great. i mean if you can already tolerate needles you might as well do it right. Just my thoughts.

[Illuminati02]

my first cycle ever when I was dumb, thought that side affects affected everyone else but not me, was 15mg D-bol and tribulus ter. plus clomid pct to help keep t-levels up.

The results: I did make some nice size gains and people were impressed. I did keep most of it, but even 15mg of dbol can supress natural test. Boy, was I ever tired, napping--and having somewhat of "German" work ethic this filled me great shame. :) Did get kinda fat--tiredness led to sloppy diet.

In sum, a test base is the way to go. You feel great. i mean if you can already tolerate needles you might as well do it right. Just my thoughts.

Interesting Otman I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for the input. as always its appreciated.

[Illuminati02]

has anyone had any experience doing deca, masteron, eq, and others solo?

[tatteredxangelx]

1)I don't understand why one wouldn't run test with everything. It may be ok to run other thiungs solo, but test feels fuckin great!
2) If I was a female, I would run compounds such as anavar, winny and primo w/o test, but not for a male
3) Bod1 ,from what I understand EQ and DEca are similar, but they have a very synergetic effect on one another. I have never run EQ, but got 3 bottles for my next cycle in 14 weeks, but from what I read and understand. Deca cames are more sudden, while EQ gains are slow and steady and can carry on up to 16 weeks as opposed to 10-12 like most AAs.

[Illuminati02]

thanks for the input dude

[zznwhs]

You can do whatever you want..I remember my first cycle of test I was clueless. My first inj. I did one full cc. Leg swole almost double in size fever and the whole works. Not until I finally got some sound advice did I learn that even 1cc was too much to start out with. When I droped it down to a quarter cc to start out with and slowly work up I never had another problem. As far as the deca only cycle, I have done it myself, but knowing what I do today I wouldn't do it again. If you're new to this game you would probably see fairly substansial gains. Just make sure you have extra nolva on hand and keep a close eye out for deca dick and puffy nipples.Good luck:)

Just a reminder so as not to confuse newbies....Nolva won't do any good for gyno that is caused by Deca.......Deca gyno is progesterone related and Nolva will do nothing to allieviate the gyno symptoms.

[Illuminati02]

nice input dude. anyone else got any?

[tatteredxangelx]

fuck nolva ..... use letro .... no estrogen = no tits + no fat.

[malibu350]

fuck nolva ..... use letro .... no estrogen = no tits + no fat.

Or just go with Arimidex...don't have to worry about any water or the other nasties from estrogen...just my .02 on that one


as for the other...of course I would most everyone on this board start out with good ole' test E...unless of course they didn't feel like they could inject themselves...then they would start out with a tab like d-bol etc....on that note I know a lot of people that have done just a deca-dbol cycle and received awesome gains from it....I'm assuming that you were talking about taking 30-40mg of dbol a day not per week correct? dbol is something you need to take daily to maintain steady blood levels. I would start at no more than 20-30mg a day taken every 12 or 8 hours. As for the Deca that dose sounds good to start out with.

Unless you are taking an anti-e you will get a lot of water weight from the d-bol. and if you are looking to get "chiseled" results it doesn't matter what AAS you are taking...it's about what you put in your mouth...meaning your diet....if you it like a fat pig day in and day out that's is the result that you are going to get...but if you are looking to just lay on some slabs of muscle then of course the occasional cheeseburger isn't going to kill you...again clean diet=clean gains

hope this helps

[juced_porkchop]

liquidex "Arimidex" so u still have a slight bit of estrogen cuz non at all isnt good ether letro a lil bit harsher.. pluse vit b6 200-300 a day to help prevent deca gyno and 400-600mg a day to help get rid of it .. pluse liquidex "or if u must" letro to help cut the est down wich may help

[Illuminati02]

Or just go with Arimidex...don't have to worry about any water or the other nasties from estrogen...just my .02 on that one


as for the other...of course I would most everyone on this board start out with good ole' test E...unless of course they didn't feel like they could inject themselves...then they would start out with a tab like d-bol etc....on that note I know a lot of people that have done just a deca-dbol cycle and received awesome gains from it....I'm assuming that you were talking about taking 30-40mg of dbol a day not per week correct? dbol is something you need to take daily to maintain steady blood levels. I would start at no more than 20-30mg a day taken every 12 or 8 hours. As for the Deca that dose sounds good to start out with.

Unless you are taking an anti-e you will get a lot of water weight from the d-bol. and if you are looking to get "chiseled" results it doesn't matter what AAS you are taking...it's about what you put in your mouth...meaning your diet....if you it like a fat pig day in and day out that's is the result that you are going to get...but if you are looking to just lay on some slabs of muscle then of course the occasional cheeseburger isn't going to kill you...again clean diet=clean gains

hope this helps


Yea I was talking about 30-40mgs a day

[malibu350]

the last cycle I did I kept it at 30mg a day and was taking deca and some super test...30mg will probably do just fine for this cycle remeber take one every 8 hours to keep blood levels stable..

[juced_porkchop]

i rec 10 mg every 4-5 hrs,, but thats me

[OuchThatHurts]

Few questions... if you had a reaction to testosterone, what makes you think you won't have a reaction to any of the other compounds you mentioned? Testosterone (synthetic) is almost completely identical to your own testosterone. I have never known anyone who had a reaction to testosterone but I'm sure some do. The symtoms you're describing and attributing to the test sound more like an infection (lethargy, swelling, etc.) which has nothing to do with testosterone.

Second question is did you say you are 21 and 150lbs? What is your height??? How long did you say you were training? You must be ripped or really thin. How long ago did you try this test and tren and where did you get it from?

I think you should try a different brand of testosterone, make sure you know how to give yourself a sterile injection, choose a better site for injection (like the glute). At 150, you shouldn't have any trouble reaching your glute.

Not being judgemental here, but do you think maybe it would be a good idea to train right, eat more, and get plenty of rest and learn more about the compounds you want to use and why everyone is telling you that what you plan to do is a bad idea? Sure, you can make gains off strictly anabolic cycles like deca but your testosterone production will shut down hard on deca or tren. That's not good for men. Particularly 21-yr-old men. Know what I mean?

[Illuminati02]

Few questions... if you had a reaction to testosterone, what makes you think you won't have a reaction to any of the other compounds you mentioned? Testosterone (synthetic) is almost completely identical to your own testosterone. I have never known anyone who had a reaction to testosterone but I'm sure some do. The symtoms you're describing and attributing to the test sound more like an infection (lethargy, swelling, etc.) which has nothing to do with testosterone.

Second question is did you say you are 21 and 150lbs? What is your height??? How long did you say you were training? You must be ripped or really thin. How long ago did you try this test and tren and where did you get it from?

I think you should try a different brand of testosterone, make sure you know how to give yourself a sterile injection, choose a better site for injection (like the glute). At 150, you shouldn't have any trouble reaching your glute.

Not being judgemental here, but do you think maybe it would be a good idea to train right, eat more, and get plenty of rest and learn more about the compounds you want to use and why everyone is telling you that what you plan to do is a bad idea? Sure, you can make gains off strictly anabolic cycles like deca but your testosterone production will shut down hard on deca or tren. That's not good for men. Particularly 21-yr-old men. Know what I mean?

Yea my height is 5'8, id say im pretty defined. been working out on and off for about 5-6yrs plus i do boxing so that can explain why im not 170 or more cause of having to stay in a certain weight class but now im trying to move up. And i know about sterile injections I do piercings so im formiliar with needles etc. My eating and diet is on key now and im starting to gain more weight and proper dieting. Also my training is on key to. The test i was using was the stealth test and no it didnt get contaminated when i was transfering it. I think maybe i just used to much for my first injection because i've been talking to others about my incident and found that it is common with some people. It was also in my quad and i know that some people don't take to quad shots that well and i might be one of those people so that could have possibly added to it.

[Illuminati02]

Nothing makes me think i wont with others im just going to try and see what happens. plus at the age of 21 i understand that your natural testosterone is very high as it is.

[tatteredxangelx]

bump ouch ... and if you don't mind me rephrasing what he said --- you shouldnt be using ... try eggs, beef and milk b4 gear ... lmao "did you say you were 21yrs old, 150lbs" you crack me up ouch

[Illuminati02]

bump ouch ... and if you don't mind me rephrasing what he said --- you shouldnt be using ... try eggs, beef and milk b4 gear ... lmao "did you say you were 21yrs old, 150lbs" you crack me up ouch

hey tatter go fuck yourself i have to stay in a certain weight class for boxing and ufc so blow me. sorry if im not some fuckin juice head whos tryin to get huge

[Tyrone]

hey tatter go fuck yourself i have to stay in a certain weight class for boxing and ufc so blow me. sorry if im not some fuckin juice head whos tryin to get huge

DO ME AND AND A TON OF OTHER MEMBERS HERE A FAVOR AND APPOLOGIZE TO TATTEREDXANGELX!!! LONG TIME RESPECTED MEMBER RIGHT THERE MAN.

[tatteredxangelx]

thx tyrone,

illum, i didnt mean to offend you, my bad ... but from the first post in this thread you are looking to gain weight ... other wise you wouldnt have used test e or be inquiring about dbol ... so I don't know if you're trying to gain weight, or jsut strength but my reponse is -

1) if your trying to gain weight, you don't need AAS yet, diet and exercise can do it for you
2) if your trying to gain strength only,, none of the compounds you mentioned would do that. look into winny, anavar, primo, and suspension
3) if you are UFC fighting, you shouldnt be using anyway b/c it's against the rules, but you probably don't care and in that case shouldnt be using Deca anyway ...

[OuchThatHurts]

Damn dude! You just exploded on TATX! You pissed me off now because I reserve the right to abuse TATX myself!Nothing makes me think i wont with others im just going to try and see what happens. plus at the age of 21 i understand that your natural testosterone is very high as it is.Just try it and see what happens????? r u serious???? So you think your test is going to just stay high while you eat and shoot these anabolics?

I recommend you schedule an appointment with your doctor for three months from now. You don't need him now but you'll thank me later.

You're a juicehead dude. In fact your last post has juicehead written all over it.

"Youth is wasted on the young."

[sammarbella]

hey tatter go fuck yourself i have to stay in a certain weight class for boxing and ufc so blow me. sorry if im not some fuckin juice head whos tryin to get huge

Then why are you bothering us with your stupid questions HUGE BOY?

Just f**k yourself and play dangerous sports...LIKE CHESS! :mad:

21 yrs old 150lbs 5'8 training since 5-6 years?

Sure my GF at 48 yrs has more natural testo production than yours!

Follow the OuchThatHurts advice and go to the doctor...hummm, better go directly to the specialist: a ginecologist.

Tell him to check your ovaries and start an progesterone cycle...cause you don't react well to male sexual hormone: TESTOSTERONE, so you must be a woman!!

:D

Read this:

BODYBUILDING IS A SPORT FOR MALE!

Gotcha?

[Illuminati02]

I wont appologize to anyone if i felt offended then im gonna fuckin stand up for myself just like i would hope a majority of you would unless your completely gay. its funny how all you come to argue this when it's nothing between you.Its between me and tatter unless you guys are suckin his dick then i could understand sammar. But as far as tatter said before a couple post up that what he said i did take the wrong way because thats how it was written.
But i have no bad blood with tatter and im assuming he understands what its like to have to stay in a certain weight class. And tatter i ment i was trying to gain strength and weight at the same time to move up in weight class. and wanted to put on some lean muscle. Im sure if tatter went back to that post and read it he could see how i would be offended. so for that matter all you other people dont get involved with stuff that you aren't apart of. Cause im just seeing tatter's post now and before i even get to see him and his appology i have 4 other people heckling me about some shit that has nothing to do with them.

[SwoleTexasKid]

hey illuminati, There are some fucking haters on this board. It just happens that OuchThatHurts is not one of them . He is a mod on several major boards and His avatar speaks for itself.

Why not just take his advice and ignore the haters. What sense does it make to have an argument and talk shit on here. Nothings gonna happen out of it.:confused:

Im just saying.

[Illuminati02]

hey illuminati, There are some fucking haters on this board. It just happens that OuchThatHurts is not one of them . He is a mod on several major boards and His avatar speaks for itself.

Why not just take his advice and ignore the haters. What sense does it make to have an argument and talk shit on here. Nothings gonna happen out of it.:confused:

Im just saying.

yea your probly right swallowass but im gonna defend myself if needed and people callin me a bitch and see a gynocologist etc. is goin a little to far so they deserve to get whats comin to them. Ouchthathurts my last response wasnt geared toward him. more toward this sammar fagget.

[Illuminati02]

Damn dude! You just exploded on TATX! You pissed me off now because I reserve the right to abuse TATX myself!Just try it and see what happens????? r u serious???? So you think your test is going to just stay high while you eat and shoot these anabolics?

I recommend you schedule an appointment with your doctor for three months from now. You don't need him now but you'll thank me later.

You're a juicehead dude. In fact your last post has juicehead written all over it.

"Youth is wasted on the young."

I understand what your saying but why is it that everywhere i seem to read about the classic deca/dbol cycle. I just dont get if its so bad for you why do i hear so many things about it? I figured (from my research and other things ive heard in the forum) if your an older person lets say 30+ you should always have test in your cycle because as you age your natural test levels decrease. And when your younger your test levels are at there peak. This is what im hearing from my research. Tell me if im wrong? I just dont get why I hear all this great things about deca/dbol. plus ive known people who have run deca/dbol by itself and said they've been fine. Im not saying that its write or I know it all depends on the person. But if its so "horrible" for you why do people (younger people) do it? And i understand that clomid gives your test. levels a boost or spike so could it be possible that they were using clomid on there cycle to boost there test levels? I appreciate your input OUCHTHAT but i just wanna clear up what i read on deca/dbol, its like one place tells me this and another tells me that.

[tatteredxangelx]

illumi,

Yes, you will make gains on a deca/dbol cycle, but it will be w/ less side effects now and in the future if you run test along with it (when I don't run enough test w/ deca my dick wont stay hard, I could not imagine running no test with it) ... thats the bottom line.and be careful with deca, it stays in your system for a long time.

[Baited]

If there is any chance you will be tested for anything you are doing (sport wise) do not do deca.
12-16 months in your system or something like that. If you aren't being tested then don't worry about detection times but if you are you should look into how long they are in your system before you start.

Deca/dbol cycle isn't recommended because it really surpresses your natural test levels. That's why people say to throw in test.

[OuchThatHurts]

Dude, I don't hate anyone. I get IRRITATED sometimes but that doesn't mean I hate you. Fact is you really verbally tore into an established member. I don't like that. You've been here a month. Do you want to stay here? If you do, you'd better get that temper of yours under control because eventually, I will ban you.

I already told you that deca shuts you down. That's not my opinion. It's a fact. It shuts you down hard. Even with a SINGLE DOSE. What do you think happens when a 21-yr-old developing male completely stops his testosterone? You see what I'm getting at? I already told you that yes, you will probably gain with Deca. But at 150lbs, you'd gain weight from the air you breathe. Deca (nandrolone) is detectable up to 18 months. I've heard the newer tests can detect it for 2 years! I don't know what your friends say or what articles you've read but there is enough info in this thread alone to put you on a better course.

Besides, what does an Illuminati (illuminated one) need with deca/dbol? I'm just screwing with you but seriously, you don't need any drugs in my opinion but you do what you want.

Tear into another member again and I'll KO your membership.

[Kaiser]

Illuminati, you have your first warning from me. Attack another member again and you will be on vacation. Your IP is noted.

[juced_porkchop]

if u whanna gain weight n power then do a decent cycle if your worryed about gaining pounds "and/or not gona listin to wut some !VETS! are saying" then dont u aas ..{vary simp} go n do that cycle n u may be vary limp <---- this is me holding back wut i rilly want to say:rolleyes:
w/e gud luck

ps. i waz reluct on using test at first,,,, now i know why allllll say TEST TEST TEST there is a reson guy

[Illuminati02]

illumi,

Yes, you will make gains on a deca/dbol cycle, but it will be w/ less side effects now and in the future if you run test along with it (when I don't run enough test w/ deca my dick wont stay hard, I could not imagine running no test with it) ... thats the bottom line.and be careful with deca, it stays in your system for a long time.

Hey Tatter and Baited, Thanks for answering that for me i appreciate it. Its just when I always ask everyone says run test with it what are you crazy. But they never say why to run test with it so its "ok thanks for telling me that but why should i run test" you just cleared it up for me. Its hard to find things out when people tell you to run something with it but dont state why, if you know what i mean.
Its like if someone gave you a parachute told you to pull that chord after you jump are you gonna just go and do it or wouldnt you wanna know what that chord does first? I sure as hell know i'd wanna know what the chord does. catch my drift

[Illuminati02]

Dude, I don't hate anyone. I get IRRITATED sometimes but that doesn't mean I hate you. Fact is you really verbally tore into an established member. I don't like that. You've been here a month. Do you want to stay here? If you do, you'd better get that temper of yours under control because eventually, I will ban you.

I already told you that deca shuts you down. That's not my opinion. It's a fact. It shuts you down hard. Even with a SINGLE DOSE. What do you think happens when a 21-yr-old developing male completely stops his testosterone? You see what I'm getting at? I already told you that yes, you will probably gain with Deca. But at 150lbs, you'd gain weight from the air you breathe. Deca (nandrolone) is detectable up to 18 months. I've heard the newer tests can detect it for 2 years! I don't know what your friends say or what articles you've read but there is enough info in this thread alone to put you on a better course.

Besides, what does an Illuminati (illuminated one) need with deca/dbol? I'm just screwing with you but seriously, you don't need any drugs in my opinion but you do what you want.

Tear into another member again and I'll KO your membership.

lol ok ouchthathurts point well taken. appreciate the input.