Deca/Test W/No HCG

[finnpwr]

12 weeks deca 400mg
14 weeks test c 500mg

I'll take Adex during cycle, and Clomid-Nolvadex for PCT. I don't have any HCG.

What would you guys do? I don't need $200 dollars of stuff.

[drob29]

12 weeks deca 400mg
14 weeks test c 500mg

I'll take Adex during cycle, and Clomid-Nolvadex for PCT. I don't have any HCG.

What would you guys do? I don't need $200 dollars of stuff.

IMO:

12 weeks is too long for deca. go 10 weeks max. Its too HTPA suppressive to run longer than 10 weeks.

test at 14 is fine. Longer than I would go but each to his own.

good luck bro..

[finnpwr]

I was gonna run 12 weeks test and 10 weeks deca from what i've read in the past, but i came across this on steroid.com

"Deca is known for producing quality weight gains, but it has to be used for 12 weeks at a minimum, judging from Steroid.com members´ feedback, as well as my own personal experience. This shouldn´t cause any problems, since it is a very mild drug in terms of side-effects."

And this....

"So where are we? Well, I´d be comfortable recommending Deca for use in a bulking cycle at up to 600mgs/week for an extended duration (12-16 weeks), or up to 400mgs/week in a cutting cycle (again, for 12-16 weeks), as long as something to combat water retention is present. Whichever purpose you decide to use Deca for, you still need to include Testosterone in your cycle and have some anti-progesteronic drugs on hand (see paragraph above), just in case."

So how long should I go with the deca?
Will it be ok with no HCG?
Should I pick a anti-progesteronic drug or would the adex be fine?

[crfpilot14]

You can run it for 12wks, however, you should run HCG with every cycle. And, you will likely have to do a longer PCT. If you do not want to wait for Alin to send the HCG there is a site online that sells it for $45 for a 10k IU kit. PM me if you want the address.

[zznwhs]

I would definitely run Deca at 12 weeks. Your article is right, you need to run Deca for at least 12 weeks to get any decent gains from it. At 400mg/week it isn't going to be that suppressive. This advice is from personal experience, not what someone else told me. Having HCG would be good, but it isn't 100% necessary on your cycle. Run the PCT you have planned, and if it doesn't seem to bring you back all the way, just extend your PCT for a few weeks longer.

[drob29]

I would definitely run Deca at 12 weeks. Your article is right, you need to run Deca for at least 12 weeks to get any decent gains from it.

[COLOR="Red"]I disagree. I ran deca 400 mg wk for 9 weeks with test e for both my cycles with great gains, and I kept 90% of it, /COLOR]

At 400mg/week it isn't going to be that suppressive.

Aagain, I disagree. its highly supressive at that dose

This advice is from personal experience, not what someone else told me. Having HCG would be good, but it isn't 100% necessary on your cycle. Run the PCT you have planned, and if it doesn't seem to bring you back all the way, just extend your PCT for a few weeks longer.

"just extend your pct a few weeks longer"? PCT is a tough time for your body, and not to be taken lightly. My first PCT I was very suprised at what my body went through. Dude, PCT is no joke, and is hard.



Keep the deca to 10 weeks max, test for two more, two weeks of nothing, then standard pct.

Can a MOD chime in with a comment? or a multi cycle vet?

"my two cents"

[crfpilot14]

Not a mod, but I agree with most of what you stated. I recommend lab testing to see if you have recovered. Most cannot do this however. I actually recommend running PCT for 4-6wks for long cycles or high dose cycles.

[Sapper82]

waht anti-progesteronic drugs does anyone recommend? Also, some one suggested that same cycle to me once, I havn't tried it yet. and the doses where lower than yours.
what would be a good PCT for this cycle?....... anyone?...... Beuller?

[crfpilot14]

PCT is pretty standard as long as you control your estrogen and prolactin levels during the cycle. During the cycle, use arimidex or letrozole for aromatase inhibition along with cabergoline at 0.5mg e4d for prolactin. Cabergoline through the end of PCT.

[bod1ggity]

depending on the bw of the guy cycleing 400mg/wk of decca isnt very much and I would def recommend running it for at least 10 weeks if you are going to run decca. I think that HCG should be used in this cycle as well, starting at about the 4th week.