what do you think

[riverat42000]

I am thinking about trying trenbolone Enanthate from IP along with some anadrol, or 50 mg of D-bol, and some EQ. I have read that this would be a good mass/strength cycle. I think maybe 200 mg's of EQ three times per wk, and 75 mg's of anadrol or 50mg's of D-bol per day......but I am not sure about the Tren. Enant. I have read about several diffrent things about the wkly dosage. Any Ideas or suggestions please............This is my first post on Alin Board.........so take it easy on a newbie.....thanks for the help.

[surf256]

hey bro go with the tren e at 200 - 400mgs a week. This is strong stuff so stick around the 300 mark if it is your first time. You will be very happy with your results. The anadrol is a good idea too but you should throw in some test. Preferbly test e Shoot your tren e and test e every 3 days. You will get husge gains from this if you eat right. Just my .02

[arnold jr]

I am thinking about trying trenbolone Enanthate from IP along with some anadrol, or 50 mg of D-bol, and some EQ. I have read that this would be a good mass/strength cycle. I think maybe 200 mg's of EQ three times per wk, and 75 mg's of anadrol or 50mg's of D-bol per day......but I am not sure about the Tren. Enant. I have read about several diffrent things about the wkly dosage. Any Ideas or suggestions please............This is my first post on Alin Board.........so take it easy on a newbie.....thanks for the help.
Throw in some test. I'm of the opinion that all cycles should include test as the base of your cycle. You will get some different opinions on this from some of the guys on this board, but to each his own. My belief is that since testosterone is already naturally produced in the body it is one of the best AAS items we have...test is not something the body is unfamiliar with...although the intake of test by means of AAS use is unnatural, it is not foreign, so the body is more apt to adjust. Plus, the added boost from test is going to help with the other agents you are taking in.

Arnold jr's recommendations:

wk 1-6 dbol 40mg ed
wk 1-8 eq 300mg wk
wk 1-9 sust 500mg wk
wk 6-11 tren 200mg wk
wk 10-12 prop 500mg wk
wk 13-15 PCT
wk 1-12 arimidex 1mg eod

As for the sust you can go with test-e or cyp and be fine, sust is just a preference, but I do recommend injecting it 3xwk to keep blood levels even

As far as the tren it makes no difference if you go with tren-A or tren-E both produce the same results. The only difference is that tren-E is a longer ester and can be injected less frequently. I typically go with tren-A because since I use sust I am injecting frequently and can just mix it in with the sust injection.

Switching to prop the last 3 wks is to help clear your body and prepare it for PCT right away, instead of having to wait 3wks.

[tatteredxangelx]

how can you guys post cycles for this guy w/o knowing his stats and cycle experience ... he could never have cycled before and you are giving him tren? come on guys! What is yer cycle experience bro? if you HAVENT cycled before try this.

Week 1-12 300mg of test E every mon and fri
Week1-10 200mg deca every mon and fri
Week 1-4 50mg dbol everyday
week 14-17PCT

[riverat42000]

Well I have been training since I was 12. I am now 42. I have used on and off for about 20 of those years...........I have been a student of the game for the entire 30 years and learn something nearly every day. I am 5' 4 ", 214 with about 12% body fat.......I have never competed in a bodybuilding show, but I did compete in powerlifting for 16 years...........I hope this will give you a better idea of what may or may not work for me..........thanks for the help.

[tatteredxangelx]

Alright, there we go ... for you id recommend

Week 1-16 Test E 800mg a week
Week 1-4 Anadrol 50mg a day
weeks 4-12 Tren A 100mg EOD (if you havent used tren A or parabolan dont use Tren e yet)
Week 12-16 - Winny 50mg a daY

[jstforme]

Arnold jr's recommendations:

wk 1-6 dbol 40mg ed
wk 1-8 eq 300mg wk
wk 1-9 sust 500mg wk
wk 6-11 tren 200mg wk
wk 10-12 prop 500mg wk
wk 13-15 PCT
wk 1-12 arimidex 1mg eod

As for the sust you can go with test-e or cyp and be fine, sust is just a preference, but I do recommend injecting it 3xwk to keep blood levels even

just curious as to how you inject 500mg of sustanon 3 times a week

[riverat42000]

Alright, there we go ... for you id recommend

Week 1-16 Test E 800mg a week
Week 1-4 Anadrol 50mg a day
weeks 4-12 Tren A 100mg EOD (if you havent used tren A or parabolan dont use Tren e yet)
Week 12-16 - Winny 50mg a daY


Tabs or Injections for the WinnyV?

[arnold jr]

just curious as to how you inject 500mg of sustanon 3 times a week
What don't you understand? If the sust is in 250mg amps, as it usually is you take 2 amps and divide it into 3 even doses, that's it. If the sust is in a 10ml vile, which it will be if it's from many UG labs, you use the same format.

[arnold jr]

Alright, there we go ... for you id recommend

Week 1-16 Test E 800mg a week
Week 1-4 Anadrol 50mg a day
weeks 4-12 Tren A 100mg EOD (if you havent used tren A or parabolan dont use Tren e yet)
Week 12-16 - Winny 50mg a daY
This would be fine, but he may not need that much test if he hasn't been on cycle for a while because of his age, but don't know for sure, he didn't say.

You have to remember, the dosage of test can be less for an older man than it can be for a younger one, and the older man will still get good results, I'll explain:

(These numbers are purely for examples sake)
Let’s say you have a 20yr old male and a 40yr old male. The 20yr old naturally produces an equivalent of 200mg worth of test wk, the 40yr old 100mg test wk. Both when they begin a cycle of test their natural productions of test shut down, and they now rely on the test they are taking via gear. They both begin a cycle of 200mg test wk, (again all numbers are for an easy example.) The 40yr old is now at a level that is higher than what he can naturally produce, so in turn he will see gains from this cycle. The 20yr old however is a different story, all he has done in this case is shut his natural production down and replaced it with unnatural, he will see no benefit. So in short, it takes more test for the younger man then it did for the older to see matching results.

Again, there is nothing wrong with him taking 800mg of test, my point is he might do just fine on 500mg wk.

Also, I stand by my recommendation of him switching to prop at the end of the cycle regardless of what type of test he uses through the majority of the cycle. This will benefit him greatly in his keeping his gains from this cycle. He will be able to start PCT immediately, which is a major plus.

[riverat42000]

I have been back on since I found a good source again. Back in the final days of your local supplier (If any of you remember that) roids were everywhere and cheap. But then they just dried up. Dbol was stopped, anadrol was no longer made or at least cut way back in production and not on every corner. Then came the Mexican pills and oils...........pretty much all fake. So I gave up on the thought of ever finding any good gear anymore.....Then along came Alinshop and the more I read the more I got the itch to put back on the battle gear and get back in the game hard core again. Many years ago when I decided that I wanted to not just compete but be competitive there was no info. like this available just your local guru and the underground hand book. Good stuff but not like this. The athlete's health was not much of a concern. I am my old self again and I love it. As wide as I am tall........LOL. I was just training at home for the last 5 years. Just going through the motions. Not much fun, just a habit I couldn't break. Now training is fun again. I love the look on the young buck's face's when I knock out a heavy set of BP's, or DL's. Most of my experience is with all the bacis test.....but I like the prop. best of all........and sust. of course. I am just looking and researching some new cycles. I have always been of the way of thinking that if you always do what you've always done, then you'll always get what you've always got.......and I want to be better today than I was yesterday.

[mickeymbbc]

Alright, there we go ... for you id recommend

Week 1-16 Test E 800mg a week-500-600mg
Week 1-4 Anadrol 50mg a day-GOOD
weeks 4-12 Tren A 100mg EOD (if you havent used tren A or parabolan dont use Tren e yet) -PERFECT
Week 12-16 - Winny 50mg a daY- OR PROP INTO pct

Now this is better, but I would drop the test down a little bit. You do not need it that high to get great gains.

[tatteredxangelx]

River, ive heard winny shots are slightly better .... but id use IP tabs to be cost efficient. You'll save a good $200 with pretty much the same results.

[riverat42000]

River, ive heard winny shots are slightly better .... but id use IP tabs to be cost efficient. You'll save a good $200 with pretty much the same results.
cool thanks.........I think i am going to use that last cycle with slight changes that Mic made.........and the IP winny tabs.........I like those ip products they have worked for me in the past and besides those shot of winny sting like hell....thanks tatt and everyone else who had input.