Question about cutter?

[11rdc11]

Wuzz up? I am on my lean mass cycle right now and I must say thank you for all the advice given. I was contemplating my next cycle and thought of giving this cycle a go later in the year and would like your feedback.

Week 1-8
Test p 50 mg ED
Week 1-8
Winny 50 mg ED
Weeks 1-8
Masteron 50 mg ED

My question about this cycle are?
1 Do I need to bump the test up?
2 Will running two DHT steroids cause a real problem?
3 Has anyone ran Masteron before?

[opusx]

what kind of results are you looking for with this cycle? It is a short cycle and I am sure you will be asked about PCT as well. Do you have your PCT set for the current lean mass cycle? and what exactly is the cycle you are on now?

[11rdc11]

I'm sorry for not explaining everything. Yes I have my proper pct set for both cycles and may use HCG depending on how the boys are hanging on the lean mass cycle due to the tren.

Lean Mass Cycle
Week 1-4 Tbol 50mg ED
Week 1-10 test E 500mg (250mg shots mon & thurs)
Week 1-10 tren E 400mg (200mg shots mon & thurs)


I am looking to run the cutter latter during the year. Not really expecting much on adding mass but to bring my bodyfat from 11% to maybe 6% or 7%. I know diet is the key. I am happy with my size and do not plan on really getting any bigger due to my height. Don't want to look like a swole smurf :D. I have ran a cutter before and wanted to change things up a bit from the test p/tren a/winny cycle.

Cycles I have ran
1st cycle
1-10 Test 500mg a week

2nd cycle
1-16 Test 500mg a week
1-15 Equipose 400mg a week
1-4 D-bol 25mg a day

3rd cycle
1 to 8: 50mg of Prop ED
1 to 8: 75mg of Tren EOD
1 to 8: 50mg of winny ED

[11rdc11]

Sorry forgot about my stats

23 years old
185 pounds 12% bodyfat
5'4

[arnold jr]

Wuzz up? I am on my lean mass cycle right now and I must say thank you for all the advice given. I was contemplating my next cycle and thought of giving this cycle a go later in the year and would like your feedback.

Week 1-8
Test p 50 mg ED
Week 1-8
Winny 50 mg ED
Weeks 1-8
Masteron 50 mg ED

My question about this cycle are?
1 Do I need to bump the test up?
2 Will running two DHT steroids cause a real problem?
3 Has anyone ran Masteron before?

Ajr's Recommendations

wk 1-8 sust250 500mg wk
wk 1-8 eq 300mg wk
wk 4-12 winny 50mg ed (although eod might be fine)
wk 9-12 prop 500mg wk
wk 1-15 clen 100-120mcg ed (2wks on 2wks off)
wk 13-15 PCT


You'll notice first I bumped the cycle up 4wks. This is because it is my personal opinion that cycles should be run at a minimum of 12 wks to allow for the most success. You can still get results on an 8wk cycle, but 12wks or better will give you more bang for your buck with your test in a cycle.

Also, I see no reason in running masteron unless you are getting ready to do a show. Masteron works best at the end of a cycle when your bf% is already extremely low, as it should be when getting ready for competition. With that in mind, I never recommend masteron unless you are going to be going below 5%bf.

[Beetlejuice]

Do not run winny for 8 weeks. You are asking for liver issues even with the injectable. No more than 6 weeks of winny. Why run the prop for the last 4 weeks? Why not run the sust 4 more. Test is test. You are not gonna get anything better from the prop than what you are getting from the sust but prop needs to be injected every day to every other day. It is an exceptionally short ester. Sust has some longer esters in it. You can get away with every 3-4 days with sust. That is just my 2 cents. Mainly DON"T USE WINNY 8 WEEKS!

Ajr's Recommendations

wk 1-8 sust250 500mg wk
wk 1-8 eq 300mg wk
wk 4-12 winny 50mg ed (although eod might be fine)
wk 9-12 prop 500mg wk
wk 1-15 clen 100-120mcg ed (2wks on 2wks off)
wk 13-15 PCT


You'll notice first I bumped the cycle up 4wks. This is because it is my personal opinion that cycles should be run at a minimum of 12 wks to allow for the most success. You can still get results on an 8wk cycle, but 12wks or better will give you more bang for your buck with your test in a cycle.

Also, I see no reason in running masteron unless you are getting ready to do a show. Masteron works best at the end of a cycle when your bf% is already extremely low, as it should be when getting ready for competition. With that in mind, I never recommend masteron unless you are going to be going below 5%bf.

[arnold jr]

Do not run winny for 8 weeks. You are asking for liver issues even with the injectable. No more than 6 weeks of winny. Why run the prop for the last 4 weeks? Why not run the sust 4 more. Test is test. You are not gonna get anything better from the prop than what you are getting from the sust but prop needs to be injected every day to every other day. It is an exceptionally short ester. Sust has some longer esters in it. You can get away with every 3-4 days with sust. That is just my 2 cents. Mainly DON"T USE WINNY 8 WEEKS!
The reason for switching to Prop at the end is for PCT purposes and for the purposes of his goal with this cycle.

First, running Prop at the end will allow him to start PCT immediately rather than waiting the standard 3wks after last injection of Sust... the sooner you can start PCT the better in my mind... the sooner you can get your natural functions up and running, the more success you will have in keeping your gains. Stopping the Test before the end of cycle that has longer acting esters, be it Test-e, Cyp, Sust or whatever, and switching to Prop allows for this to work.

Also, since Sust does cause some bloat, although not as much as other Test, he would benefit from the Prop at the end because it tends to cause less bloat, which will help him to achieve his desired look by the cycles end.

As for the 8wks of winny, I don't typically recommend more than 6wks of use, but I have used it 8wks before with no problems. I get my blood work and stuff done regularly, and so far so good... for those of you who don't get regular blood work, you must be out of your mind! You’re messing with your body by taking gear, and by that you are taking on a certain amount of risk. So I like the idea of knowing what's going on inside my body at all times, that way I know if something I'm doing is having a serious negative affect...and so far so good...I pray every day that it stays that way.

[11rdc11]

Thanks for the info. Do you believe I should switch the winny for some var instead to prevent liver issues? Also I just want to cut up some not really gain mass. Would it be alright just to run some test prop, T3, and clen for this or possibly some DNP? Any opinions?

[Steel_Test]

if you can run tren prop and winny for 14 weeks do this
75mg tren EOD
50mg prop ED
50mg winny EOD



weeks 13-16
last 4 weeks rum Masteron

for weeks 1-8
eat high protein low carbs on days 1-3
on day 4 eat equally amount of carbs

weeks 3-16
chicken and protein foods only


if you seem flat 4 weeks before comp.
run eq with prop

if you need more info please contact me.

My first show I done I won first place in heavyweight class and first place overall.

[11rdc11]

Does masteron mess up your joints like winny and is anti-estrogenic?

[Beetlejuice]

I would have to say thats a damn good reason to start test prop like that. Nice ArnoldJr. I do think though that is a hell of a lot of sticking though with the winny involved. I would rather see him switch to a mid range test ester, his best bet would be to start taking a nice clean oral the last 4 weeks to help keep his gains.




The reason for switching to Prop at the end is for PCT purposes and for the purposes of his goal with this cycle.

First, running Prop at the end will allow him to start PCT immediately rather than waiting the standard 3wks after last injection of Sust... the sooner you can start PCT the better in my mind... the sooner you can get your natural functions up and running, the more success you will have in keeping your gains. Stopping the Test before the end of cycle that has longer acting esters, be it Test-e, Cyp, Sust or whatever, and switching to Prop allows for this to work.

Also, since Sust does cause some bloat, although not as much as other Test, he would benefit from the Prop at the end because it tends to cause less bloat, which will help him to achieve his desired look by the cycles end.

As for the 8wks of winny, I don't typically recommend more than 6wks of use, but I have used it 8wks before with no problems. I get my blood work and stuff done regularly, and so far so good... for those of you who don't get regular blood work, you must be out of your mind! You’re messing with your body by taking gear, and by that you are taking on a certain amount of risk. So I like the idea of knowing what's going on inside my body at all times, that way I know if something I'm doing is having a serious negative affect...and so far so good...I pray every day that it stays that way.

[arnold jr]

I would have to say thats a damn good reason to start test prop like that. Nice ArnoldJr. I do think though that is a hell of a lot of sticking though with the winny involved. I would rather see him switch to a mid range test ester, his best bet would be to start taking a nice clean oral the last 4 weeks to help keep his gains.
True, that is a lot of sticking with the winny in there, but I would recommend that he take the winny orally, be it in liquid or tab form... he just needs to realize that the half life of the tabs are only about half as long as the injectable winny, so splitting the dose into two doses daily is preferable when taking tabs. Another reason for taking the winny orally is that being that it is a water based substance rather than oil, is that there is more of a chance of infection, especially with daily injections. I know a lot of guys like the idea of injecting it into the muscle because it gets there faster than when taken orally, but in the end it is all the same. Last off, if he is anything like me, frequent winny injections tend to stay sore and uncomfortable for a long time. For me, it's a soreness that is not worth it.

[11rdc11]

You are so right. Last time I use winny it hurt like hell. What do you guys think if I change this cycle considering everyones opinions.

Cycle A

Week 1-8
Test p at 100mg EOD

Week 1-8
Masteron 100mg

Weeks 1-10
Var at 40mg ED

or

Cycle B

Week 1-8
Sust 250 at 500mg a week

Week 1-8
Masteron 100mg

Week 9-12
Test p 100mg EOD

Week 5-12
Var at 40mg ED

If I run sust 250 should I shot EOD and do you believe that I can change the var for tbol?

[11rdc11]

Sorry for the typo the Masteron is 100mg EOD.

P.S. this damn tren is keeping my azz up. Oh well more time to learn.

[mickeymbbc]

Wuzz up? I am on my lean mass cycle right now and I must say thank you for all the advice given. I was contemplating my next cycle and thought of giving this cycle a go later in the year and would like your feedback.

Week 1-8
Test p 50 mg ED
Week 1-8
Winny 50 mg ED
Weeks 1-8
Masteron 50 mg ED

My question about this cycle are?
1 Do I need to bump the test up?
2 Will running two DHT steroids cause a real problem?
3 Has anyone ran Masteron before?


Week 1-8 Test Prop 100mg EOD
Week 1-8 Tren Ace 75mg EOD
Week 1-8 Masteron 100mg EOD
Week 1-8 Adex .5mg ED


-mick