My cycle !!

[rugbyholy]

600mg EQ 1-10 week
200mg Prop/Susp Blend EOD 1-10 week
300mg tren eth 1-10 week5
50mg Winny Tabs ED 5-10

Just wondering about time of injections with the Tren and should I run winny through out the cycle or Just at the end. I think I will use Nova for my PCT starting at week 12-15 with 50,40,30 mg ED.

Have a look guys and let me know what you think it took me a while to figure out what I wanted to do, and I think should give me the hardness and size gains I want. Again any info is great Thx

[mickeymbbc]

IMO if you never ran tren before you should switch it to about 8 weeks, along with running the tren aceate instead. If you get sides they will be more controlable, and you can stop if neccassary. Run you winni right up to your PCT, It will help your pct go much smoother rather than waiting for the esters to clear. You EQ looks good, but I would run something else in replace of that suspension. There are much better choices out there. You PCT starts 3 weeks after you last shot of Eq, unless you run your winni right up to your PCT.

Novadex 40-30-20



-mick



-mick

[rugbyholy]

Thx Mick I have been trying to get the right mix with this cycle for a bit now. So instead of useing the bulk IP Susp/prop mix what would you suggest instead. Also I will go with the tren acetate as you you suggested what dosage should I run? Thx for the info!!

[BigO]

Like mick said...If you've never ran tren stay away from tren e and tren hex they stay in your system a whole lot longer than tren a....That way there if you can't take the sides from it at least you'll only have to endure it 1-2 days tops....

As far as the test it's o.k. to kick the prop or suspension as a frontload but you'll find that test e will be alot more productive and alot less painlees too in the front....Do the test prop suspension at the end with the winny your results will be most effective...The prop/suspension sometimes you shoot twice a day with smaller doses....In other words the more you inject the more it'll hurt...Some guys shoot 3 times a day but with much smaller amounts...
Therefore you,ve become a human pin cushion....

I do suspension from G-P in the begining to jump start my test e...I've never tried I/P sus or prop...I like to stay away from painfull injections....I've tried vet gear suspension and it turn my entire bicep area black...Screw that chit!

[rugbyholy]

Ok 600mg Eq 1-12week
400mg Test Eth 1-12week
50mg winny tabs 6-15 ED
PCT15-18 Nova 40,30,20mg ED

I decided to drop the tren as it such an unkown to me and this is just a start back in cycle. So have alook and keep the great advice headin my way. Should my test be higher? And should I front load or just run it as is? I am thinking of adding some Masteron to this Mix would it help and where should I throw it in to this mix?

[arnold jr]

Ok 600mg Eq 1-12week
400mg Test Eth 1-12week
50mg winny tabs 6-15 ED
PCT15-18 Nova 40,30,20mg ED

I decided to drop the tren as it such an unkown to me and this is just a start back in cycle. So have alook and keep the great advice headin my way. Should my test be higher? And should I front load or just run it as is? I am thinking of adding some Masteron to this Mix would it help and where should I throw it in to this mix?
Arnold jr's recomendations:

wk 1-12 test-e 500mg wk
wk 1-12 eq 400mg wk
wk 8-15 winny 50mg ed
wk 13-15 prop 500mg wk (not prop-susp, but straight prop)
wk 16-18 PCT

[rugbyholy]

I thank every one for all the great advice. I have been a hardline Test Susp and Winny guy forever so getting into this realm of human gear is a little mind numbing. I think I might have a cycle I can run now. I think I will stick with just running this for the 12 weeks as running the test and EQ on a 15 week cycle seems long to me.

600mg Test Eth 1-13 weeks
400mg EQ 1-12 weeks
100mg Test Prop 1-3 weeks EOD Front Load
50mg winny tabs 7-12
PCT 15-18 40,30,20,20

I will keep you guys posted on how it runs, if anybody see's any major flaw that I have forgotten plz let me know!! Thx Arnold Jr for the out line the only difference I have with your ouline is the Prop I have been told all over that I need to use it to front load, but you have it at the end with the winny.

Is that better than front loading? As well I have been told by a few that my winny needed to stop at week 12 and eq had to stop a week before my test eth for my pct to bang on. Any help here would be great THX!!

[arnold jr]

I thank every one for all the great advice. I have been a hardline Test Susp and Winny guy forever so getting into this realm of human gear is a little mind numbing. I think I might have a cycle I can run now. I think I will stick with just running this for the 12 weeks as running the test and EQ on a 15 week cycle seems long to me.

600mg Test Eth 1-13 weeks
400mg EQ 1-12 weeks
100mg Test Prop 1-3 weeks EOD Front Load
50mg winny tabs 7-12
PCT 15-18 40,30,20,20

I will keep you guys posted on how it runs, if anybody see's any major flaw that I have forgotten plz let me know!! Thx Arnold Jr for the out line the only difference I have with your ouline is the Prop I have been told all over that I need to use it to front load, but you have it at the end with the winny.

Is that better than front loading? As well I have been told by a few that my winny needed to stop at week 12 and eq had to stop a week before my test eth for my pct to bang on. Any help here would be great THX!!

Frontloading with prop is fine, but if you want your test to get an early kick start I would recommend going with sust instead. Sust has prop mixed in it and will give you that quick bump you are looking for. I actually prefer sust to all other test or test mixes and use it as the base of all my cycles. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Test-E, using sust for me is just a preference. Also, if the quick kick start is something you are concerned about, you might try adding in say 4wks of dbol at 30 or 40mg ed. I personally hate dbol because of the way it makes me feel, it makes me feel very lethargic and bloated, but this doesn't seem to be the case for most guys. A lot of guys swear by it...you might give that a try.

The reason I recommended using prop at the end is so that you can immediately start PCT, instead of waiting a few weeks. If you switch to prop the last 3 or 4 weeks you will be able to start PCT immediately and this will help with the keeping of your gains made on the cycle.

I did recommend stopping your EQ before the cycle was completed. Stopping it 1wk before the end is fine 2wks would be better though. You can get away with running the EQ a little bit closer to the end of a cycle than you can say with deca, because EQ is not nearly as hard on your system... it is a much milder compound. But even so, I would still recommend pulling it out at least 2 wks before the end of the cycle just to allow your body to be more prepared for PCT.

[rugbyholy]

Thx for all the help Arnold Jr I will take your advice and applie it to my cycle. I want to have this first start back cycle just right so I am makeing sure I get all the info from guys like you before I start. Could you break down your thoughts into a another cycle plan so I can see exactly what you mean if you have a spare sec if not thats OK you already helped me out alot!

[BigO]

yes...bump your test to 750...you could add an oral in the begining too

[arnold jr]

Thx for all the help Arnold Jr I will take your advice and applie it to my cycle. I want to have this first start back cycle just right so I am makeing sure I get all the info from guys like you before I start. Could you break down your thoughts into a another cycle plan so I can see exactly what you mean if you have a spare sec if not thats OK you already helped me out alot!
The cycle I laid out before hand is still what I would recommend:

wk 1-12 test-e 500mg wk
wk 1-12 eq 400mg wk
wk 8-15 winny 50mg ed
wk 13-15 prop 500mg wk (not prop-susp, but straight prop)
wk 16-18 PCT

If this was my cycle however I would use sust instead, and frontload it 1000mg the 1st wk. I know a lot of guys would argue that there is no need in frontloading sust, but I disagree. Sust is made up of both short and long acting esters, and to take full advantage of the long ones, frontloading sust like you would any other long ester test is a good idea. I also like sust because it tends to bloat me out less, which is a feeling i try to avoid as much as I can. Many people argue that sust is too much trouble to use, because they claim it is to difficult to control your blood test levels. But this is something that is not that difficult to achieve if you inject sust frequently, say 3x wk.

If you decide to add dbol run it the 1st 4-6 wks at 30-40mg ed

What are your goals out of this cycle? Are you bulking or leaning out? If bulking I would switch the EQ to deca, deca is much stronger mg for mg than EQ and I think is more suitable. Don't get me wrong, I think EQ has its place but I only run it at the beginning of cycles when I am in diet mode, and when I am more concerned about bloat...which brings me to my next point. A lot of guys opt for EQ instead of deca because of the sides deca often brings, such as excess bloating. This can however be minimized by adding arimidex to your cycle. 1mg eod should do the trick. If you do opt for the deca, drop it somewhere in the last 2-3 wk range of cycle, 3 wks being optimal. Deca can be hard to come off of, but by dropping it in time and switching over to prop the last 3wks of cycle you can make the transition a lot easier. This way you start PCT immediately after cycle instead of waiting, and you are getting your natural functions up and running as soon as possible rather then postponing it.

[rugbyholy]

600mg test eth 1-13 weeks
400mgEq 1-11 weeks
40mg Dbol ED 1-4 weeks Kick Start
50mg winny tabs ED 8-15
150mg Test Prop EOD 13-15 weeks
PCT of Nova 40,30,20 16-18 weeks

Now I just need to get the gear!

[mickeymbbc]

Ok 600mg Eq 1-12week
400mg Test Eth 1-12week
50mg winny tabs 6-15 ED
PCT15-18 Nova 40,30,20mg ED

I decided to drop the tren as it such an unkown to me and this is just a start back in cycle. So have alook and keep the great advice headin my way. Should my test be higher? And should I front load or just run it as is? I am thinking of adding some Masteron to this Mix would it help and where should I throw it in to this mix?

I figured that I would through this is there seeing that masterone is my favorite Item :D Its a must in every one of my cycles.

What about something like this:

wks 1-12 EQ 600mg (split, twice a week injects)
wks 1-12 Test Enth 600mg
wks 3-12 Masteron 100mg EOD
wks 3-6 Nolva, 20mg per night b/4 bed (the Masteron should be enough anti-e after wk 6)

wks 13-15 Prop 100mg EOD (bridge to PCT as longer esters dissipate, easing Post-Cycle Crash, depression)

wk 16 40mg Nolva ED/3000mg Tribulus ED
wk 17 30mg Nolva ED/3000mg Tribulus ED
wk 18 20mg Nolva ED/3000mg Tribulus ED


-mick

[rugbyholy]

Week
1 Testosterone Enanthate/ 600 mg EQ 400 mg Dbol 40 - 50 mg/ED Nolvadex/ 10-20 MG/Day
2 Testosterone Enanthate/ 600 mg EQ 400 mg Dbol 40 - 50 mg/ED Nolvadex/ 10-20 MG/Day
3 Testosterone Enanthate/ 600 mg EQ 400 mg Dbol 40 - 50 mg/ED Nolvadex/ 10-20 MG/Day
4 Testosterone Enanthate/ 600 mg EQ 400 mg Dbol 40 - 50 mg/ED Nolvadex/ 10-20 MG/Day
5 Testosterone Enanthate/ 600 mg EQ 400 mg Nolvadex/ 10-20 MG/Day
6 Testosterone Enanthate/ 600 mg EQ 400 mg Nolvadex/ 10-20 MG/Day
7 Testosterone Enanthate/ 600 mg EQ 400 mg Nolvadex/ 10-20 MG/Day
8 Testosterone Enanthate/ 600 mg EQ 400 mg Winstrol 50 mg/ED Nolvadex/ 10-20 MG/Day
9 Testosterone Enanthate/ 600 mg EQ 400 mg Winstrol 50 mg/ED Nolvadex/ 10-20 MG/Day
10 Testosterone Enanthate/ 600 mg EQ 400 mg Winstrol 50 mg/ED Nolvadex/ 10-20 MG/Day
11 Testosterone Enanthate/ 600 mg EQ 400 mg Winstrol 50 mg/ED Nolvadex/ 10-20 MG/Day
12 Testosterone Enanthate/ 600 mg EQ 400 mg Winstrol 50 mg/ED Nolvadex/ 10-20 MG/Day
13 Testosterone Enanthate/ 600 mg Winstrol 50 mg/ED Nolvadex/ 10-20 MG/Day
14 Testosterone Prop
150mg EOD Winstrol 50 mg/ED Nolvadex/ 10-20 MG/Day
15 Testosterone Prop
150mg EOD Winstrol 50 mg/ED Nolvadex/ 10-20 MG/Day
16 Clomid Therapy Clomid Therapy Clomid Therapy Nolvadex/ 20 MG/Day
17 Clomid Therapy Clomid Therapy Clomid Therapy Nolvadex/ 20 MG/Day
18 Clomid Therapy Clomid Therapy Clomid Therapy Nolvadex/ 20 MG/Day
19 Clomid Therapy Clomid Therapy Clomid Therapy Nolvadex/ 20 MG/Day

Ok this what I am planning on running I just was wondering if you only take one shot of test a week or due you break it up like the EQ with say a Mon- Thur shot. Let me know guys and I will keep you guys up to date on the gains!!

[mickeymbbc]

Rugby, that makes me dizzy:) Can you fix that a little brutha(lol).



-mick

[rugbyholy]

Weeks 1-12
Testosterone Enanthate/ 600 mg EQ 400 mg Dbol 40 - 50 mg/ED Nolvadex10-20 MG/Day

week 13
Testosterone Enanthate/ 600 mg Winstrol 50 mg/ED Nolvadex10-20 MG/Day

week 14-15
Testosterone Prop 100mg EOD Winstrol 50 mg/ED Nolvadex10-20 MG/Day

PCT
16-18 Clomid Therapy 300mg first day 100mg after that
Nolvadex 40 MG/Day Wk 16
Nolvadex30 MG/Day Wk17
Nolvadex20 MG/Day Wk 18

Srry Mick I just copyed it off my grid that way, Anyhow I was just debateing uping my prop back up to 150 EOD or just leaving it at 100 for those 3 weeks What do you think? Also I noticed you bumped the EQ up in your cycle you posted to the same as the test Eth should I do this as well will I see better gains?

As for timeing of the shots can I mix my EQ and Test Eth together and take them on the same days Mon and Thures? Thx again for the help and man I am getting pumped to run this gear I almost have all the gear I need and I am just waiting for my post cards to finish this off and to run it!

[mickeymbbc]

Weeks 1-12
Testosterone Enanthate/ 600 mg EQ 400 mg Dbol 40 - 50 mg/ED Nolvadex10-20 MG/Day

week 13
Testosterone Enanthate/ 600 mg Winstrol 50 mg/ED Nolvadex10-20 MG/Day

week 14-15
Testosterone Prop 100mg EOD Winstrol 50 mg/ED Nolvadex10-20 MG/Day

PCT
16-18 Clomid Therapy 300mg first day 100mg after that
Nolvadex 40 MG/Day Wk 16
Nolvadex30 MG/Day Wk17
Nolvadex20 MG/Day Wk 18

Srry Mick I just copyed it off my grid that way, Anyhow I was just debateing uping my prop back up to 150 EOD or just leaving it at 100 for those 3 weeks What do you think? Also I noticed you bumped the EQ up in your cycle you posted to the same as the test Eth should I do this as well will I see better gains?

As for timeing of the shots can I mix my EQ and Test Eth together and take them on the same days Mon and Thures? Thx again for the help and man I am getting pumped to run this gear I almost have all the gear I need and I am just waiting for my post cards to finish this off and to run it!

Its up to you brutha, it really depends on your exp/tolerence. I think that you will be fine running it at 100mg, because its going to help you PCT run much smoother anyway. As far as upping your EQ, it all varies on how well you keep your diet in key the ENTIRE CYCLE(That means no cheating/cheat days) THAT SHOULDN'T EVEN BE IN YOUR VOCABULARY WHEN DOING CYCLE. EQ has a habbit of sky rocketing peoples blood pressure too, so keep a tight watch on that also.


Good luck brutha, hit me up if you need anything else.



-mick

[rugbyholy]

Thx Mick for the great info I was just wondering about mixing the EQ and the test Eth together and doing the shots on Mon and Thuresday? Is the way to do it or should I take them seperatly on those days? Thx

[mickeymbbc]

Thx Mick for the great info I was just wondering about mixing the EQ and the test Eth together and doing the shots on Mon and Thuresday? Is the way to do it or should I take them seperatly on those days? Thx

Sorry brutha, I miss that part. YES.. MIX THEM TOGETHER



-MICK

[akia]

Hi,

considering a 2nd cycle (first was transdermal tren and winny... cut well)

25mg dbol/wk 1-3
250mg sustanon/week 1-10
200mg deca/week 1-10
50mg/winny ed week 11-12

the dbol just to get things kicked off... the sust/deca to keep it going... and the winny at the end to ease into pct

have clomid and novaldex on hand if needed

any suggestions?

[mickeymbbc]

Hi,

considering a 2nd cycle (first was transdermal tren and winny... cut well)

25mg dbol/wk 1-3
250mg sustanon/week 1-10
200mg deca/week 1-10
50mg/winny ed week 11-12

the dbol just to get things kicked off... the sust/deca to keep it going... and the winny at the end to ease into pct

have clomid and novaldex on hand if needed

any suggestions?

This isn't you thread brutha, PLEASE START YOUR OWN SO WE CAN HELP YOU OUT!!



-MICK

[jstforme]

Hi,

considering a 2nd cycle (first was transdermal tren and winny... cut well)

25mg dbol/wk 1-3
250mg sustanon/week 1-10
200mg deca/week 1-10
50mg/winny ed week 11-12

the dbol just to get things kicked off... the sust/deca to keep it going... and the winny at the end to ease into pct

have clomid and novaldex on hand if needed

any suggestions?

you probably should have started a new thread, i would bump dbol up to 40 and keep it for 4-6 weeks, you'll like the gains. my frist cycle i did 500 mg test enanthate, and LOVED the results. if your only going to do one shot of testosterone a week you need to be doing something with a longer ester such as cypionate or enanthate, like i said though i would do 500mg. Ive never done deca, but i would also bump that up to 400mg, 200 just seems too far on the low end.