Guys Want too Much From The Gear!

[BigO]

I've noticed a trend here and it's quite alarming...

Alot of guys are using short cycles being from 10- 12 weeks and there trying bulking in the begining and cutter's at the end....The alarming thing is they want all this from these very short cycles....

Guys you have to realize that most are wanting way to much from the gear there taking...For instance d-bol for 4-5 weeks then tren /prop and what ever there taking.There's no gain to be made...just when the d- bol starts working you jump off and change to something else....It just can't work like that...I'm 47 and have been at this for a little while and it's very confusing reading some of these threads....

It makes more sense either to do a cutter if your b/f is too high and then a bulker or a bulker and then a cutter...There's just not enough time in a 10 week cycle to accomplish this effectively...IMO...Your wasting your money on something that's just not planned out very well...

For instance when I'm on I'll do a 20-30 week cycle and change gear around the 12th week...I certainly don't recomend this for someone with little or no experience ...I hope you realize that I've been using since 1980...and I certainly made my share a silly mistakes....

I would sit back look at what you need cutter or bulker....And then stick to the correct gear for the 12 week cycle..get off with the right PCT..and then the next cycle then try the cutter or another bulker....Some guys are relying way to much on the gear and looking at it from a logical perspective..

I've also noticed that alot of guys are just buying shit with no planned out cycle and no PCT in place....I would lay out my cycle and then buy all the gear you need for that cycle including the PCT...

I'm not flaming anyone here I'm just making everyone aware of the mistakes I made 25+years ago.....My cycles back then was like this...16 weeks

Test E & C 6 cc's e/w
Dianobol for 12 weeks as much as 15 e/d
Anadrol for 6-8 weeks tapering up to 7 e/d
Finaject 3 cc's e/w
Bolasterone when I could get it..
Hcg when we could get it for the Pct.sometimes go off cold turkey
Clean up 8 weeks and then start the same cycle for years and years....Yes when I started I was about 175-180 when I quite I was 267 with 30" legs,21" neck 54" chest...Squating in the middle 7's benched 480 and dead lifted 705...
I had 2 tumors in my stomach...I now have 2 degenrative disc's ,2 fucked up knee's and my left one will be cut open again later this month for the 3rd time.I also think I have a small tear in my right knee all at the young age of 47...I've made all these mistakes...Now I'm a whole lot wiser and don't want anyone to make these same mistakes I did....

Good LUck Guys!

[Steel_Test]

I notice the trend also, being that when I first started I got all my info the net.
My gains would go up the down. If yopur goal is to grow You have to do more than a 10 week cycle. Well hell my last cutting cycle went for near 1 year switching to bulk probably twice.

[alan1973]

some don't have the time I guess.
I use recreationally and since I only go to the gym 1-3 times a week, I am still happy with the results I get from so little training. as a family man live 1 hour from work, I have no time. I sneak in a work out when work gets slow enough that I can take a lunch long enough to get a decent workout. If I can get away for 75 or more minutes, it's not worth it.

[zozom]

I am glad to have choose something correct for my first cycle,
I m doing a crazy cycle of 16weeks :D
Using Deca/Proviron/Test P/Test E and Sust. And yes that is a Bulking cycle :D

[Alin]

I agree with some points and disagree on others.

[kmoe7]

trust me bro you can gain in 12 weeks of the gear run test E for 12 weeks and see how much u gain

[flexmuscles2006]

The longest I will go is 14wks no further.

[Kaiser]

I dont know what you're talking about BigO. I always take the right amount... Check out my back after my last cycle... :D

[flexmuscles2006]

I dont know what you're talking about BigO. I always take the right amount... Check out my back after my last cycle... :D
Ha Ha damn Big Foot.

[Chretien2946]

I agree. Most guys expect too much from their gear. I still feel the #1 ingredient is a perfect diet. Without that, you are shortchanging yourself.

[ironfreak83]

I have to totally agree with the longer cycles to really make the gains you want.
the first cycle i did i didnt even notice anything till like the 3rd week. and regardless of what you're taking, it does take a lot of time and effort to build muscle and strength. 6 weeks just isn't enough time to build the gains people are looking for. also, you can't just buy a bunch of juice and expect to turn into
Coleman in a few weeks. it takes a lot of time, dedication, a hardcore diet, and very very intense training. you gotta make the juice work for you by turning it on with crazy ass psycho workouts.

[mike61704]

trust me bro you can gain in 12 weeks of the gear run test E for 12 weeks and see how much u gain

100% on point here, a good pct and 12 weeks of test you would be surprised.

[bobbyrlg]

12 weeks is plenty long for a cycle. The longer you stay on AAS the more likely it is that your body will shutdown and you will have a hell of a time trying to retain your gains.

[bigc100]

12 weeks is plenty long for a cycle. The longer you stay on AAS the more likely it is that your body will shutdown and you will have a hell of a time trying to retain your gains.
Agreed! This is not a quick process. You can only add so much muscle per year. Go with the standard 10-12 week cycles, go off, and then hit it again in a few months. Longer cycles are for guys and gals who compete and have to do it in order to stay competetive. C

[alan1973]

but what about with the safer ones such as Anavar, winny, Oral Turinabol. I have heard of folks never taking a break and just taking liv-52 to help their liver values.
i'm just curious about how long of a cycle with primo can be tolerated.

[Milky87]

Test E & C 6 cc's e/w
Dianobol for 12 weeks as much as 15 e/d
Anadrol for 6-8 weeks tapering up to 7 e/d
Finaject 3 cc's e/w
Bolasterone when I could get it..
Hcg when we could get it for the Pct.sometimes go off cold turkey
Clean up 8 weeks and then start the same cycle for years and years....Yes when I started I was about 175-180 when I quite I was 267 with 30" legs,21" neck 54" chest...Squating in the middle 7's benched 480 and dead lifted 705...

What was our experience with bolasterone like?

[theshiz777]

good points all. Personally I think if your running multiple compounds, 12 weeks is more than enough. If you are taking some of the harsher substances like tren or drol, an avg. of 6 weeks is more than enough (from 4-8 weeks). Test is another story, if low to medium dose, you could go longer than 12 weeks, hell ive know people in test for a year straight. But remember with long cycles, you can greatly increase the chances of unwanted side effects, and or causing permanent harm to your body. I think this is why the trend with short term multiple compounds has been in effect latley. With all the new research out there and all the few new substances out there we have learned how to utilize steroids to deem very effective in a shorter period, and by doing so lowering the chance of side effects. I think that this is the therory behind short more plentiful cycles. have a good day alinboard

[camarozl1]

i have been using for three years, for only 12 week cycles and i have always made good gains. only thing i would agree bout would be you could keep more of your size if you stayed on longer maybe?

[utstacked]

14 and 16 week cycles? wow, i thought 8-10 weeks was a good cycle. I want to get big but not at the cost of having serious health problems later down the road. isn't it just as important to have a off cycle to let the liver not to mention other things to heal up before slamming in into the system again? :confused:

[Matti]

Longer cycles are the way to go, carefullt planned and executed with good diet and training. you can tell which individuals are doing the short cycles compared to the long ones. The short cycler (would cyclist be more appropiate??) looks artificially blown up, as much of his mass is water and stored glycogen as compared to rock hard, dense muscle built through time, training, diet and AS.

I am just graduating from school so i get to see the 8-10 week cycler all the time. I am not genetically blessed, but my vascularity and density blows alot of people away on campus. I don't think you can achieve a high level of vascularity or density without long cycles. And it is because I stay on for 6 months at a time. his isn't for everyone. Are there more risks? Probably. But I use injectable testosterone and occasionly fina. No orals. So I don't think its that crazy.

I also think people expect so much from gear. Gear should be the last part of an equation to get big, not the first. Only when everything is in perfect working order should AS be part of the mix. Alot of people use it as a crutch. I was guilty of this early in my training.

Hope someone got something out of this.