To drol or not to drol

[JILANI]

I am debating on whether or not to take anodrol. This series of questions goes out to those who have taken anodrol. I researched anodrol in the past and found out that it does more harm than good. I learned that while it can make a person huge in like the blink of an eye it is extremely toxic to the liver and that a person should not take it for more than 3wks because he/she will lose all they've gained within days also that bile is secreted throughout the body causing it to have a yellowish/orange piment :eek: . The closest I ever got to anodrol was a liquid anodrol I got off the internet that I was to rub on my skin (arms,chest, and abs) it didnt do what the company promised. I wanted to buy the massive cycle after I'm done with the 8wk bulk, or perhaps just buy them seperate w/something else. So, what is the best way to take them without turning orange? can they be taken alone?(I've taken dbols and sustenon alone with nice results) if so what to take to heal the liver? I have a whole set of clomid,arimidex and nolvadex. If I left anything out I'll ask at another time. By the way I'm sorry for those of you who havent recieved your gear I've always gotten mine in record time and thats good because my wife buys all my gear for me. I dont want to have to tell her they havent shown. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. "I want to get HUGE cause LARGE isnt BIG enough!!!"

[jstforme]

i would stick with dianabol. anadrol is very hepatoxic which you found out can cause jaudice BUT thats not all, anything from headaches, stomach aches vomiting diarrhea nausea are common too. i dont know where you got your information from but you can use it up to 6 weeks MAX, just be smart and get your liver values checked regularly. oxymetholone can be taken by its self, anywhere from 50-100 mg, but gains are going to be almost impossible to keep afterwards. as far as nolvadex and antis like that go you need to realize that more than half of anadrols anabolic action comes from anadrol activating the estrogen receptor, so the more antis you take the less gains you will have. all in all i wouldnt take it, especially alone, if anything use it to kickstart another cycle but even then i would use dbol.

[jrmuscle]

ive taken anadrol dbol anavar oral andriol which is test and others even the liquid anadrol(junk). from experience do not take anadrol unless you are using to start a cylce. even then youll still lose alot of muscle size and strength. overall dbol is the best choice it is less toxic easier on your organs and youll keep gains better if you take with something else. good luck

[sumkindaanimal]

I liked the size and strength gains I got from drol, but it killed my appetite after the third week. I will stick with dbol for now on.

[Gregalmighty]

Im a thick fuck and adrol is a water gainer. go with the age old dianabol

[Alin]

anadrol is one my best orals. i only use for 3-4 wks at 50-100mg day, then discontinue. works well for me this way.

[JILANI]

As always thank you all for the advice, but Alin I must ask, when you discontinue usage how long do you stay off before beginning again? what do you take with it? and how long does the size youve gained remain?

[sTaTic]

I think alin uses this in conjunction with an injectable.

rule of thumb:

AT LEAST

Time on = Time off.

Ex.
8 week cycle - you should at least take 8 weeks off. I find adding 2-4 extra weeks to this works better

so...
10 weeks on 12-14 weeks off
15 weeks on 17-19 weeks off

and so on...

Opinions vary though

[JILANI]

So Static, after the other opinions that were given, and they all (except Alin) said that it would be best to stick with dbols, I ask you have you taken anodrols? if so how long and did you suffer any adverse reaction to it? I ask because if I go ahead and do it(the massive cycle) I would like to know how long would I be "Hulk" before turning back to "Banner". One more thing have you or anyone ever tried the syntherol? I was reading on it and would really like to try it. Now the company says to massage it on yet Big A says to shoot it I know to each his own but whats the best way? Also, I tried contacting them with no response because I want to make a purchase and since I dont use credit cards I cant buy. Has anyone else had this problem? :confused:

[BigO]

Well I used to be a huge anadrol freak...I'm talking 7 e/d for 5-7 weeks and I was a total mad man...I tried it last year and went up to 3 e/d and still was a nut....There's alot of sides to it....I remember my eyes were yellow all the time I'd sleep for 2 hours a nite my b/p was something like 210/120 seriously...I had headaches all the time....Yea i was weighing 267 at 5'9 and was a walking time bomb in quite a few ways.....I'd take diuretics to loose water weight....Back in the early 80's we never had boards or links...all we had was Dan's Underground Steroid handbook.....

Then I found finaject and bolasterone...IMO there's not a better oral made that compares with bolasterone.....

Popint is stay away from drol way to many sides...Save the drol for when your stagnant in training and with the gear....There's nothing stronger than drol...NOTHING....It's like going from weed to heroin in 3 cycles....

[sTaTic]

I have taken anadrol before. I took 1 ED for about 4-5 weeks. I also was on sustenon at 500 mg a week. I blew up big time but with a lot of bloat. My strength skyrocketed and i grew like a weed but the side effects were too much. Acne like I've never had and the water retention was stupid. When I stopped, I just lost water and strength and only gained about 10 lbs after the cycle was all done. I could have got that with sus alone. For me, I dont like it. As a matter of fact, I dont like dbols either but My goals are different now then they were before. I wanted size when i was younger( not that im an old fogie now) but now at 32, I only want quality(all year around).

I have never used synth... I just dont like the idea. Seen too many fuck ups with it. Just lift and earn the size... thats my motto

[Gregalmighty]

I'm right there with you sTaTic. I used drol up to 100mg with sus and bloated bad. I like the quality better than quanity nowdays

[JILANI]

I guess the decision is "not", it seems the disadvantages outweigh the advantages of anodrol, I'll stick with what I know. I agree with Greg "quality is better than quantity" and at 35 I'm not trying to have acne I can get that from dbols and thats already a pain. I asked about the syntherol because it says that if used correctly a person can gain 3" in the arms in 30 days, that sounds like a tasty lure, I mean who wouldnt want that? My bi's are very strong I can curl 150lbs and this is coming from a guy who has wirers on the 3rd ,4th, and 5th vertabrae which I got while serving in the Army. They(my biceps) just dont have the size I want, they are 16". Ive tried so many products from GNC (I have a friend who gives me stuff practically for free) and nothing works. I was going to try Xyience but I'm so tierd of GNC. Thanks for the advice yet again, I hope one day I could help all of you. :)

[jstforme]

I guess the decision is "not", it seems the disadvantages outweigh the advantages of anodrol, I'll stick with what I know. I agree with Greg "quality is better than quantity" and at 35 I'm not trying to have acne I can get that from dbols and thats already a pain. I asked about the syntherol because it says that if used correctly a person can gain 3" in the arms in 30 days, that sounds like a tasty lure, I mean who wouldnt want that? My bi's are very strong I can curl 150lbs and this is coming from a guy who has wirers on the 3rd ,4th, and 5th vertabrae which I got while serving in the Army. They(my biceps) just dont have the size I want, they are 16". Ive tried so many products from GNC (I have a friend who gives me stuff practically for free) and nothing works. I was going to try Xyience but I'm so tierd of GNC. Thanks for the advice yet again, I hope one day I could help all of you. :)

yes you can gain 3" in your arms with synthol but the point that needs to be made is its not muscle, i wouldnt want that. dont go to gnc, they have soem alright products but they are running a freakin monopoly with their own brand over there. pick up a flex or go on bodybuilding.com they have some good training techniques for your arms

[JILANI]

yes you can gain 3" in your arms with synthol but the point that needs to be made is its not muscle, i wouldnt want that. dont go to gnc, they have soem alright products but they are running a freakin monopoly with their own brand over there. pick up a flex or go on bodybuilding.com they have some good training techniques for your arms

Jst I buy flex every month, and have a subscription to Muscle and fittness, I even have Arnolds encyclopedia of modern bodybuilding. I also have different copies of bicep exercises off of the internet bodybuilding.com being one of them. I dont know whats wrong and I dont want to rely on the gear to increase the size because someday I have to stop. Still what do you mean that the gains made from syntherol is not real muscle, I'm curious about that one and always ready to learn something new.

[jstforme]

synthol is a sight enhancer, yes your going to hear that it makes room in the muscle facia to build muscle faster blah blah i dont give a F, its a sight enhancer! meaning that if you have some lagging muscle groups you can size them up to get a more symetrical look. with that being said, for the most part they only time your going to need this is for on stage only. dude if i saw you with 19 inch arms curling 150 i would seriously have doubts as to whats really in your arm.

[JILANI]

I see so what you are saying is that while it may give a person size there is no strength is that correct? Sounds pretty cheap that reminds me of when I was a kid they were selling inflatable hulk muscles to be worn under the clothes.

[jstforme]

I see so what you are saying is that while it may give a person size there is no strength is that correct? Sounds pretty cheap that reminds me of when I was a kid they were selling inflatable hulk muscles to be worn under the clothes.

correct, all size, no strength increace, hulk muscles give you more bang for the buck IMO

[BigO]

The magazines are a big waste of time and money...Come on guys they lay out there routines and follow this and buy that...It's all a big fucking lie.....These guys are on year round and use more gear than probably 5 of us put together....there using growth and designer gear and then they make there little bit of money telling what everyone wants to hear...Gain 5" in your arms in 12 weeks.....and to top it off they sell this bullshit supplements that sound like real gear and it's all fucking bullshit....
Get Real!

[BigO]

Arnold was chewing dianobol like most people eat french fries...Yes Arnold was a genetic freak you can't take that from him...He was absolutely insane with the juice...FACT...

Look at Coleman....That's some serious growth hormone....Jay Cutler we know his source too...These guys are eating and juicing machines.....And there on year round and for years at a time...FACT...

[sTaTic]

I dont know whats wrong and I dont want to rely on the gear to increase the size because someday I have to stop.


Bro,

It is possible to keep most of your gains when coming off gear for good. once you learn how many calories you need to maintain your size, have a good diet set and you have a solid pct after your last cycle, you would be suprized at how much you can keep. I came off for 2-3 years and kept 90%+ of my size and strength. When i started again, the cycle was almost as good as the first i ever did. Just something to think about ;)

[sTaTic]

The magazines are a big waste of time and money...Come on guys they lay out there routines and follow this and buy that...It's all a big fucking lie.....These guys are on year round and use more gear than probably 5 of us put together....there using growth and designer gear and then they make there little bit of money telling what everyone wants to hear...Gain 5" in your arms in 12 weeks.....and to top it off they sell this bullshit supplements that sound like real gear and it's all fucking bullshit....
Get Real!


Amen brutha!!! :D

[JILANI]

Bro,

It is possible to keep most of your gains when coming off gear for good. once you learn how many calories you need to maintain your size, have a good diet set and you have a solid pct after your last cycle, you would be suprized at how much you can keep. I came off for 2-3 years and kept 90%+ of my size and strength. When i started again, the cycle was almost as good as the first i ever did. Just something to think about ;)


I usually maintain my size whether I'm lifting or not which is between 210 and 215lbs, I'm on the diet that you recommended (fish,water,veg), and the pec workout that Mick gave me and both are working very well. Big O is right about the magazines most if not all say "get BIG GUNS", or Ripped in 12 wks, and so on. Even without lifting I look like I am which is a good thing especially where I live ,its just my b'is lack the size I want which is why I was considering the anodrols but because of my disability no matter how heavy or how light I lift they wont grow. :(

[sTaTic]

have you ever tried incline hammer curls?

Sit back in an incline bench. about 45 degree angle. grab 2 dumbells and drop em down to your side. now do alternating hammer curls. this works the muscle under the bicep and makes the arms bigger.

start with less weight then you think you can do and do them right. Control the weight and concentrate. Tell me how your arms feel a couple days later ;)

[JILANI]

I'll try the hammers tommorrow, and I'll be be shure to let you know how I progress. You know it's funny shortly after reading some articles on the steroidprofile site( I had some questions about prgenyl, I still dont know what i.u is, (clomid and eq.)so besides the i.u I got my answers. It pays to read, then I come across the thread that Mick put out about the questions he's been getting it's almost as if they are asking him to go to their homes and inject their asses for them. I hope my questions are not that ridiculous if I ever ask a foolish question please tell me. I have never heard of "sniffing gear" thats a dangerous question to ask even to think it. That reminds me of Pulp Fiction when Uma Thurman sniffed Heroin.

[sTaTic]

IU stands for International Units and is used for the measurement of drugs and vitamins.

Webster's defines IU as: a quantity of a biologic (such as a vitamin) that produces a particular biological effect agreed upon as an international standard

What this means is that IU is dependent on the potency of the substance, and each substance would have a different IU to milligram conversion. For example, 1000 IU of Vitamin C would have a different weight than 1000 IU of Vitamin A

Since each substance would have a different conversion ratio, we cannot put up a conversion for IU to milligrams that covers everything, or even most things. Just too many different substances.

So what can you do?

Your best bet would be to contact your pharmacist. They have all the information anyone could ever want about drugs and vitamins.

You could also contact the manufacturer of the vitamin. Most manufactures will have a web site with contact information so you can email them. Try searching the web using the manufactures name or the name of the vitamin.

[JILANI]

I wanted to know what i.u's are because I have 2 vials of pregnyl, the site says to take it evry 4-5 days and I just wanted to know how much do I put into the 3ml pins I have. The site doesnt say how much to put in. I know that I dont necesserily have to take them because I can just do the clomid after my cycle is over, yet it's still good to know how take it. :)

[jstforme]

I wanted to know what i.u's are because I have 2 vials of pregnyl, the site says to take it evry 4-5 days and I just wanted to know how much do I put into the 3ml pins I have. The site doesnt say how much to put in. I know that I dont necesserily have to take them because I can just do the clomid after my cycle is over, yet it's still good to know how take it. :)

this is probably one of the most controversial topics, how much and how often to take hcg, i think youll be safe with 500 IUs, if you have atrophied balls then you definitly need it.

[JILANI]

My balls are still healthy thank God, I'll be starting my next cycle in about 2wks so I want to be ready and know all I need to know, I in the past would do cycles without any recouping meds, yet my liver is still fine, kidneys, testes and such all fine, but now at my age I dont want to mess around so thats why I need to know about the healing.

You stay classy Alinboard!! :)

[Big A]

I see so what you are saying is that while it may give a person size there is no strength is that correct? Sounds pretty cheap that reminds me of when I was a kid they were selling inflatable hulk muscles to be worn under the clothes.

jstforme doesn't know shit about this subject, so stop listed to his dribble!

About your HCG question, HCG should only be used during a cycle - every 4 weeks. Using HCG after a cycle is one of the dumbest things you can do!

[Tyree33]

I don't know where this thread went, just a bunch of muscleheads chattin I guess which is fuckin cool, thats what these boards are for, right? But if u want to go big w/ orals drol and dbol are gonna give u the best results. I've done both many times (not together of course). U can expect sides from both but IMO Dbol is a better choice. When I take drol I get terrible headaches which alone can put u in a bad mood let alone it's rep for the "rage", and it's quite a bit harder on your body. With dbol I feel good mentally, almost a feeling of well-being. And the acne that drol gave me lasted about 3 mo after I was done no matter what antiacne drugs I took. I'm not saying that drol is a bad drug, many bb's love it, just giving my personal exp. w/ it. And sorry to say jstforme, but big A is right on the $ about HCG. Let us know which way u go. Good luck Jilani, we're always here to help bud. -T-

[sTaTic]

jstforme doesn't know shit about this subject, so stop listed to his dribble!

About your HCG question, HCG should only be used during a cycle - every 4 weeks. Using HCG after a cycle is one of the dumbest things you can do!

Big A,

If you were to take hcg every 4 weeks during a cycle, what amount would you use? Would it depend on the gear used? For example:

If one did a cycle of test and anadrol for 12 weeks (anadrol ran much shorter than the test) how many iu of hcg would you use every 4 weeks?

or

If one did a cycle of EQ and winny for 16 weeks (winny ran much shorter than the EQ) how many iu would you use every 4 weeks?

I only ask this because I have done hcg both during and after cycles and I'm not sure if I have seen any benefit during a cycle. I think My dosages were wrong. I used 500 iu every other week.

Also, would you then start the nolva and/or clomid at the proper times after the cycle?

Thanks in advance

[BigO]

I totally agree with Big A on this...HCG for your pct is absolute bullshit.....I prefer clomid 2 weeks after my last injection but sometimes I'll do a maintenance dose between cycles of test and or a little deca.....I'm 47 I can get away with it....Save the hcg for when your using alot of tren or deca... tren is extremely hard on your system and deca in large doses could get the jewels dried up a little...I prefer proviron...I'm not a big fan of hcg but that's my body as we all know were all different...arm..would be an even better..

There's also some dry test out there that already has the arm..in it....Red Star has some really good dry test...

[BigO]

You can also make gains by extending your cycle to 20-24 weeks use a d-bol or a-drol in the begining for5-8 weeks which ever you prefer chnage gear at week 10-12 and use another oral at the end of the cycle..like d-bol or drol...In other words your getting 2 bulking orals twice in your cycle and taking a break in the middle...or some people like the var at the end...to each his own.....
I know some don't agree with the longer cycles but if you change gear in week 12 and extend it you'll keep alot of those gains...That's where you use the hcg...not as a pct....It's like you guy said he wanted to use t-3 when he was off the gear....It makes no sense....Think first!

[Big A]

As BigO said, it's illogical to use HCG in PCT as it will merely prolong your recovery.

HCG's sole purpose is to be used every 4 weeks to keep the testes at a normal size and to hopefully not let the HPTA fully 'forget' how to function. Nothing more.
You use 500IU M,W,F every 4 weeks and that will be plenty for its purpose.

PCT you do clomid and nolva plus every other non hormonal goodie you can get your hands on.

[sTaTic]

As BigO said, it's illogical to use HCG in PCT as it will merely prolong your recovery.

HCG's sole purpose is to be used every 4 weeks to keep the testes at a normal size and to hopefully not let the HPTA fully 'forget' how to function. Nothing more.
You use 500IU M,W,F every 4 weeks and that will be plenty for its purpose.

PCT you do clomid and nolva plus every other non hormonal goodie you can get your hands on.


Thanks brutha... This clears up a lot. This will help with the next.

[jixxerjim]

IMO anadrol is very hard on the body, it tears up my stomache if I do more than 100mg ed for more than 6 weeks. I get almost as good results doing 9 d-bol ed and its alot easier on the body. Anadrol will definitely help you over a sticking point in your training though. Take Liv-52 or lots of milk thistle with it, this will help your liver values.

[Big A]

Take Liv-52 or lots of milk thistle with it, this will help your liver values.

There's no real medical, fully controlled studies with milk thistle. Or at least I could never find any. Liv-52 is good. Synthergine is better.

[JILANI]

There's no real medical, fully controlled studies with milk thistle. Or at least I could never find any. Liv-52 is good. Synthergine is better.

Where can this liv-52 be found I've never seen it at GNC or any of the local health food stores?

[Big A]

Where can this liv-52 be found I've never seen it at GNC or any of the local health food stores?

Alin has Liv-52. Synthergine is here - www.synthetek.com
You can't get either from GNC.