a few questions for this cycle

[cby]

height :6'1
weight:230
bf:16-18%
here is what I have in mind.
wk 1-4 methanabol 10mg 4times/day
wk 4-12 test E 500mg/wk
wk4-12 deca 400mg/wk

pct
wk15 nolva 40mg + clomid 150mg ed
wk16 nolva 30mg + clomid 100mg ed
wk 17 nolva 20mg + clomid 50mg ed

I was planning on running the methanabol for the first week that I start the test and deca to give them time to kick in. I also have hcg but never used it in pct so I was just wondering if anyone had any suggestions or adjustments for me thanks for the help guys.

[Boman]

You need to start your dbol at the same time as test/deca. The reason you take dbol is because test e takes about 11 days to activate. The dbol jumps starts before your test kicks in. I wont take dbol for more that 4 weeks in a row.

dbol 1-4
test 1-12 500mg
deca 1-12 400mg
dosage is fine.

Or maybe do this:

dbol 1-3 30 to 40mg
test 1-10 600mg
deca 1-10 400mg
dbol 10-11 30 to 40mg

The bottom is how I would run it. Most people dont use dbol at the end though.

[cby]

thanks for the response and help.
would anyone suggest running .25 mg arimidex alongside the cycle or do you think that would inhibit the gains. I have plenty of clomid and nolva to take if I had any problembs come up. any more reviews would help I have done my reaserch but it never hurts with everyone on the forum behind you helping you out thanks

[jstforme]

how much dianabol daily are you going to take? you can take it up to 6 weeks and personally i would or at least 5, testosterone and deca will help keep gains made off dbol. so dont worry about the dramatic weight and strenth loss, about your pct, dont even worry about the clomid, just stick with the nolvadex, it wil be all you need. i wouldnt worry about the armidex either but good to have though.

[arnold jr]

height :6'1
weight:230
bf:16-18%
here is what I have in mind.
wk 1-4 methanabol 10mg 4times/day
wk 4-12 test E 500mg/wk
wk4-12 deca 400mg/wk

pct
wk15 nolva 40mg + clomid 150mg ed
wk16 nolva 30mg + clomid 100mg ed
wk 17 nolva 20mg + clomid 50mg ed

I was planning on running the methanabol for the first week that I start the test and deca to give them time to kick in. I also have hcg but never used it in pct so I was just wondering if anyone had any suggestions or adjustments for me thanks for the help guys.

Changes:

wk 1-4 dbol 40mg ed
wk 1-15 sust 750mg wk
wk 1-13 deca 400mg wk
wk 8-13 winny 50mg ed
wk-1-12 arimidex 1mg eod
wk 1-12 hcg 500iu e5d

Here is why I made the changes:
1. I changed the test-e to sust based on personel prefrence... although test-e is fine, I feel sust is a much smoother ride, and plus you will start reaping the benifits of the test almost instantly because of the prop in sust

2 I did not like your test/deca ratio... it is very important when using deca to make sure you are taking in enough test to ensure you don't shut yourself down.

3. An aromatase inhibitor such as arimidex is allways a good thing to take when using deca, it will keep the bloat from overwhelming you... and you can easily up the dose of this stuff if needed... want hurt anything

4. I always like droping the deca 2 or 3 wks before a cycle ends. Ending a cycle abrubtly instead of tappering off is never a good idea... it's much easier on you to do it the slow, steady, and proper way

5. I added the winny because this will help you solidify your gains at the end as well as harden you up a bit.

[cby]

ill run the arimidex along with the cycle and will adjust the test/deca ratio.
what about the pct with hcg? I think I should run hcg before the nolva and clomid. just wanted advice whether to use it or if i'll be ok with the nolva/clomid only.

[arnold jr]

ill run the arimidex along with the cycle and will adjust the test/deca ratio.
what about the pct with hcg? I think I should run hcg before the nolva and clomid. just wanted advice whether to use it or if i'll be ok with the nolva/clomid only.
Running the HCG at the end will be fine, but you will get more out of it running it during the cycle.

[BigO]

....WAY TO GO ARNOLD JR.......I absolutely believe the same thing...test should always be 60% and your deca no more than 40%...I've seen a few guys recomending running deca way to close to the test and some are actually over the test...It's a big fucking mistake...Your spouse will not love anymore unless your really good with your tongue...j/k..

I would save the hcg for something more harsh like parabolin,fina or any of the tren's...

You could drop the test to 600 and leave your deca where it is....
I would extend the d-bol to 6-8 weeks no more than 8 make sure you have nolva..You'll know by week 4-5 whether gyno is a problem...Deca sholud be cut 2 weeks shorter than your test...It last longer than your test...

Weeks 8-13 winny and var would be an excellent solidifier...also you may consider prop also it's very quick and gets out of your system quickly too..

Then I would take clomid 2 weeks after your last injection....

Arnold Jr. absolutely knows what he's doing...

[cby]

thanks for the help. I wont be using the hcg anyway I got the postcard and it was destroyed. I have recieved everything else without a problem and have been a very happy customer anyways.
I changed the test/deca ratio to 500mg test e/300mg deca. only cause I have been away from using gear for a little while. I don't have any winny on hand so I will run dbol at the end right up to the pct. thanks guys

[mickeymbbc]

You need to start your dbol at the same time as test/deca. The reason you take dbol is because test e takes about 11 days to activate. The dbol jumps starts before your test kicks in. I wont take dbol for more that 4 weeks in a row.

dbol 1-4
test 1-12 500mg
deca 1-12 400mg
dosage is fine.
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Follow this, its a very good suggestion.....


-mick

[cby]

currently on week three and getting good results from dbol gains,diet and training

[arnold jr]

Follow this, its a very good suggestion.....


-mick
I take it you don't subscribe to the philosophy of keeping your test/deca ratios a bit farther apart? What about the progesterone sides and suppression...don't you think this should be taken into consideration? I say this because a lot of guys experience these negative side affects with deca use, or are afraid of deca and never use it because of the possible progesterone sides and suppression...but there fear is unfounded, and these sides are preventable with the proper dosage of test. I think test/deca ratios should always be kept at a 2/1 ratio at least. What say you?

[mickeymbbc]

I take it you don't subscribe to the philosophy of keeping your test/deca ratios a bit farther apart=YES I DO? What about the progesterone sides and suppression...don't you think this should be taken into consideration=IF YOU WERE SMART YOU WOULD KNOW ABOUT THAT BEFORE YOU START, ALONG WITH KNOWING YOUR BODY? I say this because a lot of guys experience these negative side affects with deca use, or are afraid of deca and never use it because of the possible progesterone sides and suppression...but there fear is unfounded, and these sides are preventable with the proper dosage of test. I think test/deca ratios should always be kept at a 2/1 ratio at least. What say you?

YOU CAN ALSO CONTERACT PROGESTERONE SIDES WITH ABOUT 600MG B-6, ......BUT, YOU ALREADAY NEW THAT RIGHT!@#@##

GO WITH WHAT YOU KNOW, NOT WHAT YOU READ ALL THE TIME!@#



-MICK

[cby]

sorry I haven't been able to get to a computer for awhile.
I did adjust the test/deca ratio before I started. 500mg test e to 300mg deca and am running .25mg arimidex ed.
I am ok with getting slower results and less/slower gains
I'll run the dbol at the end also up to pct like you have recommended in the past.

[Milky87]

You havent experienced any gains thusfar have you? (im pretty sure its too early even for the test to have kicked in

[cby]

dbol gains so far. 10mg 4 times/day
8 to ten pounds right now it depends but the adex is keeping water retention low though.
just gains from the dbol, good diet and intense training.