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11rdc11
12-29-2005, 05:19 AM
I normally run nolv during my cycle to keep estrogen at control from causing its bad effects but I have heard that it prevents you from getting all the advantages from the juice. Is this true or not?

BigO
12-29-2005, 06:26 AM
IMO...it does...because you use it to lessen the effects of let say d-bol and to keep the estrogen from building up... you do need some estrogen for joints and also it keeps the water retention somewhat lower....Let's face it gear like d-bol,drol and test are gains from excess water retention....I've used the d-bol the cycle before last and got serious gyno in week 5 I immediately jumped on nolva and noticed after 7-10 days my joints were killing me...and I'm sure nolva was the culprit...There's better anti's like proviron,armidex are just a few...
Hope that helps you!

anaholic
12-29-2005, 07:26 AM
i have read that nolvadex did counter react the anabolic effects of steroids and was not desirable to stack with anabolics, it got into some big technical explanaion, but i dont remember it or where i read it.

BigO
12-29-2005, 07:42 AM
It's strictly for anti-gyno...Proviron is much better...IMO

jstforme
12-29-2005, 07:21 PM
ive never ran it strait through a cycle. estrogen increaces growth hormone output and glucose utilization, and upgrades androgen receptor. proviron reduces the amount of estrogen in the body, nolvadex blocks the esrogen receptor

BigO
12-29-2005, 07:38 PM
Proviron keeps little willy working...... nolva doesn't.... so pick your poison....
I'd rather have little willy working and worry about splitting the apple later...

Alin
01-04-2006, 09:34 AM
I normally run nolv during my cycle to keep estrogen at control from causing its bad effects but I have heard that it prevents you from getting all the advantages from the juice. Is this true or not?


i say only if used in too big dose. 10-20mg i think is fine. i prefer arimidex during course and nolva for PCT.

Kaiser
01-04-2006, 07:10 PM
i have read that nolvadex did counter react the anabolic effects of steroids and was not desirable to stack with anabolics, it got into some big technical explanaion, but i dont remember it or where i read it.

Does Arimidex have the same negative affects?

jstforme
01-05-2006, 12:06 AM
the only thing nolvadex counter reacts is estrogen, which(estrogen) is responsible for increacing growth hormone output, upgrading the androgen receptor and improving the utilization of glucose, so it can hinder gains, i wouold only use it as an anti. and unlike clomid, nolvadex has a direct influence on bringing back natural testosterone for PCT, reason being, it seems to increase the responsiveness of LH. but like Alin said you can use arimidex along side it for pct.

sTaTic
01-05-2006, 02:25 AM
proviron is the one to use imo... I swear by it and at only 25 mgs ed. Thats what works for me. I will use it with every cycle I do.

11rdc11
01-10-2006, 09:02 AM
Doesn't proviron bind very well to SHBG causing more free circulating testosterone in your body? Also, I hear that you need estrogen in the body to take full advantage of the juice as some other people have said but then how do we explain the gains made from tren and turnabol? These compounds don't aromatize.

mickeymbbc
01-14-2006, 10:45 PM
I normally run nolv during my cycle to keep estrogen at control from causing its bad effects but I have heard that it prevents you from getting all the advantages from the juice. Is this true or not?

It all depends on how heavy that you run your cycle and what you run??


-mick