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alan1973
01-19-2007, 07:51 AM
OK, I have found that Winny make me get minor gyno symptoms.
i am shotgunning tren E, Test E and Deca (and at very low amounts) and i am getting gyno symptoms AFTER ONLY ONE WEEK!! And I am taking .5gr A-dex EOD!
Are there any AAS (injectable/oral) other than anavar that doesn't cause problems for gyno prone guys like me?!

bobbyrlg
01-19-2007, 08:00 AM
Your problem is you're taking tren and deca at the same time, they are both progesterones which can cause gyno just like too much estrogen. Also that's a low dose of adex, progesterone can only be activated with estrogen present. So bump up the adex dose and drop either the tren or the deca.

alan1973
01-19-2007, 09:35 AM
Your problem is you're taking tren and deca at the same time, they are both progesterones which can cause gyno just like too much estrogen. Also that's a low dose of adex, progesterone can only be activated with estrogen present. So bump up the adex dose and drop either the tren or the deca.

I am only taking 100mg/wk of those.
But I see your point. I only have one vial so I will have to wait till week five to drop the tren and Deca. (I mixed Stealth tren E, Test E and Deca in one vial). But I will go ahead and up the Adex to 1gr/day.
I just also ordered some dostinex to help.
Thanks for the info.

alan1973
01-19-2007, 12:14 PM
Yeah! Your best bet is to go with oral-turinabol. It costs but saves on the anti-estrogens. Proviron or arimidex is a must.
I am gonna also add some nolva to assist with what I have developed. but that means I will need to order more for PCT.

I think my next cycle will be test E with one or more of the following:
EQ
Primo (Depot or tabs)
Winny
Anavar
Masteron
Oral-turinabol
along with Liv-52 for protection.
I will still need A-dex during cycle and Nolva/clomid for PCT.
I was considering trying Oral Test Prop(sublingual). But I am looking for more feedback on those.

SAWADEEKROB
01-19-2007, 08:43 PM
drop the nolva and arimidex. If you are experiencing symptoms with such a low dose you are over sensitive to estrogen. Use Letrozole. .25 ED or a little Higher (gradually 1) until symptoms go away. Then after 1 week at the higher dose, reduce back to .25.

JW
01-20-2007, 07:00 AM
Tren does not aromatize.

Alin
01-20-2007, 08:59 AM
OK, I have found that Winny make me get minor gyno symptoms.
i am shotgunning tren E, Test E and Deca (and at very low amounts) and i am getting gyno symptoms AFTER ONLY ONE WEEK!! And I am taking .5gr A-dex EOD!
Are there any AAS (injectable/oral) other than anavar that doesn't cause problems for gyno prone guys like me?!

I doubt the Winstrol is giving you gyno,,,not very common or typical of this AAS.
The gyno may be coming from the tren E and Deca in that case you need to get yourself some bromo or dostinex.

alan1973
01-20-2007, 10:30 AM
I doubt the Winstrol is giving you gyno,,,not very common or typical of this AAS.
The gyno may be coming from the tren E and Deca in that case you need to get yourself some bromo or dostinex.

Thanks Alin, I ordered some Dostinex yesterday and will probably be here in about 2 weeks.
Till then I am upping the A-dex and taking Nolva.

alan1973
01-24-2007, 10:58 PM
I suggest that you have your blood check for the estrogens level in it. Any further workouts and use of AAS can cause you to get worse. Don't tell your doctor nothing, just say problem from birth. Next thing
some HGH or TRT .BET!

but won't the doc see the test is elevated as well?

alan1973
01-25-2007, 06:34 AM
This is what I have done in the past before a blood test or screening, continued
to exercise, taken protein supplements, went on a vegetarian diet, plenty of water and juice. Don't take any AAS for thirty before doctor visit. You want that test level to go down some and your continued exercising will help to "disquise" the test as "increased testosterone levels due to increased muscular activity". That's what my report read. DOC didn't even now the difference!! Estrogen and gyno comes from exercising and most doctors know this fact. Tell your doctor that you've had this "problem from childhood"! Play the "smart idiot" role with your doctor. Fool them!!! Remember you must be believable. Workout, watch your diet and take some anti-estrogens also. Good luck to You!!

Thanks, i appreciate this info!!!

alan1973
01-30-2007, 11:31 AM
It amazes me that people would just start popping these drugs in themselves without first researching them first...Winstrol is not causing your gyno. It does not aromatize...it does a very small amount, but not enough to give you what you are experiencing. I agree with the above...it is the nandrolones causing your problems. Rethink your cycle...I wouldnt recommend lying to your doctor...but thats just me. When a patient comes to see me, I can tell if a person is lying by just asking a few questions. You guys must have some dumb doctors! :D

well, when I was running only Winny for 2 months, something sure made me "perky" and sensitive.

crfpilot14
01-30-2007, 08:15 PM
It can theoretically cause gyno, but very rarely. If you are extremely prone to it, then you should run a moderate dose aromatase inhibitor with all of your cycles.

FThor1117
01-30-2007, 09:46 PM
Where is a site to get bromo or dostinex? Will that help with thw gyno caused from progestorone?