The point of diminishing returns

[hismadnessty]

Money's tight, and steroids are sweet but is it really worth the expensive stacks? I mean, I could buy a ton of test E for the same price as I could pay for one stack. For example: For $520 you could get 160mL of stealth test (enough to run 750 mg/wk for 53.3 weeks).That's enough for 5 10 week cycles (for the less mathematically inclined). Assuming that time on = time off, this should last about 2 years. However, dropping the same amount of money on 1 or maybe even 2 cycles isn't out of the question.

Mainly my question is this: My first cycle was straight test E (500 mg/wk). My second cycle was 500 mg Test E, 600 mg Eq, and 50 mg oral Winnie/day (last 6 weeks) and my results were'nt that much better. Since we've talked a lot about not thinking what your current cycle is going to give you, but rather what you're gonna get out of your next 3 cycles, wouldn't it make sense to do 5 cycles of test E, than 1-2 cycles of stacks if money is tight? :confused:

[J-Birdo]

Stacks are nice because they keep options open for your body. If you did just Test E over the next 5 yrs, by the end of that 5 yrs, I would be curious to know how much Test E you had to shoot to get your body to respond. (IMO)

[hooker]

If you can't do it with test, then it can't be done.

[abadseal]

It's not a secret that many drugs have synergy together. You could use less dosages therefore avoiding worse side effects while getting better results. I'd rather spend a little more, gain more, all the while preventing heavier sides.

Just my 2

[C-man]

Everyone is different, maybe EQ and winni are not your componds?

What were your gains like on the first 2 cycles?

[hismadnessty]

On my first cycle (500mg Test E/wk for 10 wks) I went from 205-230 lbs and my strength went through the roof. My second cycle was 14 weeks and I gained some strength, but not nearly as much. Once again i got up to about 230, but shed some fat. I def noticed the winstrol, because my strength shot up and i started leaning out, but the Eq was borderline unnoticeable. Maybe I should just try new compounds.

[jeter2020]

My first cycle was Test E only 500mg and I gained like 25 pounds also. My second cycle was Test E 600mg with EQ 600mg and I only gained 8 or 9 pounds. I dont like EQ at all I didnt even notice it at all. You are going to gain more on your first cycle than the rest of them also. I would try Test with another compound like Deca or Tren IMO.

[Cracker]

I will just repeat what many others already have. DIET DIET DIET. If your diet wasnt in check for your second cycle then you will not get the results you want. Also, any gain is positive IMO. If you gained then it worked.

[JustBecause]

Money's tight, and steroids are sweet but is it really worth the expensive stacks? I mean, I could buy a ton of test E for the same price as I could pay for one stack. For example: For $520 you could get 160mL of stealth test (enough to run 750 mg/wk for 53.3 weeks).That's enough for 5 10 week cycles (for the less mathematically inclined). Assuming that time on = time off, this should last about 2 years. However, dropping the same amount of money on 1 or maybe even 2 cycles isn't out of the question.

Mainly my question is this: My first cycle was straight test E (500 mg/wk). My second cycle was 500 mg Test E, 600 mg Eq, and 50 mg oral Winnie/day (last 6 weeks) and my results were'nt that much better. Since we've talked a lot about not thinking what your current cycle is going to give you, but rather what you're gonna get out of your next 3 cycles, wouldn't it make sense to do 5 cycles of test E, than 1-2 cycles of stacks if money is tight? :confused:

Here is a link to another thread about hormones and receptors... Each substance works a particular way with the body... one substance gives you growth results while another may only enhance your hardness and yet another give you more strength... :)

http://www.alinboard.com/showthread.php?t=5509&highlight=hormones+receptors

[skime]

Keep in mind that you first cycle is always gonna be your best one with the right diet and training of course.