para and test cycle

[dragboat]

wks 1-10 500mg Test Enth
wks 1-10 300mg Tren depot (parabolan)
wks 1-5 50mg D-bol pr day
wks 1-10 400mg B6 pr day
wks 1-10 .5mg Letrozole eod

What do you guys think about this?

[rAJJIN]

Dragboat,
I like the TestE,Para, Dbol combo :)
doses look good on those.

Not sure on the B6 and Letro... I dont have any experience with those myself.
Goodluck!

[mickeymbbc]

wks 1-10 500mg Test Enth
wks 1-10 300mg Tren depot (parabolan)
wks 1-5 50mg D-bol pr day
wks 1-10 400mg B6 pr day
wks 1-10 .5mg Letrozole eod

What do you guys think about this?


Drop the dball down to about 4 weeks, 5 is not needed. If it were me I would run the dball at the end instead of the begining to let the others do there job. Your b-6 and letrozole is fine.


-mick

[dragboat]

WOW hardly any replys

[Hardtwocatch]

Here you go bro... looks good to me, I like dbol at the beginning as well... kind of gives a quick kick start to a cycle...4 to 5 weeks is good. Maybe 4 weeks.... and then towards the end say weeks 8-12 try winny to finish up before pct.

[Cockney nutjob]

Hi Bro,

I know I always seem a bit neg about cycle advice but I'm amazed that anyone can give meaningful feedback on your cycle with out knowing anything about you.
With out some back ground info, such as stats, lifting experience, training prog, diet, current goals, cycle history, previous results and / or reaction to gear, is this your first time with Tren etc how can any helpful feedback be given?
I'm not knocking Bro's on here as there are a lot of knowledgeable guys around but to say a cycle is fine when you know nothing about someone could do a lot of harm.

For what it's worth, unless your a competetive BB I would stay clear of Tren for now. Unless you are a vet who has stop growing using the standard Test/19 nor/ DHT cycles then there are plenty of very good drugs you can use that will give you amazing results without shutting your body down like Tren does.

Assuming you have already reached your natural potential for skeletal muscle growth and assuming you're not a complete novice I'd recommend the stack a pro Bro of mine uses that follows the Test/ 19 Nor/DHT principle:

500-750mg Test E P/W
200-400 Mg of an Anabolic P/W (use either Deca, Eq or Primo)
30 mg ED Oral for 4 weeks (use either Dbol, turinabol, winne etc)
Run 10mg of Nolva ED and take LIV-52 and Milk Thistle and any other organ protectors you can get your hands on.

After 6 weeks get a full blood test, Liver & Kidney function, LH etc and if it all shows up as clear keep going with the injectables. At 8 weeks you can run the Oral for another 4 weeks if you want to, so the Orals are 4on 4off.
Btw, there is no need to come off the injectables as long as the 6 weekly Blood tests etc show up as clear and that your still making progress and your receptors are not down.

Diet will play the biggest part but that's for another discussion.

Btw, If you are going to run the Tren do not do it for more than 6 weeks as the sides can be horrendous.

Best of luck Bro,

C nj

[shivastool]

Bump Cockney on this. Excellent advice!
Just finished a Test/EQ with OT at the front and Winny at the end and wonderful results. Going for next with Test/EQ with DBol front and Masteron to finish...slightly higher dosages on the Test/EQ and new chems but same basic principles. Diet and work are really the keys to building the right "look"...and of course solid PCT.

[dragboat]

Thanks cockney... I have had only one cycle before and it was 500 test enth and 400 deca with var at the end of cycle for three weeks. nolva and tribulus involved. very good cycle, Its just that deca and var shut me down preety hard after cycle! Para just seemed so nice!!!

28 years old
185 pounds
5'10"
been working out since 15 years old
P.S. I eat like a horse bout 6 times per day,eggs ,chicken, steak, shakes etc.

D

[rAJJIN]

Hi Bro,

I know I always seem a bit neg about cycle advice but I'm amazed that anyone can give meaningful feedback on your cycle with out knowing anything about you.
With out some back ground info, such as stats, lifting experience, training prog, diet, current goals, cycle history, previous results and / or reaction to gear, is this your first time with Tren etc how can any helpful feedback be given?
I'm not knocking Bro's on here as there are a lot of knowledgeable guys around but to say a cycle is fine when you know nothing about someone could do a lot of harm.

For what it's worth, unless your a competetive BB I would stay clear of Tren for now. Unless you are a vet who has stop growing using the standard Test/19 nor/ DHT cycles then there are plenty of very good drugs you can use that will give you amazing results without shutting your body down like Tren does.

Assuming you have already reached your natural potential for skeletal muscle growth and assuming you're not a complete novice I'd recommend the stack a pro Bro of mine uses that follows the Test/ 19 Nor/DHT principle:

500-750mg Test E P/W
200-400 Mg of an Anabolic P/W (use either Deca, Eq or Primo)
30 mg ED Oral for 4 weeks (use either Dbol, turinabol, winne etc)
Run 10mg of Nolva ED and take LIV-52 and Milk Thistle and any other organ protectors you can get your hands on.

After 6 weeks get a full blood test, Liver & Kidney function, LH etc and if it all shows up as clear keep going with the injectables. At 8 weeks you can run the Oral for another 4 weeks if you want to, so the Orals are 4on 4off.
Btw, there is no need to come off the injectables as long as the 6 weekly Blood tests etc show up as clear and that your still making progress and your receptors are not down.

Diet will play the biggest part but that's for another discussion.

Btw, If you are going to run the Tren do not do it for more than 6 weeks as the sides can be horrendous.

Best of luck Bro,

C nj


Basic "Test/19 nor/ DHT cycles" Lol sorry I shouldnt laugh
But since when is this considered the Basics?
Since your "pro" friend recommends it?

also Curious what "horrendous" sides you experienced from tren?
I agree its not for beginners But Ive never had any Horrendous sides using it.
Please explain more on the dangers of it?

[Cockney nutjob]

OK, if you want me to explain the term basic in this instance I will, I guess I thought that most people using this board would be knowledgable enough to realise the simple fundamentals of our sport but I guess I'm way off the mark there.
So here we go.
By basic I simply mean that if you are serious enough about BB to do gear then at least to it properly.
It makes logical sense that in any stack you use you want the maximum results. By combining the three groups you get maximum results, surely we all know this?
The fact I got the info from a pro is not the point, it simply adds a small amount of cred to the advice being given.
Any athlete using gear can follow the pattern of this 'basic' stack you just amend the quantity and strength of the drugs used, but you stick to the underlying principle, how can you not see that as being basic?
There is loads of info on why the Test/19 Nor/ DHT stack is or should be the base for serious muscle growth, so why can that not be viewed as basic advice. Just because a pro used the same basic principle doesn't mean it is only for beginners.
I can not believe you can't see this and posted such an odd reply.

As for Tren 4 clients of mine used it and all got badly scarred from the acne they developed, they couldn't sleep, had Liver & Kidney problems (including peeing blood) and where turned in to complete A-holes because of the aggresion they developed while using it.
And their MPB was accelerated and it took weeks for their test levels to return to normal.

Anyway, I'm not anti Tren and feel there is a place for it but not before you've exhausted all other options.

If you want to continue this debate post me a PM and we can progress things further.

C nj

[rAJJIN]

OK, if you want me to explain the term basic in this instance I will, I guess I thought that most people using this board would be knowledgable enough to realise the simple fundamentals of our sport but I guess I'm way off the mark there.


:rolleyes:

[rAJJIN]

wow 4 clients ALL scared with acne,couldnt sleep,Liver and Kidney problems
Including Pissing Blood and Turned them into complete assholes. :p
No reason to debate or send pms back and forth, We Just disagree with eachother is all.....You see to me the basic stack would be some
good Ole Test and Deca.... maybe get real crazy and add some dbol :eek:

I am curious though why did you put client Number 2,3, and 4 all through those teraable sides and ruin there health? Why not stop after
you seen first hand the "horrendous" Side effects it give your first "client"?
Or second? Or third? :confused:

[Experiment 626]

Well I`ve got a fire extinguisher but I don`t think I`ll use it because those flames look so pretty.

I guess our board is pretty new yet so people need to sort out thier reputations so everyone knows who to respect. You both have good points but let`s get back to this dudes cycle.

My feedback, run your test for 12 weeks and tell us what you intend to do for PCT.

peace
626

[Cockney nutjob]

Are you always so optuse?
What do you want me to do, lie and make up some lame excuse for not doing Tren? I relayed the facts as I've seen them, simple as that.
And as for your benial comment about 'putting clients through it' I can only give an opinion, if it's ignored then so be it. I can rest easy knowing I gave as much as advise as I could and was 100% open and honest and didn't make anything up.
And if your so much more knowledgable, lets see what thoughts you've got on gear, training et all that make you such an authority that you can pass these sort of comments, on what is clearly such a fundamental and easy to understand principle.

[rAJJIN]

I never claimed to be more knowledgable.
I Just said we disagree on a few things.
Ill leave it at that. Have a good day
Raj

[Cockney nutjob]

OK Raj, we'll agree to disagree on this one.
You have a good day too.
C nj

[rAJJIN]

CNJ,
I do agree with you that we should Have asked more details
about the guy....From the original post I was thinking more along the lines that he was Just
asking if they work well together and if his doses looked ok.

I do agree that Deca or Eq would be a better choice for Dragboat
at this time.... Not primo,imo its to expensive and the end result would be
he will have less muscle and money then if he would use Deca or Eq.

Now the tren Ive tried the pellets, powders, Acetate version, Enanthate,
and the hexabenzylcarbonate (parabolan).
The sides Ive experienced personaly using it on/off for 5-6 years now
(before china powders were even available, had to use cattle implants)

Bad sides for me- (and Only from tren acetate..Para doesnt give me these)
Ocasional Insomnia
Night sweats
Strong chemical taste in lungs Immediatley after Inj (some get "the Cough"

Good sides are-
Mg per Mg its the strongest hormone available Imo
Nothing else like it for strength gains
Its affordable and most of all it WORKS!

I will admit Im half afraid of the acetate now....I dont like that chemical taste
it gives..I deffinatley prefer to spend a little extra for the Parabolan.
seems "for me" to have the same kick without the chemical taste.
Still a bit of insomnia at times But not enough to be a problem.
All in all Tren Kicks ass IMHO and for me and the Guys I know running it
here in my area and across the community here on the web the bennefits
Outweigh the side effects. Once again though Ill say its not for a beginner
and and yes there are better options for Dragboat at this time.
Later bro, No hard feelings here..Thats what these boards are for
Live,learn and share are experiences. Im by no means an expert.

[Cockney nutjob]

Hi Raj,
There are certainly no hard feelings and I agree with you that it's always good to hear other opinions, share experiences etc. Lets face it, none of us has a monopoly on good ideas, so the more we can learn the better.
Anyway Bro , I look forward to our next 'debate' and hearing more of your views on training, diet, contest prep etc.

Cheers Bro,
C nj

[DEADBOLT]

what is the half life of parabolan

[Machola]

i've heard that some people piss reddish when on tren because the tren metabolites in the urine are rusty colored.

[sammarbella]

Thanks cockney... I have had only one cycle before and it was 500 test enth and 400 deca with var at the end of cycle for three weeks. nolva and tribulus involved. very good cycle, Its just that deca and var shut me down preety hard after cycle! Para just seemed so nice!!!

28 years old
185 pounds
5'10"
been working out since 15 years old
P.S. I eat like a horse bout 6 times per day,eggs ,chicken, steak, shakes etc.

D

Wait untill cycle 4 or 5.

Tren is not for you now...no need to.

Your first cycle would be your second.

For your second cycle use Test E 500 and EQ 400 for 1-12, Dbol at 40 mgs ED for 1-4.

Simply and ONLY with this you will see very good gains.

You only need to train VERY hard/short, EAT and REST.

If is not enough for you do a blood check (liver values) starting week 7 if it's ok to 4 more weeks of oral at 9-12.

For this second round i recommend you something with less bloat but good strengh gains like Tbol 50 mgs ED.