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JohnnyPro
12-15-2005, 03:59 AM
Hello, I have decided to take Anavar for my first cycle. I would like to know what else I should take for safety, for example milk thistle. Also what should I take for pct. Thank you.

anaholic
12-15-2005, 05:28 AM
as far as i know anavar has only good side effects,

jstforme
12-15-2005, 06:26 AM
Hello, I have decided to take Anavar for my first cycle. I would like to know what else I should take for safety, for example milk thistle. Also what should I take for pct. Thank you.

i know alin recomends a liver protectant from synthetek.com, you should check that out. i think you need to reconsider your options for your first cycle. the price is steep in my opinion, a 200lb man will take about 40mg daily (.2gm per lb.) times that with 6 weeks and your looking at money that could have gotten you gear that would do a lot more with strength and size but do what you want. i dont think you need pct on anavar, since it doesnt aromatize and negative feedback on natural hormones is very minor

anaholic
12-15-2005, 07:30 AM
I think a persons first cycle should be kept simple, but after that last guy wanted to do decca on his first cycle and the conflict it caused iam tempted to keep my mouth shut
if your doing a anavar only cycle because it is safe
if so consider doing a anavar primobolan stack,they are both very safe steroids and neither one should be underestimated

sTaTic
12-15-2005, 08:24 PM
anavar is a safe product. People have been known to be on it for long periods of time at moderate doses with no effects on liver or kidneys. You should be good to go. My only concern is that doing an anavar only cycle for you first cycle will be a waste. Whats your stats? and goals? I'm sure we can come up with something that is safe but a better cycle for you.

jstforme
12-15-2005, 11:53 PM
anavar is a safe product. People have been known to be on it for long periods of time at moderate doses with no effects on liver or kidneys. You should be good to go. My only concern is that doing an anavar only cycle for you first cycle will be a waste. Whats your stats? and goals? I'm sure we can come up with something that is safe but a better cycle for you.

not so true, just because it isnt as hepatoxic as anadrol or halotestin it still is 17-alpha-alkylated which can cause liver damage if on it a long time. i do agree that we can find him a much better beginner cycle especially if he wont mind the pins.

JohnnyPro
12-16-2005, 12:00 AM
Thanks for the response guys. Here are my stats: 5'8" 180 lbs. bodyfat is around 20% which I will bring down to 15% before I start my cycle. When I was in my twenties I lifted for about 4 years. Then had a long long layoff (got married, had a kid, etc) Now I am 50 but in excellent shape, I resumed weight training a year ago. My main concern is safety and don't mind taking a weaker steroid. Thanks for any advice.

sTaTic
12-16-2005, 12:00 AM
true but i dont think it is necessary to overdose on milk thisle. thats all i was saying... and i did say moderate doses

sTaTic
12-16-2005, 12:02 AM
Thanks for the response guys. Here are my stats: 5'8" 180 lbs. bodyfat is around 20% which I will bring down to 15% before I start my cycle. When I was in my twenties I lifted for about 4 years. Then had a long long layoff (got married, had a kid, etc) Now I am 50 but in excellent shape, I resumed weight training a year ago. My main concern is safety and don't mind taking a weaker steroid. Thanks for any advice.


what about needles?

mickeymbbc
12-16-2005, 01:16 AM
Hello, I have decided to take Anavar for my first cycle. I would like to know what else I should take for safety, for example milk thistle. Also what should I take for pct. Thank you.


With your stats, Anavar would ge a great first cycle. It can be taken for long periods of time without messing with your liver, but after while it can be liver toxic.(but thats after a long peroid)

You should always do a PCT when a cycle is done, no matter how mild it is. LAY OUT HOW YOU ARE PLANNING TO RUN IT, ALONG WITH YOUR PCT AND I WILL HELP IF NEEDED.



-MICK

JohnnyPro
12-16-2005, 04:46 AM
With your stats, Anavar would ge a great first cycle. It can be taken for long periods of time without messing with your liver, but after while it can be liver toxic.(but thats after a long peroid)

You should always do a PCT when a cycle is done, no matter how mild it is. LAY OUT HOW YOU ARE PLANNING TO RUN IT, ALONG WITH YOUR PCT AND I WILL HELP IF NEEDED.



-MICK

Mick, I would probably want to run it 6 to 8 weeks max at 40 mg per day. I would probably take a little milk thistle during the cycle, can't hurt. PCT would probably be Nolvadex, not sure when I should start it and for how long. Would eat, sleep, and train full bore. WHat do you think?

mickeymbbc
12-16-2005, 07:32 AM
If you have never took Var before, 40mg will do you good. The longer that you run it, the better. I would run it anyware from 8-10-16 week. Your novadex will start the day after your last pill.

Nova
week 1-40mg
week 2-30mg
week 3-20mg

I hope this helps. "ONE MORE THING" Leave the milk thistle lone, you will not need it anyway. Beleive it or not... most are better off taking in 2 gallons of water a day versus the milk thistle, but they don't know that. They only go off with what they read and not from exp. There are only so many things that you can learn from reading, the rest of it has to come from trail and error. If we all didn't mess up, we wouldn't learn from our mistakes. AND GOD KNOWS, I HAVE MADE A TON OF THEM WHEN I WAS YOUNG.



-mick

sTaTic
12-16-2005, 08:35 AM
If we all didn't mess up, we wouldn't learn from our mistakes. AND GOD KNOWS, I HAVE MADE A TON OF THEM WHEN I WAS YOUNG.



-mick


aint that the truth ;)

JohnnyPro
12-16-2005, 09:03 AM
ok, thanks a lot for the advice. So I will just drink a lot of water and that should take the place of the milk thistle? To tell the truth I'm not too worried about my liver, I know Anavar isn't all that toxic. And as soon as I stop my liver values will return to normal anyway, right?

sTaTic
12-16-2005, 06:47 PM
you are correct

anaholic
12-16-2005, 10:07 PM
on your blood work your liver values are called SGOT and if they are elevated it wouldnt be from the var it would be from something else, if your concerned about your liver look into doing liver cleanses, as far as the water goes it will work prmarily on your kidneys and kind of have a secondary effect on your liver,

jrmuscle
01-01-2006, 05:24 AM
the first gear i took was anavar and i had no problems with my liver. doctors never told me to quit taking the var and i was very open with him too. i did drink a hell of alot of water a day, and that may be why, and as for the milk thistle i only had to take when on dbol. but if you feel like taking it you can it wont hurt you. as for it being used for a first i know from exp i know now that it has to be stacked with something else. from reading alot im mean alot and asking too many questions test enan is good for newbies. well good luck and best wishes

BigO
01-03-2006, 07:18 PM
A little advice listen to mick...I have no experience using a var only cycle...I feel that every cycle should involve some amount of test...IMO