Gyno

[aaparker]

My buddy in in the 9th week of his cycle and and has one more week of winstrol and then he is going to start his PCT which consists of Nova and clomid.
He is running
1-10wks deca
1-4wks dbol
6-10wks winstrol

Since about week 6 he developed about an almond sized lump behind each nipple and it is very sensitive to pressure. My buddy punch him in the chest and he dropped to the floor in pain...Is this Gyno? what are some preventative measure besides waiting out the next week and running the PCT (That is if the PCT does away with the lumps)? If he ran Nova throughtout the cycle would this have prevented the lumps?

[jstforme]

yeah its gyno, or gyno starting to grow. its happened to me before. very sensetive nipples, if they get hit it freakin kills, i just started taking 40mg nolvadex i think, and it went away in a few days and everything is fine now. you can run antis throughout your cycle that will make sure that wont happen

[k1*]

Arimidex, Aromasin, or Letrozole will work best,,,but I agree with Jst, run the Nolva at 20-40mg/ed that should help and is much cheaper..........

[Jeffdev69]

YEA well just deca for 10 weeks does he have a girlfriend?

[Gin.Or.Juice]

YEA well just deca for 10 weeks does he have a girlfriend?
I don't consider this deca-dick bullshit to be a rule ... I was on Deca (300 mg ... 10 weeks) with DBol (30 mg ... 5 weeks) on my first cycle ... and nothing happened with my willy ... actually I was "killing" my wife sometimes in bed ... and was no other side effect after the cycle ... actually I know only one guy from my gym, who had this deca-dick problem, from almost 30 guys which are using juice pretty often.

[dewayne6243]

YEA well just deca for 10 weeks does he have a girlfriend?


What experience do you have with Deca?

[Jeffdev69]

never took it by its self to afraid

[littlejon]

will Masteron help take care of gyno?

[k1*]

will Masteron help take care of gyno?
I've never heard of Mast. taking care of gyno, but it will not cause it either......

[littlejon]

Hey Kawasaki1, What I meant to say was ...Will the mast work will enough by its self to block gyno when IM taking sust and d-bol or do i need nov or provon too? and will letrozole get rid of gyno, lmk.

[joelittle]

i think you would say it’s useful as an anti-estrogen as well as an anabolic but i would stick to the nov for the gyno :)
"i did quote that bit" :)
http://www.anthony-roberts.com/masteron_anti_estrogen.html
best
joe

[aaparker]

Is there anything stroger to fight gyno then just using clomid and nova? I was talking to some guys at the gym and one had to get surgery to get the glands behind his nipple removed because he couldnt dissolve it with his regular PCT. Any suggestions?

[dewayne6243]

Is there anything stroger to fight gyno then just using clomid and nova? I was talking to some guys at the gym and one had to get surgery to get the glands behind his nipple removed because he couldnt dissolve it with his regular PCT. Any suggestions?

Arimidex

[jtat326]

I don't consider this deca-dick bullshit to be a rule ... I was on Deca (300 mg ... 10 weeks) with DBol (30 mg ... 5 weeks) on my first cycle ... and nothing happened with my willy ... actually I was "killing" my wife sometimes in bed ... and was no other side effect after the cycle ... actually I know only one guy from my gym, who had this deca-dick problem, from almost 30 guys which are using juice pretty often.
Well, the thirty guys at gym are who I'm gonna believe. I also had my auto mechanic diagnose and operate on my appendix. I figured he was good with tools. :eek:
First the science. While deca does not aromatise it does open up the progest receptors. You can have a ton of free estrogen floating around with no sides unless the progesterone receptors are open. Then it's game on.
Now the anecdotal evidence. I did deca alone plenty of times in my twenties with no sides at all. Then one time in my mid 30's 5 weeks into a deca only cycle I got bad gyno and deca dick. Luckily for me the gyno was able to be reversed chemically. One of my friends was not so lucky and required sugery. Twice.
The moral to this story. We all know that orals, 17AA's in particular, are very hepatoxic. We also all know plenty of people, myself included, who have done 17AA's without taking liver protectants and had no problems. But do you want to be the one who after all those times with no problems, does irreversible liver damage the last time? An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. With the low cost of both test and anti-e's why would you take a chance. I now take adex .25mg eod when I do deca and sometimes I still have to take nolva during cycle if my nipples get sore. And I keep cialis or viagara on hand just in case my joint won't flex. Nothing sucks as much as getting the hottest girl around home one night only to find out nothings happening.

[Howdy1626]

Arimidex

so will arimidex fight pre existing gyno? cause ive always just heard that nolva is the thing for that.

[aaparker]

Its been a month, and my buddy still has mild gland behind his nipple and little to no pain... 3 weeks after taking 20mg a day he ran out. How long does it take to dissolve the gland behind the nipple? Should he wait till the gyno is gone before he starts another cycle?

[sbragg17]

What's up everybody glad to be back and see all is well at AlinBoard.

Check into some Femara, I tried it on my last cycle and this stuff works wonders. I was on a Test E, Deca and Dbol cycle this past spring. It kept me tight with little water retention and bloating. Deca is pretty hard on me, I noticed signs of gyno about 5-6 weeks into my cycle and it took care of it.

It's suppose to help with pre existing gyno as well. (Never tried it)

Static posted this a while back off steriod.com which is also out of hookers book (awesome book by the way).

Letrozole
Femara

Letrozole (Femara) is the chemical name of Novartis´ selective third generationAromatase Inhibitor (AI). This drug was developed to fight breast cancer by inhibiting the aromatization. It is usually used as a part of an aggressive treatment in post-menopausal women, to fight and reverse the spread of breast cancer after other treatments (such as Tamoxifen therapy) has failed. It´s probably the most efficient product on the market for this purpose currently (5) It is very similar in structure and action to it´s predecessor Arimidex.

Letrozole (Femara) also does quite a few things which would be of interest to both bodybuilders and athletes. Firstly, it has been shown to reduce estrogen levels by 98% or greater (1). In at least one documented incidence, Letrozole (Femara) reduced estrogen in the test subject to undetectable levels, and increased LH, FSH and SHBG (4). Clearly this is all of interest to bodybuilders, as less estrogen in the body means less chance of certain side effects such as water-retention, Gynocomastia, and acne. This makes Letrozole (Femara) an appropriate choice for even the heaviest bulking or cutting cycles including harsh androgens. Also, if you are a competitive bodybuilder, Letrozole (Femara) is a must have product for contest prep; no other Ancillary compound will produce a dry and tight look like Letro will.

An effective dose of Letrozole (Femara) is .25-.5mg/day (I use .25mgs/day), but be forewarned, if you go over that amount, it can kill your sex drive. Also worth noting is that there´s a rebound effect on your estrogen when you come off Letrozol. Maximum inhibition of the aromatase enzyme has been found to happen at doses as low as 100mcg! (2)

Letrozole (Femara)´s effects on serum lipids (cholesterol, both HDL and LDL) are, in the words of one researcher: "inconsistent. " Clearly, however, you´ll eventually suffer an impaired lipid profile and immune system if you keep your estrogen levels too low for too long. Your sex drive will also probably suffer from extraordinarily low levels of estrogen present.

As previously mentioned, Letrozole (Femara) can be used to raise LH and FSH (which are hormones which signal your testes to produce more testosterone). It also, of course, will raise your testosterone levels (6) via this mechanism. Again, this is of interest to athletes and bodybuilders for obvious reasons. Letrozole (Femara), of course, can be used for post-cycle-therapy (PCT) to raise test levels, but for various reasons, Tamoxifen may be a better choice. Still, I have successfully used Letrozole (Femara) for this purpose.

How good is this compared with Aromasin and Arimidex, it´s too other main rivals? Well, In non-cellular systems, Letrozole (Femara) is 2-5 times more potent than anastrozole and exemestane in its inhibition of the aromatase enzyme and activity, and in cellular systems it is 10-20x more potent! It also lasts quite a long time in your body,but takes awhile to get going& Letrozole (Femara) has a whopping 2-4 day (!) ½ life, and you need to take Letrozole (Femara) for 60 days to get a steady blood plasma level (8).

Those are impressive numbers, but here´s one of the most interesting things about Letrozole (Femara):

It may reduce/eliminate/reverse existing gynocomastia!

In a study conducted on mice (*no, I know it´s not perfect), gyno-like-changes in the mammary gland were totally destroyed! Here´s a direct quote from that study:

"Our results also indicate aromatase overexpression-induced changes in mammary glands can be abrogated [destroyed] with very low concentrations of the aromatase inhibitor, Letrozole (Femara)."(7)

In addition, I´ve used Letro to get rid of my own gyno, as has a friend of mine, and we both used it at a dose of 2.5mgs/day, tapering down to .25mgs/day, and then finally off..the gyno never returned in both our cases.

I´d say that this stuff is pretty great, considering its availability and cost (when you consider the fact that .25mgs/day is more than enough protection from estrogen-related sides on most cycles), not to mention it´s overall utility for a variety of functions (destroying gyno, preventing estrogenic sides, and for PCT).

References:

1. Clin Cancer Res. 2005 Apr 15;11(8):2809-21.
2. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 1995 Sep;80(9):2658-60.
3. Eur J Obstet Gynecol Reprod Biol. 2002 Nov 15;105(2):161-5
4. Epilepsy Behav. 2004 Apr;5(2):260-3
5. Semin Oncol. 2004 Dec;31(6 Suppl 12):3-8.
6. Diabetes Obes Metab. 2005 May;7(3):211-5.
7. J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol. 2001 Dec;79(1-5):27-34. Aromatase overexpression transgenic mice model: cell type specific expression and use of Letrozole (Femara) to abrogate mammary hyperplasia without affecting normal physiology.
8. (Clin Cancer Res. 2003 Jan;9(1 Pt 2):468S-72S.).


And yes I would try to take care of the gyno before starting another cycle.