Test E cycle

[jamyers]

After doing some research, I am interested in a first cycle of Test E. I was thinking 500mg per week
for 10 weeks. At week 12 using nolva as pct for 2 weeks. I am not sure of
the amount of nolva or if you recommend clomid or???? But I am set on Test
as my first cycle. Is there anything eles you recommend for the cycle? I have read so much and it can be very confusing to what to use but Test seems to be
the logical way to start things off right. If stacking is safe to do as a first cycle would EQ be a good addition??? I would like to see some ideas on how much to use per week and what the proper timing would be for pct with dosage.

[mickeymbbc]

After doing some research, I am interested in a first cycle of Test E. I was thinking 500mg per week
for 10 weeks. At week 12 using nolva as pct for 2 weeks. I am not sure of
the amount of nolva or if you recommend clomid or???? But I am set on Test
as my first cycle. Is there anything eles you recommend for the cycle? I have read so much and it can be very confusing to what to use but Test seems to be
the logical way to start things off right. If stacking is safe to do as a first cycle would EQ be a good addition??? I would like to see some ideas on how much to use per week and what the proper timing would be for pct with dosage.

Here you go brutha,

WK 1-10 500mg Test Enan twice a week( sunday-wed)
WK 1-10 400mg EQ (Equipose?) twice a week( sunday-wed)
WK 1-12 10mg Nolva ED= Only run nova through you cycyle if you are gyno prone

WK 13 40mg Nolva Ed and/or 150mg Clomid ED
WK 14 30mg Nolva Ed and/or 100mg Clomid ED
WK 15 20mg Nolva Ed and/or 50mg Clomid ED

You can also mix them up in the same surringe ever time you shoot.(saves having to stick so much)



-mick

[jstforme]

Here you go brutha,

WK 1-10 500mg Test Enan twice a week( sunday-wed)
WK 1-10 400mg EQ (Equipose?) twice a week( sunday-wed)



-mick

i agree with Mick, but injecting only on sunday and wednesday is going to leave you with unequal amounts during the week. from sunday to wednesday you have 2 days without shots, then from wednesday to sunday you have 3days. not sure if this matters much but i would do it like this:
week 1: sunday, wednesday, saturday
week 2: tuesday, friday
week 3:monday, thursday and so forth
if you chart it out it gives you an equal amount of steroid throughout the whole cycle. some weeks you will inject 3 times, others only 2 but you are getting even amounts and not "skipping" days

[mickeymbbc]

i agree with Mick, but injecting only on sunday and wednesday is going to leave you with unequal amounts during the week YOU ARE WRONG. from sunday to wednesday you have 2 days without shots, then from wednesday to sunday you have 3days. not sure if this matters much but i would do it like this:
week 1: sunday, wednesday, saturday NOweek 2: tuesday, friday NOweek 3:monday, thursday and so forth NO if you chart it out it gives you an equal amount of steroid throughout the whole cycle. some weeks you will inject 3 times, others only 2 but you are getting even amounts and not "skipping" days


NOW PLEASE DO IT LIKE I SAID!!

The esters in the EQ and test have a very long half life, your blood levels will stay stable as hell. If you were doing a shorter acting ester "like say"

Formate 1.5 day half life
Acetate 3 days half life
Propionate 4.5 day half life
Phenylprop 4.5 day half life
Then I can uderstand that you need to inject more. But the test has a half life of 2 weeks(which means that you don't need to shoot it as often to keep blood levels stable)

And the EQ has a half life of 21 days, so you definately don't need to shoot more than twice a week.................

-mick

[mickeymbbc]

if you chart it out it gives you an equal amount of steroid throughout the whole cycle. some weeks you will inject 3 times, others only 2 but you are getting even amounts and not "skipping" days

READ UP ON ESTERS, SO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY ARE AND HOW THEY WORK....................



-MICK

[jstforme]

waiving white flag over here! i surrender. i know what your saying mick about the esters and half lifes. as i said i before, i wasnt sure if it mattered that much with 1 day in difference, but that is the way I have done it before, everyone on here knows you might as well be labeled as a guru.

[mickeymbbc]

waiving white flag over here! i surrender. i know what your saying mick about the esters and half lifes. as i said i before, i wasnt sure if it mattered that much with 1 day in difference, but that is the way I have done it before, everyone on here knows you might as well be labeled as a guru.


No reason to wave to white flag brutha :D :D I think that you took that the wrong way, I am not afraid to be wrong at all. Sorry if you took it as I was pissed or mad(I wasn't) Sometimes I just type big words to get my point across. Beleive it or not " I am a very loving person, who is not afraid to take advice" I think that sometimes I type with my hands, and not with my mind" SORRY IF YOU FELT LIKE I WAS BEING MEAN BRUTHA, I AM NOT LIKE THAT AT ALL. I AM A VERY EASY GOING INDIVIDUAL :)

I was just trying to make my ponit and validate it. I am sure that you know what I mean. Have you ever been on them other boards where the MOD'S SAY SHIT AND THEY CANT BACK IT UP(I HATE THAT SHIT) THEY ONLY SAY STUFF BECUSE THEY ARE THE MOD AND CAN'T PROVE WHY THEY SAID IT. Anyway, sorry if I went at that wrong brutha.........I OPPOLOGIZE :(



-MICK

[bdog]

Your a humble man mick..keep up the good work!!!

[jamyers]

You guys are awsome!!!! Thanks for the info and I will continue reading up on esters so I understand them well! Thanks a bunch. I also forgot my stats 5'11" 192lbs 34yrs 17-20%BF and really good looking!!!LOL worked out off and on for a few years about half off and been soild training for about 6 months. I dont plan on cycle until I have a good solid year of training under my belt. Or does that really matter?

[mickeymbbc]

You guys are awsome!!!! Thanks for the info and I will continue reading up on esters so I understand them well! Thanks a bunch. I also forgot my stats 5'11" 192lbs 34yrs 17-20%BF and really good looking!!!LOL worked out off and on for a few years about half off and been soild training for about 6 months. I dont plan on cycle until I have a good solid year of training under my belt. Or does that really matter?


now you are telling us your stats :D


You do not have to train for a year before you decide to cycle brutha, but I admire you doing that :) As long as you try to get the best out of your body before taking gear you are good to go :D

Also; make sure that during your training that you are still studying up on gear and learning what to do with the goods and bads, you will be fine. KNOWLEDGE IS IMPORTANT!!


-MICK

[jamyers]

Thanks MICK
I will do as you say! I am really interested in how this will turn out. I will learn as much as I can on gear, diet, training, ect...... I don't want to mess things up.

[jamyers]

I have read on "keepable gains" on Test but I was wondering from your knowledge how much on average can a person keep of the gains if proper pct, training, diet, ect........? I guess a percentage figure would be nice. I'm just curious. I've heard different from different readings. I definitly want to keep most. Also Armindex??????????? Can i take this also in place of nolva "during" cycle??? I have read this is an anti-aromatize and it would help with the sides with great results but "may" result in decreased effectivness in aas... Will it decrease the effectiveness of the steroids???? Whats your opinion? Thanks I want to keep strong gains during cycle. How would I decide when to take anti's????? buring nipples, bloating, ect????? How would you judge it during the cycle and you noticed something strange???????

[Boman]

My firt cycle was very basic like the one you are planning. It was for 10 weeks with 500mg a week of sus on sun and wed. I did for ten week because of the long acting ester which gives you some more time after last shot. I gained 17lbs and continued to work out strong. I started out at 9% body fat and after was at nearly 14%. Four months later I kept 9lbs! I know that is not huge but I got my bf back down to 9% with 9 more lbs. If you keep half I would say that is good, because alot is going to be bloat water wieght. The biggest thing I found was that your diet affects your out come the greatest. Eating when you are not hungry and fuckin protein shakes! I invested in a blender so I could add fruit to the shakes, well worth every dime. Remember that the first one you want to go perfect. It is when your receptors accept the best. I have read that other have gained over 25lbs. I have a fast matabolisom(spelled wrong). I did another cycle after those four months and only gained 7 keepable lbs. on the same cycle as first. I think I should have waited more and I would have seen more. But, remember that this was 16lbs. in one year and for a 177lbs start wieght, you could see the difference. I chilled out for awhile because people started to talk at work and I didnt want anyone to know plus time off is good. Ive done more since but space it out. I like doing a early fall cycle and a late winter cycle to hide the wieght I gain in long sleeve and sweaters. The late winter cycle is a cutting cycle to prepare for the summer shirt less times!!!!!!!!! and yea I felt like typing lol...

[Tyree33]

I usually include some form of test in almost all of my cycles. As far as a % of what you can expect to keep is almost impossible to say. As far as your ? reagrding arimidex and post sides do a search and you'll find most of your answers there.

[Tyree33]

BTW, my girl and I just got back from the bar so I'm sorry if I didn't answer your questiuon, but I triesd.

[mickeymbbc]

I have read on "keepable gains" on Test but I was wondering from your knowledge how much on average can a person keep of the gains if proper pct, training, diet, ect........? I guess a percentage figure would be nice= It depends on your pct and diet, everone differs. I'm just curious. I've heard different from different readings. I definitly want to keep most. Also Armindex??????????? Can i take this also in place of nolva "during" cycle???YES I have read this is an anti-aromatize and it would help with the sides with great results but "may" result in decreased effectivness in aas... Will it decrease the effectiveness of the steroids=It depends on what cycle you do, if its light, then I would say yes, but if you are doing a heavy cycle it will not mess with you gains???? Whats your opinion? Thanks I want to keep strong gains during cycle. How would I decide when to take anti's????? buring nipples, bloating, ect????? How would you judge it during the cycle and you noticed something strange???????

I think that you are overwelming yourself too much on anti's brutha. As far as keeping your gains, READ THIS:
How to maintain gains post cycle
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1) Keep protein intake high

2) Keep calories high (clean if possible to avoid fat gain)

3) Lower training volume somewhat, but dont stop working out, maybe take an extra day or so off the first few weeks of post cycle

4) Still stick with low reps high weight and fairly low volume

5) Creatine, 5-10g per day

6) Glutamine 10-20g per day

7) HCG at the end of your cycle (huge difference IMO in post cycle recovery)

8) Clomid, nolvadex

9) Lots of sleep

10) Avoid alcohol, and other recreational drugs (especially drugs like mdma, coke, speed, ritalin, adderall, etc. although if hopefully this isnt even an issue with you, but I figured I'd mention it).

11) Avoid alot of cardio

12) Follow the 120-150 Rule, meaning eat every 120-150 minutes (2-2.5 hrs) Don't let yourself go very long without a meal (always include protein in that meal whether it be from food or a shake...food is always better though)

13) Take ZMA on a nightly basis. This difference is prob minor but isn't a bad idea as I find I get a better night sleep on it, and insufficient zinc in one's diet can cause low testosterone levels.

14) Avoid stress, you want to keep cortisol to a minimum post cycle.

15) Control cortisol with phosphatidylserine , 800-1200 mg per day roughly reduces cortisol levels by 30-45 % , then add in 2-5 gms of vit c

16) The use of clenbuterol can be useful , beta agonists in the muscles helps increase protein synthesis, but I don't use it pct so I can't speak for it personally.

17) Winstrol is beneficial in the last couple weeks of a cycle because it is a very mild AAS in terms of its affect on HTPA, plus it'll help you lean out a bit at the end (get rid of some water retention, etc) and make the gains that you have made more solidified.

18) Arginine and Citruline can be very useful post cycle...thats right NO2 supplements. Now whether or not you have gotten the hyped up gains that they claim is dependent on you, but Arginine and Citruline do infact cause nitrogen retention, which is very important during your PCT.

-MICK

[jamyers]

Is HCG required with using a "TEST E" only cycle????? I hear that stacking or using a cycle that uses a much higher dosage would definitly require HCG. But just curious about a single steroid cycle. 500mg per week for 10 weeks. I plan on having both nolva and clomid. also can nolva during cycle help "maintain" testis condition? Or would taking nolva during cycle dampen the quality gains? If I do take HCG how would I dose it? I see lots of ideas but do not want to over do it and permantly lose my boys! I would like to see some ideas from people that has done similar cycle and got great results.

[Beetlejuice]

LOL! Bumping Mick on reading about esters. It is the key to understanding cycles, and why and when.

[mickeymbbc]

Is HCG required with using a "TEST E" only cycle=NO????? I hear that stacking or using a cycle that uses a much higher dosage would definitly require HCG=HCG IS ONLY RECOMMENDED IF YOUR BALLS HAVE SHRUNK UP, TO GET THEM BACK UP TO PAR BEFORE YOUR PCT. But just curious about a single steroid cycle. 500mg per week for 10 weeks. I plan on having both nolva and clomid=NO NEAD FOR BOTH IF YOU ARE RUNNING ONLY TEST. also can nolva during cycle help "maintain" testis condition=NO? Or would taking nolva during cycle dampen the quality gains=MAYBE ALITTLE IF YOUR CYCLE IS SMALL, BUT NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT? If I do take HCG how would I dose it=500 IU'S FOR 10 DAYS STRAIGHT FOLLOWING YOUR LAST SHOT? I see lots of ideas but do not want to over do it and permantly lose my boys! I would like to see some ideas from people that has done similar cycle and got great results.


Bro, you worry so much you make me nervous :)



-mick

[jamyers]

Sorry for sounding so paranoid. I just want to make sure I am on the same page as everyone. I read as much as I can but sometimes I can't believe every thing I read. So I go back and forth with experts such as yourself just to make sure I am doing the right thing. :)

[roidnoob939]

i was thinking of a test-e only cycle 500mg/wk , this really helped me, im planning on 10mg/day of noval and .25mg/day of arimidex clear through my pct which is a total of 3 weeks. Is the arimidex really needed? I was told it was bc i dont know how prone i am to gyno.

[mickeymbbc]

i was thinking of a test-e only cycle 500mg/wk , this really helped me, im planning on 10mg/day of noval and .25mg/day of arimidex clear through my pct which is a total of 3 weeks. Is the arimidex really needed? I was told it was bc i dont know how prone i am to gyno.


Bro, run the test alone, thats it. You are going to hinder your gains with all them anti's. Save the nova incase you need it for gyno problems, and leave the Adex alone.



-mick