PCT Advice

[Reveremuscle]

Current cycle is 750mg Sus per week. 1-12
400mg EQ per week. 1-12

PCT

13-15 HCG 250iu ed
15 300MG Clomid day 1
day 2-10 100mg clomid ED
11-20 clomid 50mg ED

How does this look for PCT? I usually run prop after my last shot into PCT, but I am going to use HCG this time.

RM

[mickeymbbc]

Only run the HCG if needed, as far as the clomid, I see that you are trying to jump start your balls(that might work, but its not scientifically proved) But I also do the same thing:) YOUR PCT LOOKS ABOUT RIGHT BRO, GOOD LUCK BRUTHA:)

-MICK

[Reveremuscle]

I wanna run the HCG so I don't "crash" waiting the 3 weeks for PCT to start.

[mickeymbbc]

Who gave you that Idea that you will crash waiting for your pct to start?@# If you start the PCT at the right time when you gear clears your system, you will be fine>>>



-mick

[Reveremuscle]

I might be wrong, but waiting the 3 weeks until my system clears is a long time without any test, wouldn't there be a rather large decline in serum test levels waiting for the gear to clear my system. I usually run prop at the end of a cycle right up until PCT to avoid this.

[mickeymbbc]

No No No!!! I Get What You Are Trying To Say, But It Don't Work That Way......when You Are Waiting For Your System To Clear There Is Still Gear In There Slowly Clearing Away(thats The Whole Point) You Cannnot Start Your Pct With Gear Still Srtong In Your Body(it Would Be Useless) The Only Reason That I Think That People Crash Is Because They Either Wait To Long Or Start There Pct To Soon.(that Why Its Very Important You People To Do There Homework On Esters, That Way They Know How Long That Its In Your Body Before It Clears) Some Clear In 4 Days, And Some In 3 Weeks, It All Depends On What You Took. Thats Why People Like You And I Run Prop Or Some Other Short Acting Ester In It Right Up To Pct, In Order To Avoid The Crash. I Love Running Dball Or Prop Up To Pct, Because After My Pill I Don't Have To Wait For Anything To Clear(it Makes My Pct Run Alot Smooother And Also Helps With Keeping My Gains Better)


-mick

[Reveremuscle]

How long would you run the HCG after my last shot? 1 week after? Or end with last shot? Thanks

[mickeymbbc]

7-10 Days After You Last Shot Would Be Sufficient.



-mick

[BigTom69]

You can do d-bol. In the beginning and the end. So you would start it right after yout last shot? right up to the pct?

[mickeymbbc]

Yep:)



-mick

[BigO]

Some people like myself when iwas younger I'd run the d-bol in the begining for 8 weeks get and then run drol at the end...and like mick said you can keep alot of those gains doing it that way...Except you have to do extended cycles and switch gear at week 12...so in other words your looking at a 20-24 week cycle....You'll need quite a few cycles under your belt before you should do that but it works like a charm....

[sTaTic]

here's something i find useful:


.......Steroid....................Time After ....Clomid Length
Administration

Anadrol50/Anapolan50.......8-12 hours.....3 weeks
Deca Durobolan................3 weeks........4 weeks
Dianabol.........................4-8 hours.......3 weeks
Equipoise........................17-21 days.....3 weeks
Finajet/Trenbolone............3 days...........3 weeks
Primobolan Depot..............10-14 days.....2 weeks
Sustanon.........................3 weeks........3 weeks
Test Cypionate.................2 weeks........3 weeks
Test Enthenate/Testoviron..2 weeks........3 weeks
Test Propionate.................3 days..........3 weeks
Test Suspension................4-8 hours......2 weeks
Winstrol...........................8-12 hours.....2 weeks

This is something I follow. If anyone sees anything wrong please post up.

[hooker]

here's something i find useful:


.......Steroid....................Time After ....Clomid Length
Administration

This is something I follow. If anyone sees anything wrong please post up.
Is there any proof that a drug has to be out of your system before PCT can begin? I mean....why won't clomid be beneficial while there is still some anadrol (for example) in your body?

[sTaTic]

I think clomid used during a cycle would be fine but for an anti estrogen. Big A said that the use of hcg after a cycle wouldnt be as useful as if you were to use it during.

If one wanted to and has the funds to use clomid/nolvadex all the way through their cycle and after all gear has passed through your system, they would be good to go.

To me.. and everything I say is my opinion based on my experience or feelings, not anyone elses... I think it's a money issue or just that a person only has enough for a certain amount of time. therefore it would be more benificial for someone to use this form of pct when all the gear has left there system.

[hooker]

What I mean is why not start PCT the day you end your cycle? Why wait for the steroids to "clear" your system?

[sTaTic]

Just because it's your last injection, doesn't mean that the gear stops working. Different gear stays in your system for different amounts of time. You know that.

It wouldnt hurt to start it there but some would say its a waist

[hooker]

My point is that there is no evidence that clomid (or pct) won't start working even with gear in you, as long as the gear levels are declining, thats when you need to start PCT. Blood Plasma levels of anabolic steroids often form a mirror (reverse) image of natural hormonal production. As long as the levels of steroid are declining (i.e. have peaked already from the final dose), PCT should start, according to all available evidence.

In short, someone put up a "when to start pct" post, somewhere, back in the day, and everyone said "aaah...thats when I start PCT" and didn't really put any thought into it, IMHO.

[sTaTic]

Easy bro...

This is what I use... Not what I say is written in stone. If you find it that your way works for you... sweet! Im happy for you. I just know that this WORKS FOR ME

I just post my opinions on things. doing what I suggest wont kill anyone so ease back. Dude, you wrote a book... how much of it is based on what you put in your body compared to what you read?

[hooker]

Easy bro...

This is what I use... Not what I say is written in stone. If you find it that your way works for you... sweet! Im happy for you. I just know that this WORKS FOR ME

I just post my opinions on things. doing what I suggest wont kill anyone so ease back. Dude, you wrote a book... how much of it is based on what you put in your body compared to what you read?
Alot of what I write is based on what I put in my body, and alot is based on interviews I did with hundreds of athletes, and alot is from medical journals and textbooks....the best is when it's based on all of that.

My point is that if something works for you...then Great.

I still bet my way works better. Why not try both?

[sTaTic]

Bro... maybe I'm comming off like a dick on this thread but Believe me, I dont mean to be. I wasn't saying that you are wrong... hell, everyone reacts different and i'm sure you can vouch for that. I would have no problem doing it your way and actually when i first started gear, i did just that because i wasnt sure when i should start it and didnt have the internet to read what others have been sucessful with.

I do know one thing, I managed to keep most of my gains comming off gear for 3 years. I owe it all to the way I used my pct and kept up with my training. I started at a weight of 168-170lbs got up to 235 lbs (not fat and bloat) and after comming off gear for 3 years, I was still at a lean 215 lbs. That might not be impressive to the pros or even to you but to an average bro like me, that's great.

So sorry if i sounded like i was trashin you or I disagreed with you... It's all good. I just think that the more info based on ones own experiences will help others with theres.

[BigO]

Throw that dam book away...You don't know how to read anyway!

[mickeymbbc]

Just because it's your last injection, doesn't mean that the gear stops working. Different gear stays in your system for different amounts of time. You know that.

It wouldnt hurt to start it there but some would say its a waist

THAT IS CORRECT 100%, THERE IS NO DEBATING THAT THEORY...



-MICK