beginner cycle

[jamyers]

I'm 5'11" 195lbs Male 34yrs BF unknown maybe around 20% been lifting off and on for 5 years "mostly off". I've been working out in gym for 6 months steady now. I'm very serious about diet about 3500-4000 calorie/day. I don't think I'm doing bad. But from now on I am tired of blubber and not looking and feeling good. I am on a mission to build solid quality muscle from a first cycle to jump start me. I am thinking of: Deca 250mg weekly
Test ?????? weekly
I know the deca can give me great gains and test will support it and help with libido. I do not want to get carried away with Deca since too much can create side effect problems such as water retent, deca-dik, and so on. I want test as a good base but not too sure about dosage, 400mg/week???????? I am trying to keep the sides to a minimum and I do not mind a moderate rate of gain since I dont want the gym members and family think something is going on since I blew up over a few months. I do want to gain at least a years worth of "natural gains" in a cycle. So how would an expierenced vet design a 8-10 week cycle for a guy like me??? I have done soooooooooo much research and I see so many types of cycles and I hear so many people from different forums give me bunches of ideas but seems like many bunt heads and loose focus on me and argue with eachother..lol Also how would a PCT be designed for deca/test? Clomid for sure but nolva during???? maybe proviron???? I want to keep sides low and gains high after cycle. maybe a single steroid work ok????? I want to keep the gains and prepare for an intermediate cycle after a few months off my first cycle. If I did a single seroid would deca be ok alone??

[Bucket]

First if all thanks for listing your stats. It makes it alot easier to build a cycle, and I won't lay out a cycle unless someone gives them. :)

Week 1-10 Test enth
Week 1-10 deca

PCT
Week 12 40mg nolva
Week 13 30mg nolva
Week 14 20mg nolva

Your diet is going to dictate how you do on a cycle no matter what compounds you use. My advise would be to order your gear, get you diet worked out and bring your bf to 15% before running a cycle. You can get it down here in 6 weeks by throwing in cardio 4 times a week and maintaining your weight lifting and reducing your calories around 2,500 to low 3,000cals Just keep your protein up and you'll shed some fat.

[mickeymbbc]

I'm 5'11" 195lbs Male 34yrs BF unknown maybe around 20% been lifting off and on for 5 years "mostly off". I've been working out in gym for 6 months steady now. I'm very serious about diet about 3500-4000 calorie/day. I don't think I'm doing bad. But from now on I am tired of blubber and not looking and feeling good. I am on a mission to build solid quality muscle from a first cycle to jump start me. I am thinking of: Deca 250mg weekly
Test ?????? weekly
I know the deca can give me great gains and test will support it and help with libido. I do not want to get carried away with Deca since too much can create side effect problems such as water retent, deca-dik, and so on. I want test as a good base but not too sure about dosage, 400mg/week???????? I am trying to keep the sides to a minimum and I do not mind a moderate rate of gain since I dont want the gym members and family think something is going on since I blew up over a few months. I do want to gain at least a years worth of "natural gains" in a cycle. So how would an expierenced vet design a 8-10 week cycle for a guy like me??? I have done soooooooooo much research and I see so many types of cycles and I hear so many people from different forums give me bunches of ideas but seems like many bunt heads and loose focus on me and argue with eachother..lol Also how would a PCT be designed for deca/test? Clomid for sure but nolva during???? maybe proviron???? I want to keep sides low and gains high after cycle. maybe a single steroid work ok????? I want to keep the gains and prepare for an intermediate cycle after a few months off my first cycle. If I did a single seroid would deca be ok alone??

Bucket hit it right on the nose brutha, your diet is going to dictate your over all acomplishments. Like he said, get your diet in check, along with bringing your body-fat down to atleast 15% or better if you want to see any visible gains and looks. The cycle that he laid out is good for a starter cycle for you, along with a good pct. BY THE WAY PROVIRON IS NOT USED FOR PCT, I WISH I COULD FIND OUT WHO STARTED THAT RUMMER.

-MICK

[jamyers]

I noticed you guys did not even mention clomid, Is that not needed? So what dosage would be good? And would there need to be any adjustments to the dosage during the cycle? I'm sorry I sound like I don't know much but I have read and researched so much and it seems like there are sooooooooo many different ideas to how to use steroids for a beginner. I know it depends on each persons sensitivity and body chemistry also. I wish there was a way I could just give stats on my bodies ability to use steroids inorder to figure out exactly what steroids works best for me.

[Bucket]

I noticed you guys did not even mention clomid, Is that not needed? So what dosage would be good? And would there need to be any adjustments to the dosage during the cycle? I'm sorry I sound like I don't know much but I have read and researched so much and it seems like there are sooooooooo many different ideas to how to use steroids for a beginner. I know it depends on each persons sensitivity and body chemistry also. I wish there was a way I could just give stats on my bodies ability to use steroids inorder to figure out exactly what steroids works best for me.


There have been alot of studies done on the effectiveness of Nolva vs Clomid. From what I have read and personal experience my choice is Nolva. Mg for mg it is alot less and superior in IMHO and the side effects like mood swings or acting like being pregnant cannot be found in Nolva. This is why I always advise Nolva over Clomid.

[jamyers]

so compared to clomid, nolva is just a better more effective drug even though they are designed to do the same thing anti-e. Would HCG be used during pct with nolva also?

[Bucket]

so compared to clomid, nolva is just a better more effective drug even though they are designed to do the same thing anti-e. Would HCG be used during pct with nolva also?


In my opionion and experience yes.

And I personally would not use hcg during PCT. If you run it during your cycle to keep them up or at the end to bring them back is better then comming off and then trying to get them to where they should be.

[Beetlejuice]

Bump Bucket on the Nolva as far as side effects and mildness. I will however have to say that from what I have read overall Clomid is a little better for kick starting the gonads. I don't know how much more effective. I do think I would go with Bucket on this one and take the Nolva, because of the reduced irratibilty. I act like a p.m.sing B***h while on clomid.