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moseslok
09-17-2006, 03:38 PM
I'm planning on doing 4 week cycles of 20mg Dbol a day taken once in the morning. Is PCT needed at the end and is anti-estrogens or anti aromatase really needed???
WHY......I would never reccomend and oral only cycle, especially Dbol only??!! You will lose 100% of your gains, once you discontinue use!!! You need to throw some Test Enan in there with it,,,and if you insist on an oral only cycle, then run an Anavar cycle stacked with Creatine, inwhich a pct would not be needed due to the fact that Anavar dose not shut down your natural testosterone production. BUT, I would really suggest, that if you are not ready for needles, you are not ready for AAS..........
alan1973
09-18-2006, 09:43 PM
WHY......I would never reccomend and oral only cycle, especially Dbol only??!! You will lose 100% of your gains, once you discontinue use!!! You need to throw some Test Enan in there with it,,,and if you insist on an oral only cycle, then run an Anavar cycle stacked with Creatine, inwhich a pct would not be needed due to the fact that Anavar dose not shut down your natural testosterone production. BUT, I would really suggest, that if you are not ready for needles, you are not ready for AAS..........
I agree, with all I have read there is no other way around it.
but how long after PCT before you can do another cycle?
I agree, with all I have read there is no other way around it.
but how long after PCT before you can do another cycle?
Time on equals time off (including pct). Example: if you run a 10wk cycle and pct is wk13-15, total = 15wks (that is time on), so time off would be 15wks......
alan1973
09-19-2006, 11:01 AM
Time on equals time off (including pct). Example: if you run a 10wk cycle and pct is wk13-15, total = 15wks (that is time on), so time off would be 15wks......
I think I would die without my old crutch of anavar and winny during that time off, I mean, that is over 3 months!!
Since these 2 do not need PCT, would it be safe to assume that these are OK to use as a bridge?
staffy
09-23-2006, 08:29 PM
I'm planning on doing 4 week cycles of 20mg Dbol a day taken once in the morning. Is PCT needed at the end and is anti-estrogens or anti aromatase really needed???
i think that cycle is too short,as kawasaki1 said ad some test,a d-bol only cycle is worthless
week 1-4 d-bol at 20mg/day
week 1-10 test at 500mg/wk
if this will be your first cycle and ur not sure about injectables try this
week dosage
1 20mg d-bol
2 30mg d-bol
3 40mg d-bol
4 40mg d-bol
5 30mg d-bol
6 20mg d-bol
this was my first cycle,i kept a large percentage of my gains,i also know a mate who tryed this cycle for his first and kept most of his gains
everyone is different,a good properly planed pct will see u right
id also have to hand nolvadex incase gyno pops up,if this does happen 20-30mg of nolvadex or 100mg of clomid daily will take care of it
make sure u take liver protectants liv52 or milk thistle are popular,d-bol is very liver toxic
pct is always required,it helps us to hold on to most of our gains and to help bring back natural testosterone production.what u need and at what dosage depends on what works for you,every one is different but you will need pct of some sort
rAJJIN
09-23-2006, 09:43 PM
The guys are right. Dbol only is Not a cycle.
zabol
09-26-2006, 04:49 PM
...Dbol once a day only is not a good practice, it is even badest if you take it alone. Due to its short half life it should be taken at least two times a day, the highest dose in the morning and the others in afternoon and evening; for example:
8:00AM: 10mg
15:00: 10mg
22:00 5mg
At those dosages estrogen convertion should not be drammatic, but anyone has its own response to those effects, so for your peace of mind you could take 10mg Nolvadex and 25mg Proviron per day to control water retention and gyno.
Even the post cycle recovery should not needed after 4 weeks at 20mg Dbol, your hpta should come back to normal within some 6-10 weeks.
The badest side effects of this cycle are on Liver, and if your liver is especially sensitive to c17-alpha alkylated, you should be stay away from practically any oral steroid and consider the injectable medium-long action instead.
However, 4 weeks is not enough to call it cycle, and as many guys already told you, a Dbol only cycle is not a good one.
If you are first time user, or even a newbe, is my idea that you should start using low androgenic doses and High anabolic compound at low medium dosages and test your response...
You could start with something like:
20mg Dbol(daily) + 200mg Deca(weekly)
OR
2-300mg T.Cypionate(weekly) + 200mg Boldenone(weekly)
OR
250mg sustanon (every 5 days) + 20mg Oral Stanazolol (daily)
and so on.... for 6-8 weeks.
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