which one would you do and why??

[big49ersfan]

k im doing a cutter would like to see some strength gains as well. im 220 done one cycle of deca/ test e/ dbol and winny last 15weeks. measurements are 48 chest, 34 weighst, 28 theight, 17 bicep and calves. bench max 160kg, dead 200kg, squat 220 (these are current lift they have gone downa tad). im going to be lifting 3 x week chest/ shoulder/ tris, back/bis/grip, and legs and abs. with 2 HIT cv sessions a week and thrn 2-4 steady state on off days.

cycle 1

weeks 1-6 prop @ 100mg eod
weeks 1-6 anavar @ 45-60mg ed
weeks 1-6 prov @ 25-50mg ed

(a little hesitant to do a prop only jab supposed to be rather painful but ive been told after a few weeks the pain on jabbing stops, out of the prop that alins stocks whiich is the least painful)

cycle 2

weeks 1-8 masteron @ 100mg eod
weeks 1-8 prop @ 100 eod

bf might be a little got it measured the other week and was just under 16% but i know with one-two months of natural cutting would be down to 12-14%. but at least the jab will not be a stinger

cycle 3

combining the two basically

weeks 1-9 test e @ 500mg pw weeks or 1-12 prop @ 100mg eod
weeks 1-6 anavar @ 45-60mg ed
weeks 1-6 prov @ 50mg (keep the bloat down)
weeks 1-12 masteron @ 100mg ed (would have been on cycle for 12 weeks so if diet nad cv all goes well bf should be low under 12% and would run it until test e has cleared

pct would be clo and nolva with trib, clen and creo for 3 weeks then the clen for 2 weeks on 2 off 2 on and trib and creo running for 6 weeks. HCG therapy on this cycle probably needed needed on my last deca/test/ dbol and winny cycle for 2 week 500 i.u. eod. So would probably use same protocoal and run it from week 10-12 on either prop or e if needed

woudl you say prop over e or visa versa?

and which cycle and why would you do?

i have narrowed it down to these after a lot of arsing about!!

[Bucket]

How about something like this brother.

Week 1-12 150mg prop EOD
Week 1-8 75mg tren EOD
Week 1-12 60mg var
Week 1-12 300 masteron

A few things about this cycle: For var to work effectively you should really consider running it for at least 10 weeks. I bumped up your prop because of your weight and you will like the prop over a longer ester because it doesn't have the side of water retention. The tren will give you some good strength gains even on a calorie restricted diet. And the masteron is a little on the low side but it will work nicely in this cycle.

You should also consider running Arimidex as well throughout this cycle, and have some Winny on hand in case of Prog gyno from the tren or you can run 600mg of b-6.

But the most important thing is going to be your diet. This is what will dictate if you will lower your BF or not.

[big49ersfan]

im sorry i should have mentioned i really dont want to run tren just yet!!

could you just run the course without it!!

or would you change any of the other doses??

[Bucket]

im sorry i should have mentioned i really dont want to run tren just yet!!

could you just run the course without it!!

or would you change any of the other doses??


You could run it without the tren for sure. And maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea either. JUst keep the doses the same or you could trade the tren for EQ and make sure you stoped it at week nine and could even front load it two weeks before you start.

[big49ersfan]

so bsically

weeks 1-12 prop @ 150mg eod
weeks 1-12 masteron @ 100mg eod (that is roughly 300pw)
weeks 1-12 anavar @ 60mg ed

and then pct like 4 days after last shot of prop

[Bucket]

You got it! I would start your pct the day after your last shot though.

[big49ersfan]

k sweet will do cheers for da advice man