first cycle help

[drob29]

I have a few questions. First, I have ordered from alin and am waiting for delivery. After much research and thought here is the cycle I went went with:

test e 500 mg wk
deca 400 mg wk
dbol 25 mg ed
pct nova
ax .25 eod durring
hcg (durring ? and or after?)

ordered enough plus some of everything. got 23 gs 1.5 needles / 5cc syringes from get pinz. I want to run a 10-12 week cycle.

about me: 35 yo, 196 lbs, about 12-14% bf (about 12 now I think) lifting seriously for 4 yrs, 3/4 times a week. I have done tons of research, over the past 6 months, before deciding on this cycle. I figured I want dive in and go for it. This cycle seemed to make sense. I am ready to feed 3500+ cal a day with 300 g protien, low fat, low carbs, diet is all worked out, solid plan in place to make huge gains AND KEEP THEM.

questions: 1. I was going to use propecia to minimize hair loss. I stumbled across a thread in these board saying thats a no no with the deca. why?

Then I was thinking if thats the case I will drop the deca and go dbol/test, but I want to solidify the gains and its my understanding deca will help me keep the gains. comments?

Would a shorter 6-8 week test/deca/dbol cycle reduce the hair loss potential if the propecia does not go with the deca?

HELP!!! (and thanks)

[jstforme]

i cant comment about the propecia cus i dont know the answer. just want to thank you first of all for doing your homework. dbol i would limit to 4-6 weeks, id bump it up to 40mg. hcg you only want to use if you start noticiing your balls shrinking, dont worry they wont turn into peanuts overnight. you might not even need the hcg for this cycle. but if you do need it i would do something like 500IU once a week. you must cease hcg usage before your cycle ends. i dont beleive deca will neccesarily help you keep all of your gains. diet, training and pct will do that.

[jtat326]

You might not even need the d-bol if this is your first cycle. I'd save it to jump start your next cycle or the one after that. If you do decide to use it I agree with jst, up it to 50 and only 5 weeks. Deca/sus or ent has pretty much been the staple of my bulking cycles for about 5 years and I still get good results, although now I give it a little "kick" with d-bol or OT, ending it with winni for 5 weeks. You probably won't need these adds until your body starts getting used to the Deca/test. If you start adding them now your cycles are going to get more expensive faster. Also stop the Deca about two weeks before the test to avoid libido issues.
I've never had hair loss issues with these,and I'm in my 40's. I may be wrong but I think hair loss is more of an issue with tren, which I have limited experience with. One of the other guys, like bod or K1 probably know more about that.
(I would have said tatt, but I don't think he really gives a shit about sides :D . j/k.

[elgaringo]

Regarding the HCG on the third week of my cycle I'd have 250iu twice a week! As prevention is better than cure ;)

[k1*]

I have a few questions. First, I have ordered from alin and am waiting for delivery. After much research and thought here is the cycle I went went with:

test e 500 mg wk wk1-12
deca 400 mg wk wk1-10
dbol 25 mg ed Bump up to 50mg/ed wk1-5
pct nova Run pct as such:
wk15 Clomid 100mg-Nolva 40mg/ed
wk16 Clomid 50mg-Nolva 30mg/ed
wk17 Clomid 50mg-Nolva 20mg/ed

ax .25 eod durring
hcg (durring ? and or after?) No need, save for another cycle

ordered enough plus some of everything. got 23 gs 1.5 needles / 5cc syringes from get pinz. I want to run a 10-12 week cycle.

about me: 35 yo, 196 lbs, about 12-14% bf (about 12 now I think) lifting seriously for 4 yrs, 3/4 times a week. I have done tons of research, over the past 6 months, before deciding on this cycle. I figured I want dive in and go for it. This cycle seemed to make sense. I am ready to feed 3500+ cal a day with 300 g protien, low fat, low carbs, diet is all worked out, solid plan in place to make huge gains AND KEEP THEM.

questions: 1. I was going to use propecia to minimize hair loss. I stumbled across a thread in these board saying thats a no no with the deca. why?
I do not know about this product,,,I just shaved my head when it started falling out...
Then I was thinking if thats the case I will drop the deca and go dbol/test, but I want to solidify the gains and its my understanding deca will help me keep the gains. comments? If you choose to drop the Deca, get yourself some Winstrol tabs and run them at 50mg/ed wk7-12

Would a shorter 6-8 week test/deca/dbol cycle reduce the hair loss potential if the propecia does not go with the deca? 6-8wks is too short to run this cycle

HELP!!! (and thanks)
Suggestions in red................

[elgaringo]

The bit about the HCG will just depend on wether your prone to testicular atrophy ;) .

[LennyB]

i just did my first and it was the same minus the deca and a smaller dose of test.. just run the d bol for wks 1-4 to kick start the test and run the test for 10 - 12 wks.. Good luck, youll notice weight gain in about a week and strength in about 2 or 3..