So i finally worked out my cycle, whacha think?

[monster81]

175lbs, 12%bf, on high protein diet, have personal trainer, first cycle in id say 3 or 4 yrs. all i need now is everyone on this boards knowledge so i do this all right....here i go.....

sust250- 500mgwks 1-16
tbol- 50mg ed- wks 1-5
primo- 400mg wks 1-16
winstrol 50mg ed wks- 5-16
parabolan 150mg wks 8-16
novaldex- 20mg ed wks 1-16
clen 40mg wks 5-16 2 weeks on/off
clomid 100mg ed for 4 wks pct

now i also have a bottle of eq, i was gonna hit that up for as long as i could for 400mg wk with sus250, just 250mg of sust a wk bc thats all i will have left. so my cycle is actually about 24 wks in all.

ok so what do you think. i would like to eventually be around 190lbs 8-10% bf, actually id love to be 200lbs but dont know if even 190lbs at 8-10% is realistic. what types of gains can you all see me achiveing. i am gonna eat like a hog, protein of course, train like an animal, do u think my goals are attainable with what cycle i have here, thanks again....

[Beetlejuice]

You need to shorten your time on the winny and parabolan. If you use those more than 5 - 6 weeks you are just asking for problems with your liver and kidneys. Everything else looks good. You might consider moving the Tbol to the end of the cycle, Mickey said something that made sense to me the other day about using orals at the end to help keep some of your gains. Also make sure that you use liv52, or milkthistle while you run this cycle.

[Bucket]

Bumpin Beetlejuice on shortening the Winny and parabolan. If you are going to keep your Winny towards the end the keep the tbol at the beginning in order to give your liver a break. I do like to run d-bol at the end of a cycle because of the synergitic effect you will obtain.

But this looks like a lot for a first cycle in a few years. You would probably do real well on only 500 test and 400 primo or EQ or Deca. But in any case in order to gain 20 pounds like you are wanting to do and dropping your bf to the single digits your diet will HAVE to be spot on. If it's not then I would recommend you just bulk up and cut the fat later.

[anaholic]

i would take something in the middle of the cycle to keep my balls from shrinking up, by the end of 16 weeks weeks there going to be really little

[jstforme]

why would you spend all of that money on your cycle and use sustanon as your base steroid? although ive never used it i think is a poor choice compared to other testosterones such as enthanate which i use. Imagine a hypothetical situation where one take either 270 mg of a an ester that lasts 6 days, or 270 mg of a blend of different esters, 90 mg each, that release over respectively 2, 4 and 6 days, analog to sustanon. With the first one, an even amount of testosterone is released on each day. With the second one the entire first ester, half the second ester and 1/3rd of the last ester is released within the first two days. The result here is clear : the first two days one gets 165 mg, the next two one gets 75 mg and the last 2 days one gets a mere 30 mg. The levels peak much sooner, and drop off sooner, leaving you with less than adequate androgen levels as the week draws to a close.

[Beetlejuice]

why would you spend all of that money on your cycle and use sustanon as your base steroid? although ive never used it i think is a poor choice compared to other testosterones such as enthanate which i use. Imagine a hypothetical situation where one take either 270 mg of a an ester that lasts 6 days, or 270 mg of a blend of different esters, 90 mg each, that release over respectively 2, 4 and 6 days, analog to sustanon. With the first one, an even amount of testosterone is released on each day. With the second one the entire first ester, half the second ester and 1/3rd of the last ester is released within the first two days. The result here is clear : the first two days one gets 165 mg, the next two one gets 75 mg and the last 2 days one gets a mere 30 mg. The levels peak much sooner, and drop off sooner, leaving you with less than adequate androgen levels as the week draws to a close.

Sustanon stays in the system up to 12 days from one injection, as each ester peaks respectively about every 72 - 96 hours. Continually injecting sustanon over several weeks leads to a nice steady build up of testerone in the subjects system. It gives both fast results and the benefit of long term steroids, considering it uses both an propianate ester, and a decoanate ester. Steady continuous injections of sustanon will yield good results with less overall side effects (provided you do not go nutty and start injecting 250 mg of it every single day). I have to say many will agree with me that it is a fine base for a test cycle. I wont say you are wrong about test enthanate, it is a fine base also, most test is.

[Tyree33]

I agree. Although Test E and C are great base drugs for most cycles, I think sustanon is a better choice for the run monster has laid out due to the fact that sus. carries less potential of retaining water.

[jstforme]

yes sustanon is a very fine base, any testosterone will reap benefits, i wont argue about that. in response to tyree33, all testosterones are going to yield water retention. sustanon is for bulking right? so water retention shouldnt be that big of an issue especially with only 500mg/wk. i would be more worried about steady testosterone levels than water retention personally.

[Beetlejuice]

yes sustanon is a very fine base, any testosterone will reap benefits, i wont argue about that. in response to tyree33, all testosterones are going to yield water retention. sustanon is for bulking right? so water retention shouldnt be that big of an issue especially with only 500mg/wk. i would be more worried about steady testosterone levels than water retention personally.

Sustanon by its very nature seems to be less likely to promote water retention. That is why it works well in a test based conditioning/cutting cycle. It is also fine for a bulking cycle. If you use it with winny and tren then it is a good cut. If you use it with Decca and Dbol/Tbol it is a good bulker. It is mild compared to many single ester testerone preperations. I retain water like a m***fer, and I have had great success with sust so far because I dont to retain water as bad with it.

[anaholic]

i much prefer test blends, sust is my choice, i iam thinking of ordering some ip supertest, and was wondering how it compares to sust.

[mickeymbbc]

175lbs, 12%bf, on high protein diet, have personal trainer, first cycle in id say 3 or 4 yrs. all i need now is everyone on this boards knowledge so i do this all right....here i go.....

sust250- 500mgwks 1-16
tbol- 50mg ed- wks 1-5
primo- 400mg wks 1-16
winstrol 50mg ed wks- 5-16
parabolan 150mg wks 8-16
novaldex- 20mg ed wks 1-16
clen 40mg wks 5-16 2 weeks on/off
clomid 100mg ed for 4 wks pct

now i also have a bottle of eq, i was gonna hit that up for as long as i could for 400mg wk with sus250, just 250mg of sust a wk bc thats all i will have left. so my cycle is actually about 24 wks in all.

ok so what do you think. i would like to eventually be around 190lbs 8-10% bf, actually id love to be 200lbs but dont know if even 190lbs at 8-10% is realistic. what types of gains can you all see me achiveing. i am gonna eat like a hog, protein of course, train like an animal, do u think my goals are attainable with what cycle i have here, thanks again....

I DON'T LIKE THAT AT ALL FOR A FIRST CYCLE?@! Like Bucket said earlier, you can run much lighter and havE just as well gains.(MORE DOESN'T MEAN BETTER) I WILL STAY AWAY FROM COMMENTING ON THIS ON, IT COULD USE ALOT OF WORK.

-MICK

[anaholic]

you going to do all that on you first cycle?, looks like you got enough shit there to last a year!

[Beetlejuice]

Bumping Mickey big time.