deca and novadex questions

[pole_man23]

A buddy of mine is taking deca what doesages should he use. should he tapper up and down, your just use a straight cycle

[mickeymbbc]

Well.... you have a little Idea brutha. For one thing, there is no reason to tapper up and down in a cycle. Tappering is very out dated.

When you get a chance, in your search box on top type in PCT. It will bring up all kinds of information that you need, read up on it and come back and post your PCT.

In addition, I think that you need to do a shit load more of researching, because A all DECA CYCLE IS VOTED ONE OF THE WORST CYCLES TO DO IN THE WORLD(NEXT TO A ALL ORAL CYCLE THAT IS) Just by the way that you posted up what you want to do tells me that you need to read a shit load more. PLEASE READ, WHEN YOU HAVE A IDEA OF WHAT KIND OF CYCLE THAT YOU WANT TO DO POST IT UP AND I WILL HELP YOU WITH IT. BUT YOU NEED TO TRY AND DO SOME OF THE WORK YOURSELF SO YOU UNDERSATND WHAT YOU ARE TAKING. I GOOD PLACE TO START WOULD BE TO START READING THE PROFILES ON JUICE AND WHAT THEY DO.



-MICK

[Bucket]

Well.... you have a little Idea brutha. For one thing, there is no reason to tapper up and down in a cycle. Tappering is very out dated.

When you get a chance, in your search box on top type in PCT. It will bring up all kinds of information that you need, read up on it and come back and post your PCT.

In addition, I think that you need to do a shit load more of researching, because A all DECA CYCLE IS VOTED ONE OF THE WORST CYCLES TO DO IN THE WORLD(NEXT TO A ALL ORAL CYCLE THAT IS) Just by the way that you posted up what you want to do tells me that you need to read a shit load more. PLEASE READ, WHEN YOU HAVE A IDEA OF WHAT KIND OF CYCLE THAT YOU WANT TO DO POST IT UP AND I WILL HELP YOU WITH IT. BUT YOU NEED TO TRY AND DO SOME OF THE WORK YOURSELF SO YOU UNDERSATND WHAT YOU ARE TAKING. I GOOD PLACE TO START WOULD BE TO START READING THE PROFILES ON JUICE AND WHAT THEY DO.



-MICK


Yep! There it is. :)

[cybolics]

Mick is right. BUT...if you insist on doing a deca only cycle here are a few things you need to know. First I wouldn't recommend tapering it either. Also, the cycle you mentioned is way too short for deca. The effects of deca don't really become apparent for the first 4-5 weeks. A deca only cycle needs to be 12 weeks. Also, the negative effects of deca are from a progestegenic conversion, not from aromatization, so the nolva isn't going to do much good. Clomid and/or Proviron would kick-start your nads better than the nolva. Winny would counter the progestegenic effects. Just know that it can be hard on the joints.

Deca can also kill your sex drive quicker than a picture of Janet Reno, so adding some test would be a good idea.

I'm assuming this is your first cycle and you're worried about side effects. My first cycle was 400 mg deca/250 mg sustanon a week for 12 weeks. Not the best cycle in the world, admittedly, but I gained 25 pounds on it with no sides, and kept about 18 of it.

You need to post your stats and your goals with your cycle as well, it helps everyone give you more accurate advice.

[Beetlejuice]

Dbol works well with Decca. I don't know I hear a lot people say they don't think tapering is needed, but it really doesn't hurt you, and I do believe it helps some just not a lot. Now there are some studies that show it is good for highly androgenic gear. Personally I think it is a waste of good gear. A good dose and routine of clomid starting a couple of weeks after your done should do the trick. If your cycle length is 10 weeks or over then you need to seriously look into HCG with that clomid. Well any way stack something with that Decca it works well with most everything.

Good luck friend!

[Tyree33]

I agree w/ the above statements by everyone else here. No matter what your exp. w/ gear is, a deca only cycle is almost useless imo., especially at that low of dosage. Let us in on your goals and what you hope to achieve by going this route. A good beginner run would be dbol 30-40mg/day for 6 wks and 400-600mg/wk for at least 8 wks but preferably 12. You could even throw some test into it. Make sure you do A LOT of post cycle therapy research. We're here to help but the literature is out there just do a little leg work and good luck.

[anaholic]

I would have to disagree, a decca only cycle does well for me and any way how many of you guys have done decca by its self, i cant even count all the times ive done it by its self and its one of my favorites,
if your new to this that little cycle is just fine
you wont need any nolvadex either, not with what your doing
if anything just do a little clomid at the end, you may not even need that, if your balls get smaller take some, they probably wont though

[anaholic]

Iwould jump right onto 500mg per week of sustunon after that little decca cycle, one thing about it is youll look good, looking good is what its all about, personally i dont think the puffy bloated look, and the rounded face look is in and i dont know any chicks that like it either.

[anaholic]

just keep your decca cycle like it is and add the sustanon in on week 7
week 7 150mg decca, 500 mg sust
week 8 100mg decca, 500mg sust
then run the sust a few more weeks by its self, after that you may need PCT

[mickeymbbc]

I would have to disagree, a decca only cycle does well for me and any way how many of you guys have done decca by its self, i cant even count all the times ive done it by its self and its one of my favorites,
if your new to this that little cycle is just fine
you wont need any nolvadex either, not with what your doing
if anything just do a little clomid at the end, you may not even need that, if your balls get smaller take some, they probably wont though


FIRST OF ALL EVERYONE KNOWS THAT IT TAKES ALOT FOR ME TO GET IRRATATED, BUT NOW I AM............

Anaholic: PLEASE, LAY OUT ALL THE CYCLES THAT YOU HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, ALONG WITH YOUR PCT.(AND FULL DIET ATTACHED)

I can't sit here and read this without getting pissed off...........A ALL DECA CYCLE SUCKSSSSSS ASSSS. PLease dont give that kind of advice out on this board. A all deca cycle is a thing of the past and will not be used by many at all. TO ANYONE THAT IS LISTENING, PLEASE DONT TRY A ALL DECA CYCLE UNLESS YOU REALLY NOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING, OR YOUR DICK WILL NOT BE WORKING WELL FOR SOME TIME.

A deca cycle is possible, but only for people with experienced, like myself. There are many things to consider with a all deca cycle, and if you are not exp, or a competitor like me, you are going to run into BIG PROBLEMS.


-mick

[Bucket]

LMAO!!! I don't think I could have said it any better.

An all deca cycle is not a good idea on so many levels and to not run a proper PCT is is just the same.

Deca will supresse natural test and also leave your libido as far down as watching Janet Reno in a porn movie.

You can run deca with good results but you will have to take something to counter act the loss of libido. And you will need a proper PCT to get you natural test production up and running again. So all in all just doing deca alone with nothing else is just begging for problems.

[anaholic]

the first cycle i did was in 87, all i have of doing cycles is bad memories, in 94 i was on the muscle media cruise ship and met dan duchaine after talking with him a few hours he had me convinced to stay on year round and switch every 3 weeks, so thats what ive been doing for the last 10 years, well except when i went nateral for 3 years, but other than that i have become convinced that its best to run low dosages, switching every 3 weeks, for long periods of time, i really feel the dosages you guys are describing are to high, and iam judging decca by the way it makes me look, thats all that matters anymore i already know how big i can get, and thats not my goal anymore, and i dont think its most peoples goals, most just want to look good, my aproach toward pct is different also, i only take it as needed,if my hair starts to fallout i then take proscar, if my nipples get a little sore or puffy ill then take noladex, if my balls start to shrink ill take some clomid, if my blood pressure goes up ill take some dyazide, if i get zits ill take some accutane, i have no set time to take anything i just take it as needed, ive tried the cycle thing and i have to say duchaines method that iam using works better, how can you knock it without trying it,also this was what i took on my last so called cycle and i do not recomend that any body do this, this was 2 years ago when i was still competing, iam just getting to old and masters is not an option, and any way i never could get my hams and calves to come in
stanazol
primobolan
parabolin
decca
restandol
proviron
cytadren
clomid
humatrope
humulin L
T3
accutane
lasix/dyazide
proscar
i typically did something like that twice a year, i learned to avoid test,d-bol,anadrol, like i said i woulnt recomend anybody try this kind of cycle
and anyway what i really wanted to write was after the sust jump right on to something else but i didnt because it would be to upsetting for everyone
if you wish ill keep my opinions to myself, its up to you

[mickeymbbc]

the first cycle i did was in 87, all i have of doing cycles is bad memories, in 94 i was on the muscle media cruise ship and met dan duchaine after talking with him a few hours he had me convinced to stay on year round and switch every 3 weeks, so thats what ive been doing for the last 10 years, well except when i went nateral for 3 years, but other than that i have become convinced that its best to run low dosages, switching every 3 weeks, for long periods of time, i really feel the dosages you guys are describing are to high, and iam judging decca by the way it makes me look, thats all that matters anymore i already know how big i can get, and thats not my goal anymore, and i dont think its most peoples goals, most just want to look good, my aproach toward pct is different also(how is your approach?), i only take it as needed,if my hair starts to fallout i then take proscar, if my nipples get a little sore or puffy ill then take noladex, if my balls start to shrink ill take some clomid(why? there are better things), if my blood pressure goes up ill take some dyazide, if i get zits ill take some accutane(why would you want to dry yourself up that bad, are you predisposed?), i have no set time to take anything i just take it as needed, ive tried the cycle thing and i have to say duchaines method that iam using works better, how can you knock it without trying it(its not a knock, its just not ethical anymore),also this was what i took on my last so called cycle and i do not recomend that any body do this, this was 2 years ago when i was still competing can you post up any pictures for us?, iam just getting to old and masters is not an option, and any way i never could get my hams and calves to come in
Thats funny ya know, when I sit back and read this I notice a couple things. I can tell that most things that you write are not from exp, but from reading.
You state that you do things the old ways, but the answers that you gave above are not from the old ways, they are from reading. So it tells me alot about what kind of person that you are?@ You want to give someone advice on your exp, but give different advice on what you read from our future learnings????stanazol
primobolan
parabolin
decca
restandol
proviron
cytadren
clomid
humatrope
humulin L
T3
accutane
lasix/dyazide
proscar
i typically did something like that twice a year, i learned to avoid test,d-bol,anadrol, like i said i woulnt recomend anybody try this kind of cycle
and anyway what i really wanted to write was after the sust jump right on to something else but i didnt because it would be to upsetting for everyone
if you wish ill keep my opinions to myself, its up to you

Brutha, you got it all wrong@@#! Nobody here is asking you to keep your oppinions to yourself. Everybody should join in.(but the all deca thing is crazy) BUT NOW I GET IT, YOU ARE A OLD DOG SET IN HIS WAYS....

To me it sounds like you never grew out of the olds ways at all. IMO If you would have taking time to learn things as they changed, you would have a diffferent view on what you are doing(but you know what they say, "you cant teach a old dog new tricks") Staying on all year around anymore are people that are on HRT, BUT I sure that you are not on that or you would have told us. I think that you are so use to staying on year around that you will never change. Its a shame....If you only new that you could have looked a hell of alot better if you stoped to learn when things changed. What kind of PCT do you do, I am curious to know???????? What you are doing is not a proper cycle at all. All you are doing is constantly staying on juice. I don't know what you are trying to accomplish with that?@# Most people don't care to know how much they are harming there selfs by staying on, all they worry about is getting big, in addition they get addicted to gear on the way(but are in denile about it). Don't ever be skidish about voicing your oppinions around here, voicing your oppinion is cool. But please remember that things do change in the world and we grow more advanced every year and learn from our mistakes. Following something the in the olds ways in regards to working-out and stuff like that is cool, but when it comes to juice(drugs) things change.

[anaholic]

ya ill admit im addicted and i didnt like the way i looked or the way i felt when i went nateral, and iam in good health i have my bloodwork done every 6 months, i did have a couple problems a few years ago that i fixd my self, my SGOT, LDL,was high and my urinary ph was low, by doing liver cleanses i was able to staighten out my SGOT and cholesteral and i got my urinary ph up to 6.5 by taking magnesium before bedtime, todate there is not a value on my blood work that is not in thje desired range

[anaholic]

Mick your saying that iam writting what i have read, and not expieranced , and it seems to me that what iam writing could only come from expierance because i have never seen any writings such as mine if you have seen anything like what iam writing please let me know who the author is, as i would much like to read it

[mickeymbbc]

You just dont understand at all do you brutha, I am also not a kid and have been competeing for over 20 years(thats not the issue though) I only reason that I know alot of stuff you are posting is from reading is because, I have been dealing with his kind of canned answers for about that many years. I am on here to help people, not harm them, that is my job as a MOD along with many others on here. And if you want to see some of your type of responses then just surf the net and go to some of the other boards(there are many out there) And you will see almost the exact same conversations that I am having with you. In addition you will almost never see any MOD give a all deca cycle to anyone, wheather hes a newbie or a vet. This is not the only board that I work at on the net, there are mant others, but some of the more private ones you will need a reference for. Bottom line is, if you want to keep doing deca by itself without any anti's, than more power to you. Like I said earlier, you cant teach a old dog new tricks.

PS. Not that I dont believe you, but to run a cycle year around and not much happen to you inside, then I guess you are Superman. Because if you know much about blood work as you seem to say, then you would know that you should run it more than once every 6 months to be on the safe side. I dont do blood work as much as some of the other guys that compete with me, but I do it more than every 6 months. ALL I CAN SAY IS IF YOU ARE ON YEAR AROUND, THAN TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF BRUTHA, BECAUSE YOU WILL NEED IT IN THE END.



-MICK

[mickeymbbc]

In addition, if you get a chance, please show us what kind of blood work that you have done(in detail if possible)

Anaholic, I want you to know that all of us on here value you oppinion, but if we see anything that looks a liitle sour or something that might not be good for someone, we are going to interact quickly. So don't ever take nothing offensively bro. I am sure that you are very nice guy, I can tell that by your mannerisms, and I appreciate that very much. There are many boards that I have been on for many years, and everyone that knows me, know's that I am a very peaceful individual. But we do have to protect some of the younger generation that hasn't done juice before. We don't want to point them in the wrong direction. Just because something has worked for us in the past doesn't mean that we will give that advice to a newbie. They have to work there way up the ladder because its safer for them. So many kids are comming straight out of high school wanting to do this stuff and its scarry as hell. I wish when I was young I would have had someone give me the correct advice so I wouldnt have made all them mistakes that I did. So when we give advice to a younger gentalmen, we want to be careful not to shut him down for life, because that CAN HAPPEN. Since we cant change the mind of some of these younger kids wanting to take shit, the least that we can do is guide them in the right direction. ok, I got a little sentimental for a minute.


-mick

[anaholic]

ive never really surfed the net the only reason i got on here is because it was a link at alinshop, and i feel guilty for the amountof time ive spent on this board, and i didnt mean to insult anyone but the idea that i got from you all was that everybody stacked, while i believe in taking one thing at a time, and i personally liked the way i look on decca, and i was trying to steer him into getting on some sust which would mean it wasnt a decca only cycle, but you have to admit it looks pretty dumb to be bloated/puffy with a big round face and i think back and iam embarresed for ever walking around like that, lean and hard is were its at thats what really turns heads,

[mickeymbbc]

Everybody has there won preference brutha, what I do, you may not like or vice-versa. We all value one anothers oppinion on here. BELEIVE IT OR NOT, I LIKE TO RUN MANY CYCLES WITH ONE THING AT A TIME TOO. THATS HOW I LEARN WHAT WORKS BEST FOR ME, WITH MINIMAL SIDE EFFECTS. THEN WHEN I KNOW WHAT WORKS BEST FOR ME I START STACKING HERE OR THERE, DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE OF MEET THAT I HAVE COMMING UP. ALL I WAS TRYING TO SAY IS THAT I AND MANY OTHERS ON HERE WILL NOT GO WITH A DECA ONLY CYCLE, UNLESS WE HAVE ANTI'S TO CONTERACT THE SIDES THAT COME WITH IT. THANKS FOR ALL YOUR IMPUT BRUTHA............NOTHING WRONG WITH A GREAT DEBATE:) THATS HOW WE ALL LEARN.



-MICK

[bdog]

Damn now thats a debate.....

[anaholic]

sorry for steppin on your toes mick

[anaholic]

Are you doing the decca only cycle, if so what week are you on?

[mickeymbbc]

sorry for steppin on your toes mick


You didn't step on my toes brutha, thank you anyway :)



-mick

[anaholic]

Mick
i never really thought about it but if you spend your spare time on the PC trying to help people then you deserve credit for it, iam just doing it because iam trying to learn how to use this pc i just got, speaking of which how do you guys get those little pitures by your names, any way if you are keeping people from hurting thierselves then keep up the good work

[anaholic]

poleman
well thats interesting, your in iraq and you cant get to big while your there because you would get caught, and you want to look good when you come home in a couple of months.very interesting
in that case i would order some primobolan and start on it as soon as you get it , hopefully it wont be more than a couple weeks, Iaim very partial to a decca,primobolan stack, it makes for a striated look, i dont know how much decca you have but i would stay at 400mg per week until its gone and not taper it, if you order 1 bottle of primobolan i would do 200mg per week for five weeks(10ccs) as far as this limp dick thing with decca goes i honestly dont know what to say, i never new that was a side effect and ive never ever in my life had a problem with getting a boner, but then again ive never done a fat chick, but as far as your nipples go and i am speaking for myself and no one on this board, i would only take nolvadex if my nipples got sore or puffy, if they are sore or puffy then i would start taking it immediatley, if not i wouldnt take it at all, i mean that shits not cheap, it would be a good idea to take some clomid after your cycle though.

[mickeymbbc]

Mick
speaking of which how do you guys get those little pitures by your names,

Go up to your userCP at the top and then click on edit your Avatar, from there you can upload a picture that you like.



-mick

[BigO]

I've always used test with every cycle I've done I USUALLY GO 40% DECA AND 60% TEST...I NEVER RUN MY DECA TO CLOSE TO THE TEST DOSES...

Now I've used deca only before as maintenance in between cycles...I'm talking anywhere from 100-300 mg's of deca and keep proviron ready jusy in case...I prefer proviron more than nolva...I use the nolva for my anti-gyno med...If I use d-bol which I can't anymore.I wouldn't recomend that for someone with little or no experience with the gear...

[mickeymbbc]

I always keep proviron on hand too brutha, it does wonders:)


-mick

[BigO]

I know a few people that stayed on year round and every 1 of them got seriously fucked up....Here's a few names...Ted Arcidi very good friend of mine,725 bench..Bob Dempsey,2200 total..dead...K.Kiley,625 bench almost lost his leg..These are all power lifters...

I'm 48 years old and started using the gear in 1982...Back then Dan was the only reference we could use back then...Now with the new age most of his theories have been proven WRONG...FACT....Now there's the Mick's crap and then there's a book out there...Building The Perfect Beast..

Did you notice that Dan's dead....Not having blood work is suicide my friend...

Now I believe in long cycles 20-30 weeks and perhaps a maintenace dose in between but at some point you have to clear out your receptor's...

I'm not raging on you brutha but some of the in-experienced people don't need to hear this info...IMO...I wish you luck and please get your blood work done...

[sTaTic]

about 2 to 3 years ago (maybe longer) I stayed on for about 1 yr and a half. All was good when i was on but when i got off, thats when the problems started. Not only is it bad for your health, it's a killer on your self esteem when you dont have that edge anymore. I had to take 2 yrs off just to get myself back to normal. I shrunk but i feel much better doing things the correct way.

oh and I did all the pct you can imagine but when your body relys on outside chemicals for that long, you will crash and hard. I dont care who you are.

Blood work is a must at least in between cycles.

[anaholic]

are you saying i dont have blood work done?
dan said his kidney problems happened when he was in prison, he weighed like 130 pounds when he got out because he wouldnt eat the food in there he thought they were poisoning him.
there comes a point in everybodies carrer when you cannot get any bigger, this is when it is wise to stop doing cycles, ther is no point in it, i like to do low doses year around, i never let my balls shrink up, thats the key, if your dumb enough to stay on year round with balls the size of peas i guess you diserve it, but the way i do it, i get all the positive benifits, and avoid the negative, rest assured i am a very healthy 40 year old, i am way ahead of the rest, i just did another round of dimercaprol, and i have quite eating grocery store food, i have become skilled at using a syncro meter and as a result dont have any bacterias or parasites living in me, my last liver flush showed a very small amount of stones, my nateral test levels are just over 300 nanograms per decolitre of blood, iam simply putting my level in the medium high range, but avoiding androgenic compounds

[sTaTic]

I wasn't saying you weren't doing blood work. All I meant is that it is necessary. I admit the way i stayed on was stupid but thats where I learned. Fortunately, I didn't mess myself up permanently.

I wasn't pointing my opinions toward anyone. Just posting information for people so that they dont make the same mistakes I did. That's all. I'm not here to flame people or tell them they are wrong.

[BigO]

Well I'm 47 and I try and avoid androgens like the plague....You have to clean out your receptors at some point...

I totally agree with static on this one...It's just younger members don't need to hear about staying on that long that's all..

It's your life be safe bro!