EQ, D-bol, Test E cycle

[life]

what do you guys think about this bulk cycle:
weeks 1-10 EQ 400mg/ week T
weeks 1-10 Test Enanthate 250mg/week
weeks 1-5 D-bol 30 mg/ day
weeks 1-11 Letro 1.25mg EOD
Nolvadex and Clomid for PCT

I've only ran a cut cycle about 1 1/2 years ago of EQ, winni tabs, and oral "Masteron".
I am 5ft '11' 10%bf and about 210lbs. i've never ran test before and i want to avoid sides which is why i am keeping the test dose low.
Also i would like to just inject the EQ and Test E. once a week all in one shot, but i heard that unstable test levels can cause acne and other bad sides so is it better to inject twice per week or will once per week be fine ?

[Cockney nutjob]

Hi Life,

Your cycle seems spot on to me and it looks like you've certainly done your home work.
This is the same stack as a pro bro of mine uses, with the only difference being he has a base level of 500-750mg of Test E per week. Apart from that, everything else is the same and shows you know what you're doing.
I wouldn't be at all concerned with the level of Test that you're going to run with, 250mg should be fine but if the results are not as good as you want you can always up the dose to 500mg per week.
The once a week application of Test E will be fine too. I work in the Pharma industry and All the studies I've been in volved with regarding Test levels have shown that you could even go as long as 10-14 days between shots without incurring any major blips in blood levels or related side and more importantly the efficiecy of the drug is still high.
The only thing you may miss out on is the rise in the bodies natural related growth factors such as IGF etc as these are shown to rise by 20-25% when Test is applied at a rate of 0.3mg per pound of bodyweight per day (or put simply, 2.1mg per pound of body weight per week ie, 200pound = 420mg test)
I would not use an Oral of any kind for more than 4 weeks and would advise going 4weeks on/ 4weeks off and would recommend that you get a full blood count, Liver test etc every 6weeks. If it's all OK keep going.

As for the length of the cycle, if your Bloods etc are always clear, if you're still growing and making progress and your receptors are Ok then you could run the Injectables for 6 months maybe more.
I know this might sound crazy but believe me it's true.
One misconception that a lot of guys who use gear have is on the subject of receptor downgrade & Cycle length. Anyway I digress and the whole arguement about receptors and cycle length can be saved for another time.

I hope this helps and best of luck.
Let us know how you get on.

Cheers bro,
Cockney

[Bucket]

Hi Life,

Your cycle seems spot on to me and it looks like you've certainly done your home work.
This is the same stack as a pro bro of mine uses, with the only difference being he has a base level of 500-750mg of Test E per week. Apart from that, everything else is the same and shows you know what you're doing.
I wouldn't be at all concerned with the level of Test that you're going to run with, 250mg should be fine but if the results are not as good as you want you can always up the dose to 500mg per week.
The once a week application of Test E will be fine too. I work in the Pharma industry and All the studies I've been in volved with regarding Test levels have shown that you could even go as long as 10-14 days between shots without incurring any major blips in blood levels or related side and more importantly the efficiecy of the drug is still high.
The only thing you may miss out on is the rise in the bodies natural related growth factors such as IGF etc as these are shown to rise by 20-25% when Test is applied at a rate of 0.3mg per pound of bodyweight per day (or put simply, 2.1mg per pound of body weight per week ie, 200pound = 420mg test)
I would not use an Oral of any kind for more than 4 weeks and would advise going 4weeks on/ 4weeks off and would recommend that you get a full blood count, Liver test etc every 6weeks. If it's all OK keep going.

As for the length of the cycle, if your Bloods etc are always clear, if you're still growing and making progress and your receptors are Ok then you could run the Injectables for 6 months maybe more.
I know this might sound crazy but believe me it's true.
One misconception that a lot of guys who use gear have is on the subject of receptor downgrade & Cycle length. Anyway I digress and the whole arguement about receptors and cycle length can be saved for another time.

I hope this helps and best of luck.
Let us know how you get on.

Cheers bro,
Cockney


Very good post and advise.

I would however raise the test dose a bit. The reason behind it is at 250mg per week you are not really doing anything more than shutting down your own test production and replacing it with artificial test. If you bump the test up to 400 you should have a nice little cycle there.

And I like long cycles as well. ;)

[Cockney nutjob]

Hi Bucket,

thanks for the input and comments on the reply I posted.

I get your point you make about the Test E being relatively low at 250mg and agree that it could/ should be bumped up, which is why I put in the comment about IgF levels being raised considerably when Test is applied at 2.1mg per pound of body weight or for a 200 pound Bro, this acquates to 420mg of Test per week.

Cheers B,
C NJ.

[Bucket]

I completly agree with you on it bro. I just wanted to reinterate the point of low doses doing nothing more than shutting down your own production.

BTW you don't have a link for the IGF study do you? I have read a little about it but always like more info.

Thanks bro.

[Cockney nutjob]

Hi B,

I'll try and post as much of the info as I have on IgF and other growth factor increases that are trigured by using Test.
I have a really interesting study where Test E was compared to Stanozolol to see if they both trigured a rise in IgF. The Stan was used at .1mg P/P per day (200 pound guy - 20mg ED) and the Test was at 2.1 mg p/p per week.
The Stan did not induce any increase at all but the Test E raised levels by 22-25% in all cases.

Give me until Monday to try and put the info togther so it makes sense and cuts out the technical jargon and scientific mumbo jumbo and I'll put something up here.

Hopefully it will be of interest and come in handy as a guide.

Have a great weekend Bro,
C nj

[Bucket]

I'll look forward to see it. Thanks again.

[life]

I appreciate the input guys. I will go ahead and up the test e. to 500mg/week.
I was told by a member on another site to not run the letro in this cycle, but I am prone to gyno - small lumps under each of my nipples but it's not bad enough to pay for surgery , and I want to keep water weight down. I could run Nolva throughout instead, but I prefer to use it for PCT instead. I also read that letro has the potential to possibly lessen current gyno which sounds appealing. Supposedly though letro can kill my libido at 1.25mg/day.
Ok..so basically I am a little confused on how to run letro and if i should run it. Any help in this matter would be great.

[big49ersfan]

i was under the illusion that letro stopped progestron related gyno, that is what i was told it could a lot of rubbish but it should be run if your using tren as this can casue prog gyno.

if you want a normal anti-e go for a'dex or prov, prov will be good for your labido or may be i have never done it but run prov with the leto and may the prov and letro will even itsle fout and make your labido normal.

any other thought i think what i said is accurate