A-dex and Nolva during cycle?

[allstud]

I'm doing 150 mg of test. prop. EOD with 400mg of EQ. Also taking .25 arimidex ED to keep down bloating since I'm cutting not bulking. When I ordered my gear I got 200 Nolva because I planned on running 10mg ED to keep down gyno. What I didn't think about was that A-dex blocks estrogen and nolva blocks and inhibits estrogen receptors. Would it be harmful or beneficial to run 10mg ED of nolva along with .25mg ED of arimidex or should I just save the nolva for post cycle. Here is what my cycle looks like.
wk 1-12 test. prop. 150mg EOD
wk 1-7 EQ 400mg wk
wk 7-12 winstrol 50mg ED
wk 1-12 arimidex .25mg ED

PCT.
wk 1
Nolva 40mg ED/HCG 300-500iu ED
wk2
Nolva 30mg ED/HCG 300-500iu ED
wk 3
Nolva 20mg ED/HCG 300-500iu ED

Could you guys help me out on this one? preferably guys that have lots of experience under their belt? Can I safely run nolva and a-dex together during cycle and then continue on with the pct. I have listed? I know that the combo can slightly inhibit and reduce the effects of the a-dex but the nolva would help boost nat. test. What's your best advice I'm all ears, thanks for your help guys I appreciate it.

[Bucket]

I'm doing 150 mg of test. prop. EOD with 400mg of EQ. Also taking .25 arimidex ED to keep down bloating since I'm cutting not bulking. When I ordered my gear I got 200 Nolva because I planned on running 10mg ED to keep down gyno. What I didn't think about was that A-dex blocks estrogen and nolva blocks and inhibits estrogen receptors. Would it be harmful or beneficial to run 10mg ED of nolva along with .25mg ED of arimidex or should I just save the nolva for post cycle. Here is what my cycle looks like.
wk 1-12 test. prop. 150mg EOD
wk 1-7 EQ 400mg wk
wk 7-12 winstrol 50mg ED
wk 1-12 arimidex .25mg ED

PCT.
wk 1
Nolva 40mg ED/HCG 300-500iu ED
wk2
Nolva 30mg ED/HCG 300-500iu ED
wk 3
Nolva 20mg ED/HCG 300-500iu ED

Could you guys help me out on this one? preferably guys that have lots of experience under their belt? Can I safely run nolva and a-dex together during cycle and then continue on with the pct. I have listed? I know that the combo can slightly inhibit and reduce the effects of the a-dex but the nolva would help boost nat. test. What's your best advice I'm all ears, thanks for your help guys I appreciate it.

Save the nolva for PCT.

Also you might want to re check your PCT schedual. You have it on weeks 1,2,and3 it should be sarting the day after your last shot.

Also don't run the hcg durring your pct. Your chances of getting Prog. gyno will greatly go up. If you see shrinkage then run 500iu's every 5 or 7 days but make sure they are up to par before you start your pct.

[mickeymbbc]

Save the nolva for PCT.

Also you might want to re check your PCT schedual. You have it on weeks 1,2,and3 it should be sarting the day after your last shot.

Also don't run the hcg durring your pct. Your chances of getting Prog. gyno will greatly go up. If you see shrinkage then run 500iu's every 5 or 7 days but make sure they are up to par before you start your pct.


Bump Bucket, nice points brutha





-mick

[allstud]

Save the nolva for PCT.

Also you might want to re check your PCT schedual. You have it on weeks 1,2,and3 it should be sarting the day after your last shot.

Also don't run the hcg durring your pct. Your chances of getting Prog. gyno will greatly go up. If you see shrinkage then run 500iu's every 5 or 7 days but make sure they are up to par before you start your pct.
The thing about the pct weeks 1,2,3 was a typo, that is starting the day after my last shot. I have thought about running some hcg though during my cyle at 300-500iu once a week. About the hcg during pct, I was just reading an article on a link posted on another thread about hcg and nolva during pct and it was talking about how the hcg doesn't directly produce testosterone but works hand in hand with the nolva to help bring things back up to par a little faster. I used to be on S.E. until my membership expired (I think me and you have talked before on there, my screen name was debibirk, but I'm a dude) but when I was on there I was checking out the pct and researching it a lot and i'm coming up conflicted because there is a lot of different feedback and opinions on this stuff. If you are on S.E. then I'm sure that you know who Willis is, he's the one that perfected this cycle for me and talked me out of running a sustanon and anavar cyle. Can I get some more feedback on this topic so that I can make a solid decision, doing my pct properly is the most important thing to me. I don't want to do anymore cycles (I'm getting real fucking tired of stabbing myself in the ass EOD). Also, I've had torn tendons in both of my forearms from curling too much for about 4 or 5 months now. I was trying to wait until they healed but it is taking too long. My problem is that I'm fresh into this cycle and I'm not going to stop for 10 1/2 more weeks but my forearms hurt so bad that the only thing I feel like doing is my chest because it doesn't hurt them. Whether I stop working out or not isn't going to matter because I tear the hell out of them when I'm at work anyways, pain killers don't help the slightest bit either. Do any of you know what I can do to strengthen them? Bucket I appreciate your help brotha and I'm taking it into serious consideration, I just want to get as many opinions as possible since there are so many that conflict each other. Everything you said makes perfect sense though. Can I run the arimidex during pct with the nolva to keep down the estrogen and bloat or is that overkill. Thanks for all the help dog, I mean it, I'm out

[mickeymbbc]

I am also on SE and I do remeber you brutha, I am a little confussed about what you are asking. What wexactly are you trying to do?????????




-mick

[mickeymbbc]

Bro, if your forarms is what you are talking about, the only choice that you have is letting them heal up first, or you are going to hurt yourself for life...YOU MAY BE ABLE TO TAKE SOMETHING TO CAMOUFLAGE THE PAIN FOR NOW, BUT THATS IT. WHEN YOU ARE DONE DOING A CYCLE THE PAIN WILL RETURN.


-MICK

[allstud]

what I'm trying to accomplish I guess is this. My questions about the a-dex and nolva running at the same time is because when I ordered my gear I messed up and ordered 200 nolva that I'm not going to need now, I'm just trying to figure out a way to use them all up and if there would be a benefit to taking the two together during the cycle. About the hcg and running it pct., I'm just trying to get real specific clarity on that since most guys say to run it during pct and then some say to do it during. What you guys have said makes perfect sense to me and I agree with it, I'm just trying to get a well rounded answer, I guess. Did that make sense???I don't know what the hell I'm saying. And the thing about my forearms I just threw in there because it came to mind. I'm just taking it real light with repetitions instead of weight. I would wait until they healed to start working out again but they get hurt during the day when I'm at work, so unless I quit my job what's the point of resting them. It's a catch 22, I'm dambed if I do and I'm dambed if I don't ,know what I mean? But as far as you know there is no kind of vitamin or supplement I can take to try and speed up my recovery? Thanks for your help bro, I appreciate it.

[anaholic]

do you use wrist straps on back day? do you squeeze the bar or palm it, do you put your thumbs out when gripping the bar, read up on accupressure and try that, save the nolvadex for another time

[allstud]

no I don't use straps, I squeeze the bar not palm it, and no I don't put my thumbs out when gripping it.

[anaholic]

sorry,iwas just trying to help

[allstud]

Hey bro, sorry if that came off sounding rude. I was pressed for time when I responded to you so I just put the answer to your questions as you listed them. I appreciate you trying to help and if you have any good advice for me then I'd love to hear it....sorry man, I didn't mean to come off like a dick.

[mickeymbbc]

what I'm trying to accomplish I guess is this. My questions about the a-dex and nolva running at the same time is because when I ordered my gear I messed up and ordered 200 nolva that I'm not going to need now, I'm just trying to figure out a way to use them all up and if there would be a benefit to taking the two together during the cycleNO, NO BENNIFIT,UNLESS YOU ARE RUNNING A HARD CYCLE(You never can have too much novadex brutha, its nice to have them on hand for gyno, I wouldn't try to use them up. About the hcg and running it pct., I'm just trying to get real specific clarity on that since most guys say to run it during pct and then some say to do it during. What you guys have said makes perfect sense to me and I agree with it, I'm just trying to get a well rounded answer, I guess( A well rounded answer is what we gave you, HCG is only used to get your nuts back up to par so your pct runs alot smoother) there is no getting around that, if your balls are all shrunk up, then common sence wil tell you that its going to take a bit to get them pumping nomally again, so in return your PCT takes alot longer than you wished. Did that make sense???I don't know what the hell I'm saying. And the thing about my forearms I just threw in there because it came to mind. I'm just taking it real light with repetitions instead of weight. I would wait until they healed to start working out again but they get hurt during the day when I'm at work, so unless I quit my job what's the point of resting them. It's a catch 22, I'm dambed if I do and I'm dambed if I don't ,know what I mean? But as far as you know there is no kind of vitamin or supplement I can take to try and speed up my recovery? Thanks for your help bro, I appreciate it.

If that didn't help let me know



-mick

[allstud]

Hey mick, yeah that helped me out a little bit. I just started running the HCG at 500i.u. every 5-7 days cuz my nuts are fucking hard as a rock. So far I've only done one shot and I need to go pick up some vitamin E, is taking 1000 i.u. of vitamin E the right amount? How long will it take do you think for my balls to start hanging again. Also, I have enough HCG to run 1000 i.u. per week for the rest of my cycle up until I start my pct.. Should I run 1000 i.u. every 7 days or like 800 i.u. every 5 days, something like that? I don't think that it would produce too much estrogen since I'm taking the arimidex ED, so far it has kept off all water retention, I'm just cutting up... gotta say that I'm impressed with it so far. I didn't think that the A-dex actually worked that good until I tried it. To Anaholic: again dog, like I said I wasn't trying to be a dick to you when you were trying to help me. Sometimes things read appear differently than things said. But from what you asked me and what I answered to you, was there anything that I was doing wrong or something that I could do differently that you can see. I was talking to a guy in the gym last night who has his college degree in fitness and nutrition, and I was asking him about my tendons. Not to my surprise, he gave me the same answer that everyone else has given me about taking rest on them. He said try a supplement that aids in the synthesis of protien...I said "Oh, like steriods? I'm already on that program bro but thanks". I've just been asking everyone hoping that somebody has some miracle answer, the truth is that I'm fucked and now I'm just facing the truth. I just started to do lots of light repetions instead of weight. It just takes so damn long to work out like that, I don't have a lot of free time as it is. So, my next step is that I'm going to look into accupressure like you had suggested and see what I come up with. Thanks for all your help guys. Out of curiosity, how many people up on this site are from the states, anyone from Florida? To everyone in the states, I hope you have a Happy Thanksgiving. To everyone outside of the states, Thanksgiving is a holiday where we eat a bunch of turkey and pie and shit. It is a holiday celebrated for when the europeans came to America and took the land from the native american indians, forced them into slavery, forced catholicism on them, burned raped and killed half of them, and promised them land and fucked them by giving them little tiny reservations to live on. Just so you know, I'm not a minority I'm a white guy, I just think that Thanksgiving is a bullshit holiday and should never be celebrated. Anyways, let me get a shout-out from my folks in the states. Have a good weekend!

[mickeymbbc]

Hey mick, yeah that helped me out a little bit. I just started running the HCG at 500i.u. every 5-7 days cuz my nuts are fucking hard as a rock. So far I've only done one shot and I need to go pick up some vitamin E, is taking 1000 i.u. of vitamin E the right amount?What are you wanting to take the Vitamin e for? How long will it take do you think for my balls to start hanging again= not long at all brutha. Also, I have enough HCG to run 1000 i.u. per week for the rest of my cycle up until I start my pct.. Should I run 1000 i.u. every 7 days or like 800 i.u. every 5 days= IMO It will all depend on how much you have to rectify your nuts from the cycle, something like that? I don't think that it would produce too much estrogen since I'm taking the arimidex ED, so far it has kept off all water retention, I'm just cutting up... gotta say that I'm impressed with it so far. I didn't think that the A-dex actually worked that good until I tried it. To Anaholic: again dog, like I said I wasn't trying to be a dick to you when you were trying to help me. Sometimes things read appear differently than things said. But from what you asked me and what I answered to you, was there anything that I was doing wrong or something that I could do differently that you can see. I was talking to a guy in the gym last night who has his college degree in fitness and nutrition, and I was asking him about my tendons. Not to my surprise, he gave me the same answer that everyone else has given me about taking rest on them. He said try a supplement that aids in the synthesis of protien...I said "Oh, like steriods? I'm already on that program bro but thanks". I've just been asking everyone hoping that somebody has some miracle answer, the truth is that I'm fucked and now I'm just facing the truth. I just started to do lots of light repetions instead of weight. It just takes so damn long to work out like that, I don't have a lot of free time as it is. So, my next step is that I'm going to look into accupressure like you had suggested and see what I come up with. Thanks for all your help guys. Out of curiosity, how many people up on this site are from the states=I am from Cleveland Ohio, anyone from Florida? To everyone in the states, I hope you have a Happy Thanksgiving. To everyone outside of the states, Thanksgiving is a holiday where we eat a bunch of turkey and pie and shit. It is a holiday celebrated for when the europeans came to America and took the land from the native american indians, forced them into slavery, forced catholicism on them, burned raped and killed half of them, and promised them land and fucked them by giving them little tiny reservations to live on. Just so you know, I'm not a minority I'm a white guy, I just think that Thanksgiving is a bullshit holiday and should never be celebrated. Anyways, let me get a shout-out from my folks in the states. Have a good weekend!

Let me know if you need anything else brutha,



-mick

[soulmate]

what I'm trying to accomplish I guess is this. My questions about the a-dex and nolva running at the same time is because when I ordered my gear I messed up and ordered 200 nolva that I'm not going to need now, I'm just trying to figure out a way to use them all up and if there would be a benefit to taking the two together during the cycle. About the hcg and running it pct., I'm just trying to get real specific clarity on that since most guys say to run it during pct and then some say to do it during. What you guys have said makes perfect sense to me and I agree with it, I'm just trying to get a well rounded answer, I guess. Did that make sense???I don't know what the hell I'm saying. And the thing about my forearms I just threw in there because it came to mind. I'm just taking it real light with repetitions instead of weight. I would wait until they healed to start working out again but they get hurt during the day when I'm at work, so unless I quit my job what's the point of resting them. It's a catch 22, I'm dambed if I do and I'm dambed if I don't ,know what I mean? But as far as you know there is no kind of vitamin or supplement I can take to try and speed up my recovery? Thanks for your help bro, I appreciate it. The nolv is one of the best anti-estrogens you can take. But you should start taking it after 3 or 4 weeks into your cycle when your body starts producing estrogen and since your taking it for the whole cycle and pct you only need 10 mg ad. When you mentioned hcg works hand in hand,it is proviron that helps hcg bring things back to par. Proviron (mesterolone) is one of the most underated anti-estrogens which works great with nolv and hcg because proviron does something that most other anti-est dosn't and that is end and remove all the estrogen in your body not just tie it up where as soon as you stop the nolv & hcg the estrogen returns and you are right back where you started ! And when you really need the proviron and clomid is not the day after you stop AS. but depending on the gear and ester you need it 3-4 weeks after you stop. Since you would be doing the nolv ed. you won't have any adverse symtoms. I would do the nolv 3-4 weeks after your cycle starts and start the proviron with the nolv after you stop for pct then add clomid after taking the nolv & proviron for 4 weeks after the gear is out of your system,then put it away with 3 weeks of clomid (100mg twice ad first 11 days,50mg last 10 days. The hcg can be used anytime during or after your cycle if you feel you are losing any libido,also proviron is great for making you hard again ( in your muscles & your pecker too !) The ari .25 ad is also a great anti-est. You have to keep working out. Alot of bodybuilders are under the impression that when your cycle is over you go on vacation ! That is the worst time to take your cruise! You should continue to workout (not as hard or long) right through your pct. Then if you want your break,fine. During that cycle you should be pushing yourself to where you can't do your last rep on everything. When the pct starts you should still be doing a decent workout. When it's over what you have is yours till after you stop working out for 3 weeks or more then you start losing even if you weren't on a cycle thats the same amount of time your body stats reversing. It's not going to let you keep all that just to work your tv remote control ! The more idle you are the faster the opposite takes place. I know it's not fair ! Welcome to the world ! soulmate

[jeffvrolyks]

hey if its the tendons in your forearms and not the muscles themselves, I had the same problem for a long time. What i started doing is very light weight curls of 30 to 40 reps for a couple sets. After that I guess enough blood circulated through them to make the lifting-heavy painless. After several weeks of doing this my tendon aches subsided.

[allstud]

Hey mick, what's up dog? From ohio huh? All my relatives on my mom and dad's side are from ohio and still are. Got 'em in Findlay, cinci, columbus, and cleveland. The weird thing is that everyone from both sides was originally from Kentucky, somehow they all ended up across the river. I've been there a bunch but never lived there, have lived in seven other states though. Anyway, that's cool to know your from the states hope you had a good thanksgiving. About the HCG, I had read an article that was about pct. and it had mentioned taking proviron, A-dex, and hcg for pct. It said that if you take 1000 i.u. a day of vitamin e that it somehow makes the hcg more effective, by helping produce more LH or some shit? Know anything about what I'm talking about or was it an article by someone that was taking a wild guess at something. It was a link to an article someone had posted on one of the threads in here. Jeff, I do the light repetitions but it's about a motherfucker of a workout because it takes so long. I'm afraid to start light and then move to heavy because when I had originally torn them I couldn't even close my sliding glass door with one hand and couldn't turn the steering wheel of my car with one hand. That was about 4 months ago and I'm afraid to hurt them even more. Like I had said earlier on, they get torn when I work too so I'm trying not to damage them too much. OH, mick by the way I did have another question for ya. Remember I was telling you that Willis helped me lay out my cycle? I can't remember if I was supposed to run the test. for 10 or 12 weeks, I remember that the winstrol is running until week 12. I want to increase my test intake halfway through my cycle to probably 200mg EOD instead of 150mg EOD. My supply of the test. will last me until week 12 if I keep going about what I'm doing but I want to bump it up a little. If I do that will it hurt me to run the winstrol for 2 weeks without having a test along side it? So you guys know I'm going to be asking for help putting a cycle together for my friend. He does roids and doesn't give a damn how high of a dose he's doing or about pct. or any of that. He takes the advice that I give him because I research this stuff and he doesn't, but he's about to do a cycle that I haven't done. You guys can probably put together a better one than I could and the correct doses, I just want to give him the correct doses of everything since he is wild and could care less about side effects or anything. I appreciate the help guys, I'm gonna get a hold of him and find out what he ordered and how much, I'll get back to you in a little bit.

[allstud]

All right here it is, he got
3 10ml bottles of Trenabol (thinks that it is 200mg)
4 10ml bottles of Andropen 275
1 5000i.u. bottle of HCG
50 tabs of Nolvadex (has to find out the mg per pill)
I can pretty much tell him how to run the pct. but I don't know what doses of the AAS to run and for how long. I'd appreciate the help, if you can lay it out for me to give to him. I can't help the fact that he's a fucking retard...sorry.

[mickeymbbc]

Hey mick, what's up dog? From ohio huh? All my relatives on my mom and dad's side are from ohio and still are. Got 'em in Findlay, cinci, columbus, and cleveland. The weird thing is that everyone from both sides was originally from Kentucky, somehow they all ended up across the river. I've been there a bunch but never lived there, have lived in seven other states though. Anyway, that's cool to know your from the states hope you had a good thanksgiving. About the HCG, I had read an article that was about pct. and it had mentioned taking proviron, A-dex, and hcg for pct. It said that if you take 1000 i.u. a day of vitamin e that it somehow makes the hcg more effective =I think that I remember reading that someware too, by helping produce more LH or some shit? Know anything about what I'm talking about or was it an article by someone that was taking a wild guess at something. It was a link to an article someone had posted on one of the threads in here. Jeff, I do the light repetitions but it's about a motherfucker of a workout because it takes so long. I'm afraid to start light and then move to heavy because when I had originally torn them I couldn't even close my sliding glass door with one hand and couldn't turn the steering wheel of my car with one hand. That was about 4 months ago and I'm afraid to hurt them even more. Like I had said earlier on, they get torn when I work too so I'm trying not to damage them too much. OH, mick by the way I did have another question for ya. Remember I was telling you that Willis helped me lay out my cycle? I can't remember if I was supposed to run the test. for 10 or 12 weeks, I remember that the winstrol is running until week 12. I want to increase my test intake halfway through my cycle to probably 200mg EOD instead of 150mg EOD=IF IT PROP THAT YOU WANT TO INCREASE THATS COOL. My supply of the test. will last me until week 12 if I keep going about what I'm doing but I want to bump it up a little. If I do that will it hurt me to run the winstrol for 2 weeks without having a test along side it=no it will be cool? So you guys know I'm going to be asking for help putting a cycle together for my friend. He does roids and doesn't give a damn how high of a dose he's doing or about pct. or any of that. He takes the advice that I give him because I research this stuff and he doesn't, but he's about to do a cycle that I haven't done. You guys can probably put together a better one than I could and the correct doses, I just want to give him the correct doses of everything since he is wild and could care less about side effects or anything. I appreciate the help guys, I'm gonna get a hold of him and find out what he ordered and how much, I'll get back to you in a little bit.

I hope that helps brutha,


-mick

[allstud]

Yeah bro it did help, thanks. Now for my last question about my friend who ordered that cycle. If one of you can help put that together for me in a cycle it would be greatly appreciated. After that is answered then I will finally shut the fuck up and end this thread with no more posts. I just don't want to see my boy get hurt and he could care less what happens to him. I already posted it a couple lines ago, thanks.

[mickeymbbc]

Post What He Has Again For Me So I Can See What I Can Make Out Of It?

-mick

[bdog]

WHATUP!!! allstud..i'm from Pennsylvania, but live in NC now!!

[allstud]

3 10ml bottles of Trenabol (thinks it's 200mg)
4 10ml bottles of Andropen 275
50 tabs of Nolvadex (has to find out mg dose)
1 5000i.u vial of HCG
Ya know if you weren't being lazy mick you could just take your mouse and click on the icon for page 2....ta da!JK What's up Bdog, you know back when I used to like drama they used to call me Kdog. I've thought about moving to NC...so far I've lived in NY, St.louis, MN, IN, Cali, Seattle, and now FL. I've always been a city boy, I'm trying to slow down a little that's why I think NC would be good. Good people, atmosphere, natural environment, plus I like to snowboard and there isn't a whole lot of places to snowboard in Florida if you know what I mean. Thanks for the help Mick, I'll catch up wit cha later.

[bdog]

I hear you bro, it's pretty chill here and hot women everywhere...i've tried snowboarding for the last 3yrs now, i think i'm gonna try short ski's this year though..my 2 older brothers still live up north so i go back up and we hit the Poconos...

[allstud]

Are you drunk??? You're considering going from a snowboard to ski's? Dog, I skied for about 4 or 5 years and then one day I decided to take one snowboard lesson just to see what it was like.....I NEVER SKIED AGAIN, NOT ONCE!!! You know what people say about skiers compared to boarders right? They call them pussies...I was called a pussy for 4 years and it always pissed me off, I even got into a few fights with snowboarders over it, but you know what...they were right, I was a loser. Bro I'm not bashing you but please take a second and look at what you're about to do here. Snowboarding isn't a hobby, it's a way of life. All in all, I'm just messing with you. Any sport in the snow is cool. I don't know if you're into adrenaline ike I am, and if you like snow sports, check out snowmobiling. It might sound lame, but dude those fucking things go fast...real fast, and if you can work one right you can get pretty radical on them. All right dog I've got a lot of stuff to get done before the nights over, I'm outta here.

[bdog]

LOL...yeah i know, but i heard the short ski's or skiboards(whatever you want to call them)....were fun as hell!!!! that's what i want to try, not regular long ski's...anyways i ain't scared...lol

[allstud]

Hey Mick, you still out there buddy? When you get some free time can you still help me put together that cycle for my friend? I appreciate all the help that you've given me so far. Yeah bro, I don't know anything about the short skis (aren't they a lot slower than regular ones), you can do tricks easier with them can't you? Figured I'll give you fair warning and tell you that if you decide to put on those skis you need to prepare yourself for the consequences......YOU WILL NEVER GET LAID EVER AGAIN. How are the slopes up in NC, are they any good or just so so. All right big pimpin, I'm outta here. Be good

[mickeymbbc]

Sorry Allstud, been having problems at work lately(BEEN BUSY), but I am back now. So basically you are telling me that he has a blend of test, along with tren and Novadex? With ofcourse th hcg incase you need to rectify any situations before PCT RIGHT??

-MICK

[allstud]

It's good bro, I know how it is ya gotta pay the bills somehow. Yeah, he's got the adropen wich is basically like sus., and he's got the trenabol. He's going to run the hcg during and run the nolva for pct.. I can pretty much tell him how to run the nolva 40, 30, and 20 for pct and to do the hcg at 500i.u. during the cycle. I don't know how to blend the two aas though. I don't know enough about trenabol to tell him how much to take, all I know about the andropen is to make sure that he does EOD injects because of the fast acting esters. I have another question about my cycle that just came up that I wanted to ask. I sat down and did the math on how much test prop. I've got. I was doing 150mg EOD up until today. I realized that I only have enough amps to do 100mg EOD for the rest of my 12 week cycle. My concern is this, I know that with stuff like deca you need to have a higher test intake than deca intake. I'm doing 400mg a week of EQ with the test prop, since I only have enough test to do 100mg EOD I end up doing more EQ than of the prop. Is that going to pose a problem? Should I just shorten my 12 weeks to like 10 so that I can up my EOD injects from 100mg. Or, I was thinking about doing all of my test with the EQ and then running the last 5 weeks with winstrol only, would that be OK. I've wanted to pyramid the test anyway but if I do that it will shorten my duration of it. What do you think? My cycle is posted at the beginning of the thread on page one if you need to look at it. Thanks for all your help bro I appreciate it (for real). I'll get back with ya later.

[mickeymbbc]

It's good bro, I know how it is ya gotta pay the bills somehow. Yeah, he's got the adropen wich is basically like sus., and he's got the trenabol. He's going to run the hcg during and run the nolva for pct.. I can pretty much tell him how to run the nolva 40, 30, and 20 for pct and to do the hcg at 500i.u. during the cycle. I don't know how to blend the two aas though. I don't know enough about trenabol to tell him how much to take, all I know about the andropen is to make sure that he does EOD injects because of the fast acting esters. I have another question about my cycle that just came up that I wanted to ask. I sat down and did the math on how much test prop. I've got. I was doing 150mg EOD up until today. I realized that I only have enough amps to do 100mg EOD for the rest of my 12 week cycle. My concern is this, I know that with stuff like deca you need to have a higher test intake than deca intake=not necessarily, if you run out, just run the rest of your EQ with proviron and you will be fine. I'm doing 400mg a week of EQ with the test prop, since I only have enough test to do 100mg EOD I end up doing more EQ than of the prop. Is that going to pose a problem?NO Should I just shorten my 12 weeks to like 10 so that I can up my EOD injects from 100mg=NO NEED, YOU WILL BE OK. Or, I was thinking about doing all of my test with the EQ and then running the last 5 weeks with winstrol only, would that be OK=WINI IS ALWAYS A GOOD END IN A CYCLE, IT ALSO ACTS LIKE A ANTI. I've wanted to pyramid the test anyway but if I do that it will shorten my duration of it. What do you think? My cycle is posted at the beginning of the thread on page one if you need to look at it. Thanks for all your help bro I appreciate it (for real). I'll get back with ya later.

AS far as your freind he can run the HCG THROUGH THE CYCLE LIKE YOU PROPOSED, (BUT IF IT WERE ME, I WOULD ONLY USE IT IF NEEDED(HE MAY NOT NEED IT IF HIS NUTS ARE OK)

75 to 100mg Tren eod if its acetate, if it’s a longer lasting ester he can get away with twice a week

andropen depending on the dosage that he runs= EOD TO REAP THE BENEFITS OF THE SHORTER ACTING ESTERS SO HE CAN KEEP HIS BLOODS LEVELS MORE EVEN AND YIELD BETTER RESULTS.


-MICK

[allstud]

All right my questions have been answered. Thanks for your help bro, I appreciate you taking the time to help me out. When you talked about running the EQ with Proviron I assume that I could probably use Nolva instead, would that be a safe assumption? I think it's time for me to kill this thread seeing as how it's been going on for a while. Thanks everyone for all your help (most of the thanks goes to Mick), I'm outta here.

[mickeymbbc]

All right my questions have been answered. Thanks for your help bro, I appreciate you taking the time to help me out. When you talked about running the EQ with Proviron I assume that I could probably use Nolva instead, would that be a safe assumption? I think it's time for me to kill this thread seeing as how it's been going on for a while. Thanks everyone for all your help (most of the thanks goes to Mick), I'm outta here.


NO!!! THE PRIVIRON IS FOR YOUR LIBIDO, THAT IS WHY I SUGGESTED IT AND NOT THE NOVA. USE THE PROVIRON



Good luck brutha :D :D


-mick

[soulmate]

Will someone answer his question ! Running then together is fine , and it is smart because without the ari the nolv cannot stop the dreaded rebound effect ! Once you stop the nolv ( without proviron,clomid etc. ) there will be nothing on your receptors to keep off your estrogen burdoned blood. So without a good estrogen antagonist ( proviron,clomid,or arimidex ) you would of did all that hard work for nothing ! Also hcg is something like nolv as far as mimicking your system into thinking everything is ok,And that is true till you stop the nolv & hcg,then the shit hits the fan,unless you use a good estrogen antagonist for your pct !

[mickeymbbc]

Will someone answer his question ! Running then together is fine , and it is smart because without the ari the nolv cannot stop the dreaded rebound effect ! Once you stop the nolv ( without proviron,clomid etc. ) there will be nothing on your receptors to keep off your estrogen burdoned blood. So without a good estrogen antagonist ( proviron,clomid,or arimidex ) you would of did all that hard work for nothing ! Also hcg is something like nolv as far as mimicking your system into thinking everything is ok,And that is true till you stop the nolv & hcg,then the shit hits the fan,unless you use a good estrogen antagonist for your pct !


I am lost soulmate??????????? where is this comming from and who is this too??? I am uncertain what you are trying to explain and who are you explaining too
?!@##


-mick

[allstud]

Will someone answer his question ! Running then together is fine , and it is smart because without the ari the nolv cannot stop the dreaded rebound effect ! Once you stop the nolv ( without proviron,clomid etc. ) there will be nothing on your receptors to keep off your estrogen burdoned blood. So without a good estrogen antagonist ( proviron,clomid,or arimidex ) you would of did all that hard work for nothing ! Also hcg is something like nolv as far as mimicking your system into thinking everything is ok,And that is true till you stop the nolv & hcg,then the shit hits the fan,unless you use a good estrogen antagonist for your pct !
I appreciate your feedback brotha but you've got me a little confused too. To my understanding proviron, nolva, and clomid all act the same way doing the same thing...except that proviron is a steriod (not for building muscle). But proviron can be mixed with a-dex and the two will work hand in hand and not diminish the effects of one another as with nolva and a-dex (the potency of the two is lessened, therefore upping your dose. You mentioned taking clomid after the nolva to stop the rebound effect, but clomid is almost identical to nolva and the effects it has so wouldn't that pose the same problem? Arimidex can't even be catorgorized with those because it is an estrogen blocker, nolva, clomid, and proviron block some receptor sites and inhibit others it serves a different purpose than those. Also, I don't get what you are saying about hcg being related to them either...hcg helps your nuts to start to produce luteinizing hormone again, wich is linked to the production of natural testosterone, hcg keeps your nuts from shrinking and going into testicular atrophy. Don't mean to sound rude, but either you needed to clarify and explain yourself a little better or you need to do some more research before you try giving out advice. Either way, I appreciate you trying to help.

[mickeymbbc]

I appreciate your feedback brotha but you've got me a little confused too. To my understanding proviron, nolva, and clomid all act the same way doing the same thing...except that proviron is a steriod (not for building muscle). But proviron can be mixed with a-dex and the two will work hand in hand and not diminish the effects of one another as with nolva and a-dex (the potency of the two is lessened, therefore upping your dose. You mentioned taking clomid after the nolva to stop the rebound effect, but clomid is almost identical to nolva and the effects it has so wouldn't that pose the same problem? Arimidex can't even be catorgorized with those because it is an estrogen blocker, nolva, clomid, and proviron block some receptor sites and inhibit others it serves a different purpose than those. Also, I don't get what you are saying about hcg being related to them either...hcg helps your nuts to start to produce luteinizing hormone again, wich is linked to the production of natural testosterone, hcg keeps your nuts from shrinking and going into testicular atrophy. Don't mean to sound rude, but either you needed to clarify and explain yourself a little better or you need to do some more research before you try giving out advice. Either way, I appreciate you trying to help.

Thanks allstud: I am glad that I didn't have to say that. BUT I STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND WHO HE WAS TALKING TOO, OR WHAT HE WAS TRYING TO SAY. I AM SURE DEEP DOWN INSIDE HE WASN'T TRYING TO BE RUDE :rolleyes: "WHO KNOWS" MAYBE HE WILL STILL RESPOND TO US...


-MICK

[allstud]

Mick, I think that he was talking about when I was trying to find a way to use up my extra nolva. Remember when I was mentioning running that with the a-dex throughout my cycle. Hey, I wanted to ask you about masteron. I was reading in another thread where you mentioned it being one of your favorites for cutting. When I was on S.E. and was putting together my cycle with willis I was thinking about the masteron for my cycle. I never really read a whole lot about that many people taking it or saw a lot of feedback on it. Does it really burn fat and stack muscle at the same time? I've been fucking up the cycle that I'm doing now pretty good. My diet is off and on, haven't been working out as much as I want to, didn't start hitting it hard until 2 weeks ago. I wanted to ask, this is my first cutting cycle and so far I really haven't seen any results that I'm too impressed with, I lost 10 pounds but I didn't have a lot of extra body fat to begin with (low to average). I just started running my test prop @ 200mg EOD with 400mg EQ once a week, just started 50 mg of winny ED (yesterday). My test and EQ will run out in a month, and my winny will hold out for another 7 weeks. I know lots of guys stop getting gains after their first 3 or 4 weeks. I guess I'm worried about having wasted that first 3 or 4 weeks of gains and now being stuck at a plateau (sp?). If I get my shit together and get back on track with my diet, routine, etc., should expect to see significant gains still or what? So far I'm getting kind of discouraged, even though I was slippin up for a while I was still in the gym at least 4 times a week at a minimum...I was just working too much to keep every thing on track correctly, still am working too much. But yeah, what are your thoughts on the masteron. Oh about your comment, don't worry boss I got your back. Thanks....p.s. about what you said about proviron, I don't have any that's why I asked about the nolva. Why does prov help with lobido and not nolva...because of the steriodal trait that is carries? I'm running my test up until I run out of EQ so I'm not worried about it anyway, just curious.

[mickeymbbc]

Mick, I think that he was talking about when I was trying to find a way to use up my extra nolva. Remember when I was mentioning running that with the a-dex throughout my cycle. Hey, I wanted to ask you about masteron. I was reading in another thread where you mentioned it being one of your favorites for cutting. When I was on S.E. and was putting together my cycle with willis I was thinking about the masteron for my cycle. I never really read a whole lot about that many people taking it or saw a lot of feedback on it. Does it really burn fat and stack muscle at the same time=Well...if you are on a good diet, it will definately assist you pretty good in burning fat.? I've been fucking up the cycle that I'm doing now pretty good. My diet is off and on, haven't been working out as much as I want to, didn't start hitting it hard until 2 weeks ago. I wanted to ask, this is my first cutting cycle and so far I really haven't seen any results that I'm too impressed with, I lost 10 pounds but I didn't have a lot of extra body fat to begin with (low to average). I just started running my test prop @ 200mg EOD with 400mg EQ once a week, just started 50 mg of winny ED (yesterday). My test and EQ will run out in a month, and my winny will hold out for another 7 weeks. I know lots of guys stop getting gains after their first 3 or 4 weeks= that is not true brutha, your gains may slow down from time to time, but they will not quit. I guess I'm worried about having wasted that first 3 or 4 weeks of gains and now being stuck at a plateau (sp?). If I get my shit together and get back on track with my diet, routine, etc., should expect to see significant gains still or what=You have plenty of time to get your shit together, dont worry so much bro(that doesn't mean to screw up anymore)? So far I'm getting kind of discouraged, even though I was slippin up for a while I was still in the gym at least 4 times a week at a minimum...I was just working too much to keep every thing on track correctly, still am working too much. But yeah, what are your thoughts on the masteron. Oh about your comment, don't worry boss I got your back. Thanks....p.s. about what you said about proviron, I don't have any that's why I asked about the nolva. Why does prov help with lobido and not nolva= one of the reasons is because proviron increases your sperm count and nova doesnt...because of the steriodal trait that is carries? I'm running my test up until I run out of EQ so I'm not worried about it anyway, just curious.

You are worrying to much brutha(you remind me of myself) You are not the only one that messes up there diet and workout brutha, I bet that 75% of people on gear screw their shit up but are afraid to admit it(you are the only that is man enough)

Now about Masterone,
All I have to say is that its one of my favorite. You can use it to cut, bulk, burn, strength,ect... YOU CAN INCORPERATE IT IN ANY PART OF YOUR CYCLE AT ANY TIME. It would be a great addition to get your cycle going again. MORE AND MORE PRO'S ARE TAKING MASTERONE ANYMORE. It sells itself, not much needs to be said. If you need any help getting your shit back together, then give me a PM Brutha,



-mick