Marines,face charges in Iraqi civilian deaths

[Mr_Bishop]

At Camp Pendleton, California, where the eight accused service members have been held in a military prison since late May, officials announced that a news conference would be held later Wednesday concerning the alleged killing of the Iraqi in the village of Hamdaniya. The announcement did not mention murder or other charges.

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/21/iraq.shooting.ap/index.html

[JMP8888]

That is friggin ridiculous!!!

[opusx]

they deserve the medal of honor

[Mr_Bishop]

What they deserve is jail.....the disgrace all those who do they job right! If they are innocent then let the law decide.

[JMP8888]

What they deserve is jail.....the disgrace all those who do they job right! If they are innocent then let the law decide.
Are you kidding?!! Let them kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out!
These marines keep getting ambushed by jerkoffs who hide amongst the civilians...start doing stuff like this and lets see how fast they get pointed out after awhile. Personally, I think the best idea is to make the middle east one big parking lot.

[Tyrone]

It is the price of war. Blame the faggot terrorists. Do you guys think the hijackers used juice at all. I heard they did work out whil living over here. Cause I would woop me some terrorist ass. I'd just rip heads off. They used to call me HEAD HUNTER! :mad:

[Mr_Bishop]

Are you kidding?!! Let them kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out!
These marines keep getting ambushed by jerkoffs who hide amongst the civilians...start doing stuff like this and lets see how fast they get pointed out after awhile. Personally, I think the best idea is to make the middle east one big parking lot.
Look when you run into a house and kill kids for no reason, you crossed the line. I don't care what religious belief you have and most of these people are just like anyone else. I'm sure if the situation was reveresed and these were relatives of yours, you would have a different opinion. Just remember who put those marines there in the first place! You daddy BUSH!!!

[JMP8888]

Look when you run into a house and kill kids for no reason, you crossed the line. I don't care what religious belief you have and most of these people are just like anyone else. I'm sure if the situation was reveresed and these were relatives of yours, you would have a different opinion. Just remember who put those marines there in the first place! You daddy BUSH!!!
I have family and friends over there, and I hope they do what it takes to come home alive. If that means shoot first and ask questions later, so be it. It is not a conventional war by any means. who's to say a child isn't capable of killing a soldier? Ask anyone who served in Vietnam and saw kids running around with AK47's.
Nobody knows the exact circumstances, and personally, I feel the media shouldn't be involved at all. War isn't meant to be civil, it's about attaining results.

[tatteredxangelx]

we shouldnt be there in the first place ... let the animals be animals and the civilized be civilized ... we shouldnt be using tons of $ to kill people who kill thesmelves and do not want to change. on the other hand, we should be using it to help mexico, a country with economic problems that WANTS to change. Helping Mexico would also stop this immigration debate as well.

and dont give me the middle east is a terrible threat bullshit, because a few nutjobs from iowa could have hijacked a plane and flown it into a building just as easily. The problem was airport security.

[Mr_Bishop]

I have family and friends over there, and I hope they do what it takes to come home alive. If that means shoot first and ask questions later, so be it. It is not a conventional war by any means. who's to say a child isn't capable of killing a soldier? Ask anyone who served in Vietnam and saw kids running around with AK47's.
Nobody knows the exact circumstances, and personally, I feel the media shouldn't be involved at all. War isn't meant to be civil, it's about attaining results.
NO this is not the same, those people were murdered. No guns or anyting in the house. I feel were your coming from but to be honest nobody made your family sign on the dotted line to join the military. Those that do sign know what they are getting into when they join and it doesn't mean you can do war crimes. I'm sorry but killing a whole family because someone ran through a persons house is crazy. I hope they get fried for doing that shit I don't give a f*ck!

[tatteredxangelx]

mrbishop,

if the iraqi's were in the US, and saw an innocent family, what do you think they would do?

I agree with JMP, that the soliders have to do whatever they have to do to get out ... killing an infant is unacceptable, killing a dog is unacceptable ... killing a 6 yr old Iraqi is completely acceptable b/c he probably was instructed to kill you whether he tries to or not.

[Tyrone]

we shouldnt be there in the first place ... let the animals be animals and the civilized be civilized ... we shouldnt be using tons of $ to kill people who kill thesmelves and do not want to change. on the other hand, we should be using it to help mexico, a country with economic problems that WANTS to change. Helping Mexico would also stop this immigration debate as well.

and dont give me the middle east is a terrible threat bullshit, because a few nutjobs from iowa could have hijacked a plane and flown it into a building just as easily. The problem was airport security.
These peopl have barely evolved since the B.C. WTF. " I believe so strongly that I am blinded to the truth." Fuck that shit. Sorry to the ones I may have offended. I am still feeling the effects of Test. :D

[Mr_Bishop]

mrbishop,

if the iraqi's were in the US, and saw an innocent family, what do you think they would do?

I agree with JMP, that the soliders have to do whatever they have to do to get out ... killing an infant is unacceptable, killing a dog is unacceptable ... killing a 6 yr old Iraqi is completely acceptable b/c he probably was instructed to kill you whether he tries to or not.
Killing a 6 year unarmed child is acceptable? They slaughter a whole family women, men and children who did nothing but sit in the house while the walk though shooting people. It doesn't matter what I say anyways they will get there day in court and will fry if found guilty.

[Mr_Bishop]

we shouldnt be there in the first place ... let the animals be animals and the civilized be civilized ... we shouldnt be using tons of $ to kill people who kill thesmelves and do not want to change. on the other hand, we should be using it to help mexico, a country with economic problems that WANTS to change. Helping Mexico would also stop this immigration debate as well.

and dont give me the middle east is a terrible threat bullshit, because a few nutjobs from iowa could have hijacked a plane and flown it into a building just as easily. The problem was airport security.
Cant really help mexico with that psycho President Fox in office

[CountVascular]

JMP, you said "war isnt civil, it is about attaining results"

It begs the question "results for whom?"

I come from Africa, we had genocide. Millions upon millions were slaughtered. Nobody did a thing. NOT a fucking thing. They acknowledged in the UN that there was a problem, but stopped short of using the word "genocide" as according to the Charter, would compel action. Solets be real, war is about money, control and aquiring more power. NOTHING else.

Why do people join and army? Really..why? Ok you may say "to defend ourselves"..but you rarely have to leave your own shores to do that....

People join the army to kill other people in essence, to be the steel fist of polictics. To enforce a countries will on another!

America has had the good fortune of having little exposure to attrocity on its own shores.

AND I assure you Tatx, if you, your family or anybody else was threatened on your own soil, irrespective of your age, or anything else, you would defend yourself...Even your constitution gives you that right, allowing to bear arms.....

But this is not a political debate, its just another sad day in the life a hurt human race, irrespective of nationality, creed or colour....

Rant over... :eek:

[1scuba]

Better To Be Judged By Twelve Than Be Carried By Six !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JMP8888]

mrbishop,

if the iraqi's were in the US, and saw an innocent family, what do you think they would do?

I agree with JMP, that the soliders have to do whatever they have to do to get out ... killing an infant is unacceptable, killing a dog is unacceptable ... killing a 6 yr old Iraqi is completely acceptable b/c he probably was instructed to kill you whether he tries to or not.
Dude I had to make a sick joke on this. Your post sounds like a mastercard commercial...
Killing an infant...Unacceptable
Killing a dog...Unacceptable
Killing a 6 yr old Iraqi instructed to kill you...PRICELESS

[Tyrone]

Dude I had to make a sick joke on this. Your post sounds like a mastercard commercial...
Killing an infant...Unacceptable
Killing a dog...Unacceptable
Killing a 6 yr old Iraqi instructed to kill you...PRICELESS
Sic but true. Things that happen in the world everyday are sad and these ones stand out but I will kill before being be killed. Sorry for the wrong I do. :(

[jeter2020]

I think it is Fu**in ridiculous. They said that if they get convicted they will face the death penalty. Our soldiers are over there getting tortured and beheaded and getting their dicks cut off and put in their mouths by these stupid Fu**ers and when we do one thing we get the death penalty. That is horse shit. Maybe they did something wrong and maybe they didnt but they do not deserve the death penalty. With what they are doing to our troops I couldn't care less.

[Mr_Bishop]

I think it is Fu**in ridiculous. They said that if they get convicted they will face the death penalty. Our soldiers are over there getting tortured and beheaded and getting their dicks cut off and put in their mouths by these stupid Fu**ers and when we do one thing we get the death penalty. That is horse shit. Maybe they did something wrong and maybe they didnt but they do not deserve the death penalty. With what they are doing to our troops I couldn't care less.

come on man, they killed civilians not the enemy! Just because they look the same it doesn't mean they all have the same philosophy. Just like people around the world think all american's are self centered and don't care about anything. This is cause by the government and there foreign policies, while we the people don't know what is going on so we all look bad. Every situation is different and you can't lump everyone together. Do you actually believe that those people like the insurgents coming in there country blowing up innocent people? I highly doubt it and they have the same views as we do. You only see what the media shows you, because they need people to watch so they are going to go with what will make people tune in.

[CountVascular]

"When you do one thing"???????????????????

Come now, perhaps stop seeing yourself as doing the right thing. You are occupying the soverign territory of another Nation, which you took by force!!
Dont kid yourself into believing that what you are doing is some crusade on behalf of the morally just.

The motives for this war, the removal of a dicator have been accomplished.

AND please, The American government holds prisoners, without trial, subject to torture with NO explanation, as it sees itself above the bounds of democracy. Guantanemo(sp?) is a travesty. If you have evidence, convict and be done with it. NOBODY who conducts themselves in this manner, whether they be western, or eastern is exempt.

MORE RANT

AND to clarify my position. I have nothing against a person if they live in America or Afghanistan..just be a good guy. If these lads have done wrong, so be it. Let the SYSTEM of Democracy you are trying to instill by force do its work. You cannot say "YOU MUST LIVE BY OUR RULES, and then get out of them yourselves" NO FUCKING WAY.

Enough RANT :D

[bmoore]

i just home from Iraq not too long back, i did 1 year and 3 months over there, ive seen some fucked up shit, and i have to say a couple of things here.

1- How do we not know that guy was not armed, everyone over there has an AK-47, or an MAKAROV PISTOL.

2- Marines do not go around shooting people without orders, they are like robots, they follow each and every order exactly as it is put out. a dead insurgent does not give up intell.

3- home searches is not a un-common thing in Iraq, we do them all of the time, and usually there are weapons found.

3- its fucked up over there, we really do not know who the bad and good guys are, until they try to kill us.

4- I remember a couple of dead insurgents we found after a shootout, they took alot of rounds, and when we searched the bodies, they had syringes, and andrenaline on them, they shoot up with it before a battle. and by the way these bastards had ak-47s on them.

5- They do not treat our wounded or captured soldiers the same way we treat thiers, look what they recently did to those 2 GI's they kidnapped, we try to be humane and all they do is cutoff the heads of defenseless captured soldiers.

6- And by the way, when they are caught out of a uniform, they are detainees, and spies, not P.O.W.s, the geneva convention says only soldiers in thier uniforms of thier country are to be treated as P.O.W.s, and we can legally shoot a spy, spies/insurgents do not get the same treatment as uniformed soldiers of war do. That is why we are legally able to hold the DETAINEES( spies ) as long as we have done so far....

7- And if those soldiers did kill that Iraqi in cold blood, then they should go to jail for doing so, but i seriously doubt that they did. They had a Naval Medic with them, all of the Medics i know, take life very seriously, and would not have let that happen.....

[jeter2020]

How do I know you are a Democrat? I understand that these people are different than the people killing our troops, but people kill civilians everyday and dont get charged with the death penalty. These soldiers are serving us and protecting us from the enemy and whether they killed him for a good reason or not they are still over there serving us and they do not deserve the death penalty. That was my only point.

[jeter2020]

What I wrote was written towards Bishop sorry.

[bmoore]

i feel the same JETER, and by the way, iam a REPUBLICAN..

they do not put the same value on life, as we do...

its like when they thought we would not return fire into a mosque when they would shoot at us, hahaha, was that a mistake on thier part, when they use a mosque as a firinf position, its no longer considered a church...

we even had a 10 year old kid walk up to a soldier and ask for candie, and then he pulled out a handgun, and tried to shoot the same soldiers he was talking to...



heres a good joke for you,

why do the Iraqis wear robes ??

because Camels can hear zippers...

[CountVascular]

Enough Now...lets not talk of the sad tales of kids and guns...it happens in your schools...what for? it is fucking madness.....

[Mr_Bishop]

7- And if those soldiers did kill that Iraqi in cold blood, then they should go to jail for doing so, but i seriously doubt that they did. They had a Naval Medic with them, all of the Medics i know, take life very seriously, and would not have let that happen.....

I would say you are fighting the insurgents and not the iraqi's so that's why you our soldiers don't get treated the same. It's a whole different war from when it began. Because as you know we did recover soldier's when they were captured actually by iraqi troops.

Never say never because this type of things have happened before and is well documented. Yeah try to stop someone who is in your unit who just went ape shit and is carrying an automatic riffle. What are you going to do shoot your own soldiers, without being shot by someone else? Not to mention then try to get out of a city by yourself where you are hated and explaining this to your superiors!

[Mr_Bishop]

How do I know you are a Democrat? I understand that these people are different than the people killing our troops, but people kill civilians everyday and dont get charged with the death penalty. These soldiers are serving us and protecting us from the enemy and whether they killed him for a good reason or not they are still over there serving us and they do not deserve the death penalty. That was my only point.
I'm sick of hearing this crap! This is more brainwash BS and the more we act barbaric the more the world will turn against us. Bush wants to run around and stop every nation from doing this or doing that. What the hell are we doing? We need to bring others to the table and stop trying to bully everyone. Bullies will soon get what's coming to them.

[bmoore]

agreed, it has happened before, and if they did do it, then they should go to jail for it, please keep in mind , things over there are totally diffenrent then normal life is here, i still freak out a little when iam driving down the roads and i see something on the side of the road, plus not to mention i dont sleep very much, i still have my demons iam dealing with.

there was quite a few times that i thought i was not going to make it home alive, its a totally diffenrent state of mind you have to be in over there. i still have not totally adjusted completely yet, thats why i hit the gym alot, its my way of dealing with, i guess....

[Mr_Bishop]

agreed, it has happened before, and if they did do it, then they should go to jail for it, please keep in mind , things over there are totally diffenrent then normal life is here, i still freak out a little when iam driving down the roads and i see something on the side of the road, plus not to mention i dont sleep very much, i still have my demons iam dealing with.

there was quite a few times that i thought i was not going to make it home alive, its a totally diffenrent state of mind you have to be in over there. i still have not totally adjusted completely yet, thats why i hit the gym alot, its my way of dealing with, i guess....
I know people must come back and be fucked up for life because of the things they saw. Most people when they return don't take any help when the come back because it shows weakness to the others. Maybe they should make it mandatory for everyone and then it won't be such a stigma. The military knows why they don't want to do this because it will cost them more money. Its all about the mighty buck and they don't have a fuck about the soldiers.

Just like I remember seeing something on tv about how they wouldn't pay for the soldiers who came back and were disabled and needed therapy or a prosthetic leg. The military is always fucking over their own and then want them to die for their country because its patriotic.

[Tyrone]

I know people must come back and be fucked up for life because of the things they saw. Most people when they return don't take any help when the come back because it shows weakness to the others. Maybe they should make it mandatory for everyone and then it won't be such a stigma. The military knows why they don't want to do this because it will cost them more money. Its all about the mighty buck and they don't have a fuck about the soldiers.

Just like I remember seeing something on tv about how they wouldn't pay for the soldiers who came back and were disabled and needed therapy or a prosthetic leg. The military is always fucking over their own and then want them to die for their country because its patriotic.
I didn't read this post or the last few sorry. I am just pissed! :mad: You can get into whatever political debate you want with me but you still have to blame the terrorists of 911! :mad: Fuck that shit and I type this with a fury. Test or no test this is how I feel. It is bullshit! I have many peeps I know over there. How the fuck do you know what happened exactly documented or not. It is you or them. Too fucking bad. WTF ya gonna do? Like I said before, "This is the price of war." Say it is Bush's falt all you want but you might do the same thing in these guys' situation.

[bmoore]

exactly, everyone seems to forget that there has not been a single terrorist attack since we have went to war, its going to take another attack where alot of people die on American soil again, before these crying pussy liberals will shut the hell up, do they want the war to come to America, have the battles in the streets here in the states, before you realize that mabe the war in Iraq , and Afganistan has stopped more bloodshed here..

I see alot of punk ass kids protesting the war , and comparing it to Vietnam, and the ones i speak to all say the same thing, that they will not join the military, have not and refused to vote, but they want to protest, and wine and bitch about everything, i hear them say that they would rather go to canada , then join the military, i tell them, ill gladly pay right now a one way ticket there right now, of course they wont, and they say its thier RIGHT to say what they want, they never seem to think its because of veterans in our history that has fought and died to give them that right to act as they do....


IF YOU DONT LIKE THIS COUNTRY THEN GET THE HELL OUT, NOW !!!!!
I have have been in DESERT STORM, AND OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM 1 AND 3, I THINK IVE EARNED THE RIGHT TO SAY WHAT I WANT....


BRIAN

[CountVascular]

Mr Moore, an emotional response for sure.....

If you believe that your forefathers, and indeed yourself have afforded these individuals the right to freedom of expression through military sacrifice, why, when their point of view is contrary to yours, do you want them to leave?

Surely the joy of freedom is as much knowing that you live in a country where all can express, without fear or retribution? A previous post said terrorist attacks have ceased. Not so...

They bombed the UK.....

And lets be honest, terror is often worse when is affects the psyche...Sadly your country is on the defensive in a way it has never been before.

I grew up in a country, with bomb attacks in shopping malls, bag checks in and out of every place, enforced conscription....yes, it made me bitter to think I had to excercise the will of a countries political leaders without choice.

The only way to really really save the lives of your people over there is to bring them home....If you as a country wish to take the stance that the political view of America must be imposed on the world at large, then sadly, it is the innocent, not the politicians (as can be seen by the number of senators kids over there) that suffer, in the US and wherever you go abroad as an invading force.

END OF RANT :D

[trapsnc]

someone wrote that the U.S. has secret prisons where we torture terrorist, their terrorist not soldiers. If they have to torture to get some answers to save lives so be it, were not going around beheading captured insurgents, as the old saying goes war is hell. we need to pull all the news people out and go in and do our buisness and get it over with. when your in battle your trained to shoot to kill, not to wait and see if this guys got a gun, or this guys got a bomb straped to his ass that you cant see, who do you want coming home our soldiers or insurgent(terrorists).

[bmoore]

flyguyj1 wrote :

Surely the joy of freedom is as much knowing that you live in a country where all can express, without fear or retribution? A previous post said terrorist attacks have ceased. Not so...

They bombed the UK.....



----------------------------------------------------

HERE IS WHAT I HAVE TO SAY :

i believe i was saying that NOT a single terrorist attack has happened here in AMERICA, not the UK, not once did i mention any other country.

if you dont like the way AMERICA is being ran by the Goverment, then get the hell out or at least vote and make a change, why bitch about it, if you will not vote and try to change things that you do not like, IF YOU DONT VOTE, THEN YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN HOW THINGS ARE RAN.....


Brian

[jeter2020]

i feel the same JETER, and by the way, iam a REPUBLICAN.

:D Thats what I like to hear :D

[jeter2020]

someone wrote that the U.S. has secret prisons where we torture terrorist, their terrorist not soldiers. If they have to torture to get some answers to save lives so be it, were not going around beheading captured insurgents, as the old saying goes war is hell. we need to pull all the news people out and go in and do our buisness and get it over with. when your in battle your trained to shoot to kill, not to wait and see if this guys got a gun, or this guys got a bomb straped to his ass that you cant see, who do you want coming home our soldiers or insurgent(terrorists).

Hell Ya Trapsnc

[Tyrone]

Think I am ready to go to Iraq. No I'm just pissed! Keep me on test and I will go! :mad: :eek: