Sustanon 250?

[Abjo24]

If I were taking 750mg of sus/week. Is it best to spread the shots out through the week, like 2 or 3 shots instead of doing all 750mg at once? Thanks.

[Gregalmighty]

Definately! Sus 250 has both long and short esters that need to be taken advantage of with stable blood levels. Sus is best taken EOD or every couple days. I have taken sus every third day and that worked very well for me. Everybody is different though. Dont spike yourself with a 3ml shot once a week!

[sTaTic]

in my experience, I found that injections spread out through the week caused less side effects. Helped stop the acne and the oily skin, night sweats and so on.

[Abjo24]

Thanks for the advice guys. Greg, so you are saying to just stick with 2ml/week. I've done 2 cycles of sus in the past and that's what I did. 500/week, except I was injecting them all at once. It was before I found these forums. So 250mg every 2 or 3 days. Thanks.

[anaholic]

I know everyone will dissagree with me but I would do 3ml of test in one shot every 12-14 days, it is designed to have each ester peek every 3or4 days, if I were going to inject every 3 days i would use test propinate

[shivastool]

Anyone frontload using Sus? I was thinking of using it for this...

From Big Cat:

Speaking of front-loading, for this express purpose sustanon may be very suited. One could probably obtain results faster If one were to use 500 mg of sustanon on day 1, then again 5 days later on day 6 and start a cycle of enanthate/cypionate at 500 mg/week on day 11. That avoids the major crash at the end of the week and makes maximum use of the fast acting esters to saturate the system.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catsust.htm

[Beetlejuice]

Yes I front load sust 250 at 500 mg a week for 2 weeks with TBOL, then maintain the sust for the rest of the cycle.

[Bucket]

If I were taking 750mg of sus/week. Is it best to spread the shots out through the week, like 2 or 3 shots instead of doing all 750mg at once? Thanks.


Sust is BEST used ED for constant blood levels which means less sides like acne.

If you are only wanted to inject twice a week then go with a longer ester test like enth or cyp

[Beetlejuice]

I hear alot of guys say that but I have to tell you that is not how sust was designed to work. It if anything is the only test you can inject that guarrantees to keep realeasing at intervals into your system. I disagree about every day. That defeats the whole pourpose of a multiple ester blend. Sust is designed so you DONT have to inject as often. Everyone is concerned about a constant blood level for gear well a single ester once or twice a week is never gonna get you there. There will always be a peak and always be a trough. Now a multiple ester blend eliminates that because you basically have a different time of peak for each ester, and an equal amount released every 72-96 hours for almost 2 weeks from one injection. From a technical stand point if you are looking for blood level stability stay away from single esters unless you want to inject them every day. Sustanon is perfect at once or twice a week. That is just what my research shows.

[mickeymbbc]

Sust is BEST used ED for constant blood levels which means less sides like acne.

If you are only wanted to inject twice a week then go with a longer ester test like enth or cyp


Bump Bucket





-mick

[Beetlejuice]

Just one thing the key to avoiding side effects isn't keeping a steady level of testosterone in your blood, some people mistake articles regarding this as meaning keeping the gear level stable. The key is to avoid troughs in your gear levels. These dips cause 90 percent of your bad sides. Don't let anyone tell you to take a multiple ester blend every day. That is crazy. The first ester wouldnt even peak before you are injecting again. If you want to poke every day use a fast disapating ester of test. Believe me twice a week is plenty.

[Bucket]

Just one thing the key to avoiding side effects isn't keeping a steady level of testosterone in your blood, some people mistake articles regarding this as meaning keeping the gear level stable. The key is to avoid troughs in your gear levels. These dips cause 90 percent of your bad sides. Don't let anyone tell you to take a multiple ester blend every day. That is crazy. The first ester wouldnt even peak before you are injecting again. If you want to poke every day use a fast disapating ester of test. Believe me twice a week is plenty.


I'm not sure if I agree totally with you on this one bro. You are correct by saying that it's the dips in levels that give you sides, but if you want the most out of sust then taken everyday is the way to go or at least EOD, but by no means twice a week.

Here is how it looks like on paper using sust ED.

days.. amount taken.......the amount in the blood stream
1 ..............200mgs ................190mgs
2 ..............200 .......................351
3 ..............200 .......................487
4 ..............150 .......................555
5 ..............150 .......................612
6 ..............100 .......................613
7 ..............100 .......................614
Week 2
8 ..............100 .......................615
9 ..............100 .......................616
10.............100 .......................616
11.............100 .......................617
12.............100 .......................617
13.............100 .......................617
14.............100 .......................618
Week 3
15............100 .......................618
16............100 .......................618
17............100 .......................618
18............100 .......................618
19............100 .......................618
20............100 .......................619
21............100 .......................619
Week 4
22............100 .......................619
23............100 .......................619
24............100 .......................619
25............100 .......................619
26............100 .......................619
27............100 .......................619
28............100 .......................619
Week 5
29...,........100 .......................619
30............100 .......................619
31............100 .......................619
32............100 .......................619
33............100 .......................619
34............100 .......................619
35............100 .......................619
Week 6
36............100 .......................619
37............100 .......................619
38............100 .......................619
39............100 .......................619
40............100 .......................619
41............100 .......................619
42............100 .......................619
Week 7
43............100 .......................619
44............100 .......................619
45............100 .......................619
46............100 .......................619
47............100 .......................619
48............100 .......................619
49............100 .......................619
Week 8
50............100 .......................619
51............100 .......................619
52............100 .......................619
53............100 .......................619
54............100 .......................619
55............100 .......................619
56............100 .......................619


And here it is using sust EOD. You can clearly see major dips in blood levels. Now consider what it would look like only using sust 2 times per week. I think you get my point.

1 ...250 .......................238
2 ...0 ..........................201
3 ...250 .......................409
4 ...0 ..........................346
5 ...250 .......................532
6 ...0 ..........................451
7 ...0 ..........................384
Week 2
8 ...250 .......................566
9 ...0 ..........................480
10...250 .......................646
11...0 ..........................547
12...250 .......................703
13...0 ..........................595
14...0 ..........................507
Week 3
15...250 .......................672
16...0 ..........................569
17...250 .......................722
18...0 ..........................611
19...250 .......................758
20...0 ..........................642
21...0 ..........................547
Week 4
22...250 .......................706
23...0 ..........................598
24...250 .......................747
25...0 ..........................632
26...250 .......................776
27...0 ..........................657
28...0 ..........................560
Week 5
29...250 .......................717
30...0 ..........................607
31...250 .......................755
32...0 ..........................639
33...250 .......................782
34...0 ..........................662
35...0 ..........................564
Week 6
36...250 .......................721
37...0 ..........................610
38...250 .......................757
39...0 ..........................641
40...250 .......................784
41...0 ..........................663
42...0 ..........................656
Week 7
43...250 .......................722
44...0 ..........................611
45...250 .......................758
46...0 ..........................642
47...250 .......................784
48...0 ..........................664
49...250 .......................566
Week 8
50...250 .......................722
51...0 ..........................611
52...250 .......................758
53...0 ..........................642
54...250 .......................784
55...0 ..........................664
56...0...........................566


Here is also a chart that for those that need a visual. BTW all this came from Basskiller.

[Beetlejuice]

I see what you are saying Bucket, however those tiny dips and peaks are not important. What is important is that those numbers show a steady buildup of test in the subjects systems even at 3 a week. As long as the testosterone levels do not trough to a level to shallow to counteract the estrogen or cortisol you are fine. Your body doesn't even produce testosterone at a perfectly steady level. It will vary between 4 - 7 mg of testerone a day under normal circumstances. Sustanon is relatively side effect free at low dosages, it is at extremely high levels of sustanon (such as everyday injections) that cause most side effects, because of the deep trough that comes at the end of the cycle. Every day injections defeat the whole pourpose of multi ester steroids and that is a fact. If you want to inject every day use a quickly dissapating ester. I guess we see this differently, and that is fine. I do understand why you feel the way you do after seeing your charts.


Sustanon 250
Description
Courtesy Anabolics.com

Sustanon 250 is an oil-based injectable containing four different testosterone compounds: testosterone propionate, 30 mg; testosterone phenylpropionate, 60 mg; testosterone isocaproate, 60mg; and testosterone decanoate, 100 mg. The mixture of the testosterones are time-released to provide an immediate effect while still remaining active in the body for up to a month. As with other testosterones, Sustanon is an androgenic steroid with a pronounced anabolic effect. Therefore, athletes commonly use Sustanon to put on mass and size while increasing strength. However, unlike other testosterone compounds such as cypionate and enanthate, the use of Sustanon leads to less water retention and estrogenic side effects. This characteristic is extremely beneficial to bodybuilders who suffer from gynecomastia yet still seek the powerful anabolic effect of an injectable testosterone. The decreased water retention also makes Sustanon a desirable steroid for bodybuilders and athletes interested in cutting up or building a solid foundation of quality mass. Dosages of Sustanon range from 250 mg every other week, up to 2000 mg or more per week. These dosages seem to be the extremes. A more common dosage would range from 250 mg to 1000 mg per week. Although Sustanon remains active for up to a month, injections should be taken at least once a week to keep testosterone levels stable.

A steroid novice can expect to gain about 20 pounds within a couple of months by using only 250 mg of Sustanon a week. More advanced athletes will obviously need higher dosages to obtain the desired effect. Sustanon is a fairly safe steroid, but in high dosages, some athletes may experience side effects due to an elevated estrogen level. With dosages exceeding 1000 mg a week, it is probably wise to use an antiestrogen such as Nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate) or Proviron (mesterolone). The use of Sustanon will suppress natural testosterone production, so the use of HCG (human chorionic gonadotropin) or Clomid (clomiphene citrate) may be appropriate at the end of a cycle. Sustanon 250 is a good base steroid to use in a stack. Athletes interested in rapid size and strength gains find that Sustanon stacks extremely well with orals such as Anadrol® (oxymetholone) and Dianabol (methandrostenlone). On the other hand, Sustanon also stacks well with Parabolan (trenbolone hexahydrobencylcarbonate), Masteron (drostanolone propionate), and Winstrol (stanozolol) for athletes seeking the hard, ripped look. Sustanon 250 is quite abundant on the US black market.

[anaholic]

Ive got 7 sostenon preloads ive had a couple of years, i need to use them, since i switch every drugs every 3 weeks itll work out perfect, Ill do a cc every 3 days, I was just liking the idea of doing 1 shot every 7-10 days,maybe iam scared of needles and never new it,

[Beetlejuice]

There is nothing wrong with not liking the needle, I aspirated this morning on a sust 250 injection and got blood.. :P. I don't like it much its just that I need my Liver.

[anaholic]

well iam on day 10 of front loading ive done 1cc every 3 days so far ive done 3cc total iam barley starting to feel it, before i would have done 3cc on day 1 and another 3cc on day 11, before it would have been fully kicked in on day 14, iam thinking this is going to slow

[Boman]

There is no way I would do sus ED. I would do one on sunday and one on wed. as I work out on monday, tuesday, thursday, and Friday. The shot the night before my workout and then mid week works great. This way you will have the desired affect without using that much test. This is what it was made for, as a time release. I say for ED or EOD injections you need to use a faster acting ester. Depending on what cycle you are on, 500mg a week in pleany for your first 1-3 cycles. I personally like my hair line and dont want bitch tits! :eek:

[Beetlejuice]

There is no way I would do sus ED. I would do one on sunday and one on wed. as I work out on monday, tuesday, thursday, and Friday. The shot the night before my workout and then mid week works great. This way you will have the desired affect without using that much test. This is what it was made for, as a time release. I say for ED or EOD injections you need to use a faster acting ester. Depending on what cycle you are on, 500mg a week in pleany for your first 1-3 cycles. I personally like my hair line and dont want bitch tits! :eek:

bump boman! That is the way I do my sust wendsday and sunday, and stack with an oral, and other injectables. I am doing that right now and I am gaining like crazy!

[Beetlejuice]

well iam on day 10 of front loading ive done 1cc every 3 days so far ive done 3cc total iam barley starting to feel it, before i would have done 3cc on day 1 and another 3cc on day 11, before it would have been fully kicked in on day 14, iam thinking this is going to slow

Sustanon can take up to 5 weeks before it REALLY starts kicking thats why I like it in 8 week cycles at least!

[anaholic]

well i had to try this front loading thing , and like i said it takes to long , normaly i start of with a 3cc shot and its fully kicked in by 14 days, plus i switch every 3 weeks, i just got of a 3 week run of 400mg EQ per week and it was fully kicked in at 14 days too,

[Beetlejuice]

Do you feel it helped at all Anaholic? You know the heavy frontloading thing. I was just curious.

[anaholic]

no i dont like it, i wont do it again

[Gregalmighty]

Do you mean you triple the dose for frontloading? Curious to know some details cuz im thinking of frontloading sus for the spring cycle and never frontoaded before. Did you get test flu from 3cc all at once?

[anaholic]

i thought front loading was doing 1cc every 3 to 5 days, thats what ive been doing, ive done 3cc total over the last 10 days, i would have rather done the 3ccs on day 1, what is test flu?

[Boman]

Sustanon can take up to 5 weeks before it REALLY starts kicking thats why I like it in 8 week cycles at least!

Agreed!
I stack with dbol or drol for the first 4 weeks is a great jump start. I firmly believe in a max cycle time of 12 weeks no matter how advanced. On top of that you have to do proper post cycle with nolv and clomid. The best thing to remember after cycle is to keep working out. You can loose almost everything you have gained if not done. Workout like it you are still on cycle! It will be hard to keep motivation knowing you are not juiced. Focus is the up most importance.

[mickeymbbc]

i thought front loading was doing 1cc every 3 to 5 days, thats what ive been doing, ive done 3cc total over the last 10 days, i would have rather done the 3ccs on day 1, what is test flu?


Thats not front loading brutha :D



-mick

[anaholic]

whats frontloading? ive just reread the post and the way iam understanding it , taking 1cc every 3-5 days is front loading,

[mickeymbbc]

Front loading in basic terms is taking test or something else that you like, and running it really high for the first week to get it into your bloodstream much quicker. Not that I really have seen any scientic proof that its works. I did it this last cycle and I think that it worked pretty decent, but nothing to brag about.

I did Test cyp 1500mg the first week, then dropped down to 600mg the remaining weeks of the cycle.


-mick

[Beetlejuice]

Agreed!
I stack with dbol or drol for the first 4 weeks is a great jump start. I firmly believe in a max cycle time of 12 weeks no matter how advanced. On top of that you have to do proper post cycle with nolv and clomid. The best thing to remember after cycle is to keep working out. You can loose almost everything you have gained if not done. Workout like it you are still on cycle! It will be hard to keep motivation knowing you are not juiced. Focus is the up most importance.

I am stacking 500 mg of organon sust a week x8 weeks, with 50 mg a day of oral TBOL x 5 weeks, 50 mg winstrol eod x 6 weeks. The Tbol will end in 2 weeks and the winny just started this week (week 3 beginning). I will phase in Tren(300 mg a week x 5 weeks)and decca last 5 weeks(500 mg decca a week x5 weeks) the last 5 weeks. The top of this stack has given me 17 lbs of muscle in 3 weeks. I am now at 252 lbs. I am using the sust in 2 injections a week at 100 ml each. I am eating 250 - 300 mg of protein a day. I have experienced very little water gain. I love sust!