My Hospital Visit

[hardgainer9000]

Well this cycle certainly has made me reconsider AAS for the future. This being my 3rd cycle and the harshest on my body. Well here is the protocol I'm using:

Andropen 550mg/week
QV Deca 400mg/week
Proviron 25mg/day

For the first 4 weeks I've been shooting 1 cc shots of 1/2 Andropen/ 1/2 QV Deca. This week I started yesterday shooting 1 cc Andropen Tu, 1 cc Deca Wed., 1 cc Andropen friday, 1 cc Deca saturday. Well after yesterday's 1 cc shot of Andropen, 30 minutes after the shot I got these side effects:

-Tightness in left pectoral muscle, and dull pain in left side of chest
-Closing of the throat feeling

So I read up on stuff and it might have been an anxiety attack, but it had to be coincidental with increasing the dosage of Andropen and these pains I had to go the hospital if I survived the night. All this took place last night. At lunch break today, still feeling weird in the morning; I checked my blood pressure at wal-mart. Well, last Friday it registered 148/78 this time was a different story. 171/78, yeah something was going on in my body. Checked into emergency at local hospital and first got EKG done, results were fine. Doctor listened to my heart, no murmurs, no palpitations, nothing. Blood tests were run, my kidneys have good creatinine levels, liver levels good, BUN level was 23 bit high. I really think my dosages are too high for my body, how can I slowly wean off this stuff to not shock my body and get a safe 12 weeks in? I can't go cold turkey 5 weeks in now, damage my system even more. No hypertrophy of the heart or valve problems, no treatment for high bp either. Give me some thoughts.

[MoCo]

Did you aspirate, and are you sure you didn't hit or inject into a vein?

Also, why did you choose to up the dosage? Try going back to what you were doing originally.

[hardgainer9000]

Absolutely know I didn't inject into a vein, definitely aspirated until an air bubble got back in the syringe. Might have nicked one though from blood coming out after removing the needle. No it was just that I was doing a 1/2 cc of sust and 1/2 cc of Deca each time, maybe I should just go back to that. This time I went with 1 cc of sust and probably a bad mistake as my levels might have gotten f'd up.

[mrprop1985]

sounds likes an anxiety attack.
1ml of sust doesnt deserve a visit to the ER lol

[crfpilot14]

If you inject near a vein that you have punctured, you can get those symptoms...especially if you injected 2cc in the same area. Some of the oil diffused into the vein and acts as a pulmonary embolus.

[peptidoglycan]

ya ive had this twice so far but nothing extreme like tighness in chest and throat closing.. just coughing after inject.

[Hoffmeister]

Being someone who has suffered panic attacks, this sounds a bit like one to me, but it could be any number of other things. Steroids, and particularly those that are high in androgens are known to potentially give panic attacks. I experienced it on a combo of sust, deca and dbol.

Now I am not an expert on steroids, but maybe dropping the proviron would help as I think its highly androgenic.

The fact that the doc couldnt find anything wrong with you makes it sound like a PA

[fr8lnr01]

A. Those automated machines at walmart are not always right.
B. Did you ever get rid of any of the excess blood you have been carrying around?
C. What is the deal with the 93 mm hg pressure difference in you systolic and diastolic reading?
D. What are your stats?

[superbeast22]

A. Those automated machines at walmart are not always right.
B. Did you ever get rid of any of the excess blood you have been carrying around?
C. What is the deal with the 93 mm hg pressure difference in you systolic and diastolic reading?
D. What are your stats?

i was always told to donate blood while on the juice...

[fr8lnr01]

nandrolone decanoate
General

Pronunciation
NAN-dro-lone dek-a-NOE-ate

Trade Name(s)

• Deca-Durabolin

• Hybolin Decanoate

• Kabolin

Controlled Substance Schedule
III

Pregnancy Category
Category X

Ther. class.
antianemics
hormones

Pharm. class.
anabolic steroids



Indications

Treatment of anemia associated with renal insufficiency

Action

Stimulates erythropoietin production and may have a direct stimulant action on bone marrow

Therapeutic Effect(s):
Increased hemoglobin and RBC volume

Pharmacokinetics

Absorption: Well absorbed following IM administration

Distribution: Unknown

Metabolism and Excretion: Unknown

Half-life: Unknown

TIME/ACTION PROFILE (blood levels)


ROUTE ONSET PEAK DURATION
IM unknown 3–6 days unknown


Contraindication/Precautions

Contraindicated in:

• Hypersensitivity

• Pregnancy or lactation

• Some products contain sesame oil and should be avoided in patients with known hypersensitivity

• Advanced breast cancer with associated hypercalcemia

• Breast cancer in males

• Severe hepatic impairment

• Hypercalcemia

• Nephrosis or nephrotic phase of nephritis

• Prostate cancer

Use Cautiously in:
• Cardiac or hepatic impairment

• Coronary artery disease or history of MI

• Diabetes mellitus

• Benign prostatic hyperplasia

• Children

• Geriatric patients


Adverse Reactions/Side Effects

CNS: insomnia.

CV: edema.

GI: abdominal fullness, diarrhea, hepatic dysfunction.

GU: changes in libido, erectile dysfunction, prostatic hyperplasia.

Derm: acne.

Endo: virilism in women and prepubertal men.

F and E: hypercalcemia.

MS: muscle cramps.

Misc: chills.

*CAPITALS indicates life-threatening.
*italic indicates most frequent.


Interactions

Drug-Drug

• Increased risk of hepatotoxicity with other hepatotoxic agents

• Increased risk of bleeding with warfarin , NSAIDs ,and salicylates


Route/Dosage


• IM (Adults and Children B14 yr):
Women—50–100 mg q wk;
men—100–200 mg q wk.

• IM (Children 2–13 yr): 25–50 mg q 3–4 wk.


Availability


• Injection: 100 mg/ml in 2 ml vial, 200 mg/ml in 1 ml vial


Assessment


• Monitor response for symptoms of anemia (fatigue, dyspnea, pallor)

Lab Test Considerations
• Monitor CBC periodically throughout therapy


Potential Nursing Diagnoses


• Activity intolerance (Indications)


Implementation

IM: Inject deeply into gluteal muscle

Patient/Family Teaching


• Explain the purpose of the medication to patient

• Instruct patient to report signs of edema or excessive virilism to health care professional

• Emphasize the importance of periodic lab tests to monitor progress and need for medication


Evaluation/Desired Outcomes

Increased hemoglobin and RBC volume

So your doctor diagnosis you with having polycythemia just a few weeks ago so you in turn get on nandrolone tio help exacerbate the problem.

[Alin]

Well this cycle certainly has made me reconsider AAS for the future. This being my 3rd cycle and the harshest on my body. Well here is the protocol I'm using:

Andropen 550mg/week
QV Deca 400mg/week
Proviron 25mg/day

For the first 4 weeks I've been shooting 1 cc shots of 1/2 Andropen/ 1/2 QV Deca. This week I started yesterday shooting 1 cc Andropen Tu, 1 cc Deca Wed., 1 cc Andropen friday, 1 cc Deca saturday. Well after yesterday's 1 cc shot of Andropen, 30 minutes after the shot I got these side effects:

-Tightness in left pectoral muscle, and dull pain in left side of chest
-Closing of the throat feeling

So I read up on stuff and it might have been an anxiety attack, but it had to be coincidental with increasing the dosage of Andropen and these pains I had to go the hospital if I survived the night. All this took place last night. At lunch break today, still feeling weird in the morning; I checked my blood pressure at wal-mart. Well, last Friday it registered 148/78 this time was a different story. 171/78, yeah something was going on in my body. Checked into emergency at local hospital and first got EKG done, results were fine. Doctor listened to my heart, no murmurs, no palpitations, nothing. Blood tests were run, my kidneys have good creatinine levels, liver levels good, BUN level was 23 bit high. I really think my dosages are too high for my body, how can I slowly wean off this stuff to not shock my body and get a safe 12 weeks in? I can't go cold turkey 5 weeks in now, damage my system even more. No hypertrophy of the heart or valve problems, no treatment for high bp either. Give me some thoughts.


Maybe you should come off for awhile or at least down to a TRT dosage.

[hardgainer9000]

I appreciate everyone's concern for my health and I've been doing a lot of research lately on my issues. Didn't seem like any of the ER nurses or doctors knew much about anabolic steroids, I mean one woman thought when I said "Deca" she thought I meant Decadron. Dumbasses. Well I have a good idea where my high blood pressure is coming from and that is in the conversion of testosterone to estrogen in the body retaining water. Even with higher blood pressure, you are more susceptible to panic attacks which I think I had and I am taking things slower here. Now some guys incorporate an AI in the mix while on juice and I think it would definitely help me in taking a low dose of Adex to help with the blood pressure and water retention. Proviron just isn't strong enough for what I need. Now I have two options here:

-Take a potassium-friendly diuretic which I am hesitant to start due to heart complications with AAS that I am aware of. (Diurex)

-or take a small dose of Adex (.25mg daily) to maximize muscle gains and keep the sides down to a minimum

What do you all think, want some feedback.

[fr8lnr01]

You must be the most thickheaded individual ever spoken to on this board. The steroids cause your body to make more blood.

[hardgainer9000]

Bro I respect your opinion and all but I know I have had problems with retaining water off AAS. It's a good reason why it is hard for me to keep gains off the stuff. Yes, increasing blood cell count would increase blood supply and make the heart work harder to pump blood through the arteries. However, the doctor would have noticed my hematocrit levels up the roof, or iron count. They were all in normal range. I did donate blood after my scare before this cycle. However, what contributes more to higher blood pressure is retaining water. Why do you think they give lasix or other diuretics to patients with high blood pressure, get the water off!! I know I'm no cardio specialist but this has been proven, now with my previous question. What nominal dosage of arimidex should I use?

[crfpilot14]

All competitive aromatase inhibitors will cause E2 rebound when you stop using them...this will lead to even more water retention post cycle...which is probably what you were seeing. Also, androgens themselves will increase your blood pressure via multiple mechanisms. Did you see the lab values or are you assuming that since your doc didnt mention them that they were okay? Most docs will not be concerned if your Hct is 60...they dont automatically associate that number with your issues...even if you tell them you are taking AAS. You are gonna be hard pressed to get someone to tell you what to take to manage your blood pressure on here. That is what your doctor is for...if you dont want to deal with the side effects of AAS, then dont take them. You are doing this to yourself. You should ask for an echocardiogram as I bet you have significant LVH with strain....enjoy your MI/CVA in 15-20yrs. ;)