Please critique my 2nd cycle

[viperblue]

750mg TestE weeks 1-10
500mg Deca weeks 1-10
600mg Eq weeks 1-10
100mg androl ED weeks 1-4

arimidex during cycle and clomid for pct

[jstforme]

numbers are high but ive seen higher. i hope your not doing this because your first cycle showed "no results" (not saying that it didnt) i have a friend who asked me if it was okay to start taking 100mg dianabol ED because 50 just wasnt showing results he wanted. remember no matter how much gear you take, the results lie in the food you eat. good luck

[hismadnessty]

750mg TestE weeks 1-10
500mg Deca weeks 1-10
600mg Eq weeks 1-10
100mg androl ED weeks 1-4

arimidex during cycle and clomid for pct

If this is just your second cycle I'd drop some of the quantities. I would only suggest 500mg/wk of Test E for a longer period of time (like 14 weeks) instead of 750mg/wk for 10 weeks. If this is only your second cycle, you should get some pretty good gains sticking with lower dosages. Save the 750mg/wk for when your receptors go to shit. Also, keeping in mind some advice Kaiser just gave me, don't think just into the immediate future of what you're going to get out of this one cycle. Think more long-term. You might be better off saving some of what you have and using it for your third cycle too. Furthermore, that's a crap-ton of adrol. I'd suggest doing less. Just out of curiosity though, what did your first cycle consist of?

[Beetlejuice]

I would drop the EQ to 400 mg per week, the test to 500 mg per week. You are trying to bulk at least that is what this cycle will do. You need to add some proviron to this cycle. Probably around 100 mg per day (it will make your test work better and reduce the sides from the stuff your planning on using). The Decca and test are gonna make a lot of estrogen and progesterone. Try to keep some femara or Nolvadex on hand incase of gyno (you should be okay though if you run Proviron for your whole cycle). I would suggest you also look at using oral Tbol or DBOL (for 6 weeks) instead of anadrol (for 4). The damage anadrol can cause just isnt worth it. That is just my opinion. For your second cycle you may not need so many injectables. Your test and Decca or maybe Test and EQ with a good oral should be plenty. I suggest eq and test with oral tbol. Have fun :)



750mg TestE weeks 1-10
500mg Deca weeks 1-10
600mg Eq weeks 1-10
100mg androl ED weeks 1-4

arimidex during cycle and clomid for pct

[viperblue]

The quantities aren't because I had poor gains with my first cycle I was basically using the quantities I've read that work best(or best results). My first cycle was:

400mg TestE weeks 1-10
250mg Deca weeks 1-10
20mg Dbol ED weeks 1-4


I stopped the dbol within a week because I didn't like the puffy look it was giving me, so I guess that was basically omitted from the cycle. Around week 5 I bumped the TestE up to 600mg.

Is anadrol really that hard on you? I've read on it and didn't get that kind of impression with the dosage and length I suggested. If so maybe I should try Tbol beings I didn't care for Dbol.

[viperblue]

Oh yeah and the primary reason I'm wanting to use EQ is because everything I read says it is great for vascularity, so that is the purpose of it in my stack.

[Tyrone]

The quantities aren't because I had poor gains with my first cycle I was basically using the quantities I've read that work best(or best results). My first cycle was:

400mg TestE weeks 1-10
250mg Deca weeks 1-10
20mg Dbol ED weeks 1-4


I stopped the dbol within a week because I didn't like the puffy look it was giving me, so I guess that was basically omitted from the cycle. Around week 5 I bumped the TestE up to 600mg.

Is anadrol really that hard on you? I've read on it and didn't get that kind of impression with the dosage and length I suggested. If so maybe I should try Tbol beings I didn't care for Dbol.
Well the adrol gave me a puffy face where as test and Eq didn't. Shit after you first cycle you should just run the Newbie Gold. Your first wasn't shit, just wierd and kind of off. :cool:

[Tyrone]

The test is wear(IMO) you saw some results.

[viperblue]

Yeah it was my first cycle so I didn't know how my body would react so I didn't want to go overboard.

[Tyrone]

Sorry if you already posted stats but could you post em and goals.

[viperblue]

I'm 6 foot tall and weigh 200-210lbs(it fluctuates), i don't know my body fat% but I have a 31" waist so you know I'm not fat. I'd like to reach 230-240lbs.

[hismadnessty]

The quantities aren't because I had poor gains with my first cycle I was basically using the quantities I've read that work best(or best results). My first cycle was:

400mg TestE weeks 1-10
250mg Deca weeks 1-10
20mg Dbol ED weeks 1-4


I stopped the dbol within a week because I didn't like the puffy look it was giving me, so I guess that was basically omitted from the cycle. Around week 5 I bumped the TestE up to 600mg.

Is anadrol really that hard on you? I've read on it and didn't get that kind of impression with the dosage and length I suggested. If so maybe I should try Tbol beings I didn't care for Dbol.

Where are you getting the quantities for your cycles from? Your first cycle wasn't concentrated enough, and your second is over kill. I'm telling you, If you bump your Test E from 400mg/wk to 500mg/wk you'll notice the difference. Also, 250mg Deca / wk won't do shit. Bump that to 600mg/wk. If you wanna run Adrol or DBol do it at 50mg/day not 20mg/day (like your 1st cycle) or 100mg (like your second). I think you can make your cycle much more economical by dropping the Eq, doing test 14 weeks @ 500mg/wk, and Deca for 14 weeks @ 600mg/wk. That should do the job. Remember... this is just your second cycle. You've got some time before you're gonna need 750mg of test/wk to see gains.

[Beetlejuice]

Rememeber that moderation is something we need to use when dealing with gear. It is your second cycle. If you dont like Dbol use oral TBOL it will be a lot easier on you than adrol and you will not retain water as much as either of the other 2. Second if you dont like water retention drop the decca. It aromitises very easily. Use 500 mg of test and 400 - 500 mg of EQ. EQ is much like decca except you will experience some extra vascularity, and not as many sides (not as much water retention). EQ was first released under the name winstrol 5. It is like a cross between decca and winstrol but milder. Now if you end your cycle with 6 weeks of oral Tbol, and your diet is right you WILL bulk. Just remember though that your cycle is a bulking cycle. So dont worry about vascularity right now. If you want size and muscle mass then concentrate on bulking. If you want vascularity and cut then you need a new cycle. Trying to do both in a cycle ends up hurting your overall progress. Unless you run cycles in 6 month periods (or longer) like I do. Bulk until you are where you want to be on size and then start using cutting cycles until you are where you want to be. Good luck viper.

[viperblue]

Thanks for the new replies all info and advice is appreciated. Beetlejuice, I was going to use the tbol at the front of my cycle for a kickstart, are you saying it would be better used at the end of my cycle?

[Beetlejuice]

Yes because it will help you to keep your gains. I have found that a good oral at the end of a cycle has a tendancy to help solidify gains. It is a good kickstart too though. :)


Thanks for the new replies all info and advice is appreciated. Beetlejuice, I was going to use the tbol at the front of my cycle for a kickstart, are you saying it would be better used at the end of my cycle?

[viperblue]

Beetlejuice, what about using tbol for 4 weeks at the beginning and 4 weeks at the end of a 14 week cycle? That wouldn't be too taxing on the liver would it, especially since tbol is so mild?

My new proposed cycle:

500mg eq weeks 1-14
500mg Test E weeks 1-14
50 mg tbol ED weeks 1-4 and 10-14
.25 mg arimidex ED weeks 1-14
and clomid for pct

How does this look Beetlejuice? Any recommendations for changes?

[Beetlejuice]

I think you should be okay because of the 6 weeks in between however, I would eriously consider doing a full 6 weeks at the end of your cycle. I cant tell you about running it front and end as far as results because I havnt ran it that way. I don't know anybody who has either. I am sort of interested to know how it works.

[Experiment 626]

Beetlejuice, what about using tbol for 4 weeks at the beginning and 4 weeks at the end of a 14 week cycle? That wouldn't be too taxing on the liver would it, especially since tbol is so mild?

My new proposed cycle:

500mg eq weeks 1-14
500mg Test E weeks 1-14
50 mg tbol ED weeks 1-4 and 10-14
.25 mg arimidex ED weeks 1-14
and clomid for pct

How does this look Beetlejuice? Any recommendations for changes?

Def improvement over your first cycle idea. Some additional changes could help:

EQ active life in the body is 3 wks due to the decanote ester so run EQ until wk 13. Or run test until wk 15. This will help your PCT.
Also why not go with Dbol 30mg ed 1-4
and
Tbol 50mg wks 10-16

Protect your liver by running LIV52 6 tabs ed and Milk Thistle wks1-16

Also recommend buying 100 10mg tabs of nolvadex to have on hand if gyno problems pop up. If they don`t, use the nolvadex with clomid post cycle to boost natural test.

[Tyrone]

Yes because it will help you to keep your gains. I have found that a good oral at the end of a cycle has a tendancy to help solidify gains. It is a good kickstart too though. :)
What about anavar?

[viperblue]

Thanks for the info and suggestions. Experiment, I tried dbol in my first cycle and stopped after about a week because I was getting so puffy, I wasn't worried about the face but my chest and stomach looked so puffy it sucked. This is why I was going to try tbol, I had also thought about anadrol but it kind of has a bad rep for risks plus I'm sure I'd be really puffy on that.
Beetlejuice, I'm going to try it at the beginning and end I'll let you know how it turns out.
Tyrone, isn't anavar expensive?

Also If I run a 14week cycle does that mean I should wait 14 weeks until my next cycle?

[Tyrone]

Thanks for the info and suggestions. Experiment, I tried dbol in my first cycle and stopped after about a week because I was getting so puffy, I wasn't worried about the face but my chest and stomach looked so puffy it sucked. This is why I was going to try tbol, I had also thought about anadrol but it kind of has a bad rep for risks plus I'm sure I'd be really puffy on that.
Beetlejuice, I'm going to try it at the beginning and end I'll let you know how it turns out.
Tyrone, isn't anavar expensive?

Also If I run a 14week cycle does that mean I should wait 14 weeks until my next cycle?
Anavar is exp. but basicly what you gain you keep off of it so in some way I was thinking it might help you keep more. Not completely sure but I just got done with my last shot of test of TestE/Eq and am about to start the pct along with a slight cutter of clen/T3/anavar. The slight cutter was only a couple hundo.

[viperblue]

Tyrone, did you like the test e/eq cycle, did you get pretty good gains? Just curious beings that's what I'm getting ready to try.