Stiff..in the wrong places

[CountVascular]

Ok, so I am not on anything other than T3, Anavar and Winny (with Liver protectant form Synthetk)...

I am stiff in my joints, and have lost my drive ( if ya know what I mean :eek: )....

Being single, I suppose I dont notice not being up for a good rootin' ( :D ) as often as you involved guys! But hey, even my hand feels neglected, and has even offered to take me out for drinks and dinner to get me in the mood!!
And Gawd forbid, I am probably the only guy living in Asia with this problem!!!!

Arghhhhhh....any help?

And while on the subject of my cycle, if I added some Deca (it is easy to get OTC from the Pharmacy here - say 200mg-400mg per week for 8 weeks, and some D-bol for 4 weeks, would I be buggering up my cycle? Or am wasting my time with the quantities? Please bear in mind I am on oral winny and anavar, so am concerned with the old liver adding another oral.....Tho I am using the synthetek liv protector.......

Thanks guys for the advice as always....

[tatteredxangelx]

1) Winny is 100% responsible for the stifffness
2) Deca would better the stiffness, but would worsen the sex drive
3) your problem would be completely solved add 500mg of test a week, and either drop the winny or add 400mg of deca.

Otherwsie you're gonna have to deal with it ... lol ... and why are you complaining if your not getting ass anyway ... you'll save on tissues ;)

[CountVascular]

:D So you saying add 500mg of test, and 400mg of deca and drop the thought of d-bol? If i only wanted to run it for 8 weeks, is this the right combo???

What would I add to the PCT (or before the PCT) to regain function?

As always, Tat, you are a star.

AND TO CLARIFY, ASS NOT IN AN ALNATTY WAY!!!!!!!!! :D

[tatteredxangelx]

no need for dbol ... it will make you look like shit, but i am pretty anti-oral other than anavar so you may wna heed some1 elses advice on that.

how long have u been on for?

if it is less than 2 weeks you are fine ... drop the anavar and run

test 500mg 10weeks
deca 400 8 weeks

and from weeks
8-12 take take the anavar

you can continue your winny until week 8 ... anavar will help you come off ... for PCT you will need clomid and nolvadex

days 1-15 clomid100mg, nolva 40
days 15-30clomid 50mg nolva 20

[CountVascular]

This is my third week of Anav, and my first of Winny (I started Sat)......

If I added just one injectable( whether it be Test or Deca), and continued with the winn and Anav for the reamining six weeks, what would it be?

I was only thinking of the Deca coz I can get the Org one OTC in 10 minutes....

Say I continued with the cycle I am on, added Deca, what would I need to come off it (besides the PCT)...I have proviron, but have the time to order something else......I suppose the Deca would reduce the pain.....would it add a little bulk, and also prevent the t3 chewing too much muscle?

Questions, Questions :D :rolleyes: :D

[Kaiser]

First off, I'll need age, height weight, training and gear experience. Fill these in and I'll tell you what I think on the matter.

[tatteredxangelx]

do not run deca alone ... test or primo are the only injects id run alone ... its either test alone or test/deca ...

[CountVascular]

Thanks Tat and Kaiser..... :D

[Kaiser]

Thanks Tat and Kaiser..... :D

Can you fill me in on the questions I asked? I might be able to tighten up on your problem. This is definitely not to say that my man Tattered didn't answer your question correctly. There might just be a shorter route.

[CountVascular]

Sorry Ace, had to minimize the screen and bolt there!

I am running the anav and winny, with t3. I am 5.11, 180 lbs and I havent done a cycle in years - sadly not properly through the stupidity of youth. I am fairly fit, go to the gym 5 times a week and have been training hard for the last six months.....and am 36 years old

As I said when I first started posting on this cool forum, my job as a chef means i cant get to agro ( :D ), so I want to avoid too much of the rage side of things! ( not that I suffer to much, save for the odd outburst at a noisy f'ing karaoke parrot).

I would like to add a little bulk, and at the same time sweat my ass of shedding some porkiness.... I am happy with my gear so far, but am gettin a little sore (and the lack of wanting to put my fellah into every hot asian bird I see is a concern!!!!!) and thought adding some deca would do just that.

I can only add that I have the highest regard for the advice from you guys, you lot having the t-shirts and the bulges to go with it :D..

PS and Kaiser, shouldnt you be packing your bags for a cool vac...I hope all has come right since the WTF post :)

[Kaiser]

A thin chef! There's something I haven't seen in a while. Ok, back to your problem. Looking at this with an abused eye I can say that your natural test level may be suffering and starting to deplete. This being said Tattered was right on the money. You should have been doing test with this cycle of AAS. Not sure if you realize it, but Test is different than AAS. AAS tends to lower natural Test levels and without a supplement at your age, you will feel the problems that you are feeling (or not feeling ;) ) today.
Second question:
Are your nutz hanging normally or are they like walnuts?

[CountVascular]

They seem to feel normal.....but then I havent been inclined to give them a feel....they seem to be hanging normally, but not as full ( :confused: ) as normal, not through being drained :eek:

Ok, will order some test to add.......How Much should I order, and do I add HCG or something like that to do before my PCT?

So if I add it to my cycle, then how do I proceed...and for what length of time?

Thanks....

Being a good looking thin chef has its advantages..I get to cook hot chics great breakfasts...but it is the fun bit before the brekkie I miss.LOL

[J-Birdo]

Kaiser and Tattered are right on the money! I recommend the:

TESTOSTERONE ENANTHATE 333MG/ML by Aburaihan, Iran.

Very nice for a very nice price!

[CountVascular]

Was thinking of Alins Stealth Test E....still a little nervous of Hong Kong customs and being shipped of to China in the bottom of a junk :D

How long do I run it for?

[J-Birdo]

Was thinking of Alins Stealth Test E....still a little nervous of Hong Kong customs and being shipped of to China in the bottom of a junk :D

How long do I run it for?

That's also a very good choice!! Don't be nervous. That's why they're called stealths.

I'm doing a 10 week cycle, with 4 weeks of D-Bol in the middle. I only use 1cc of each a week because my body is very hormonally sensitive. Any more than that would be overkill for me. I'm 37 yrs old, 5'9" 184 lbs (or there about...I haven't stepped on a scale in a few months.)

[hismadnessty]

I think Tat was pretty on the money with 8-10 weeks. If you've been off gear for a while, 500mg/wk of Test E will give you more than enough drive, and you'll blow right up. By about week 5 you should be taking Asia by storm. You'll be a regular king kong.

[tatteredxangelx]

im about to get a culinary degree ... I would be atleast 30lbs heavier if food was free and the stove was always on ... especially if it's chinese food ... flyguy, asian women, asian food, testosterone ... I think your in heaven!

PS. you do not need to worry about getting mad, 1) you are a grown man and seem mature 2) from your posts you seem like an overall happy guy.

If you were a dick and bugged out on people test may incite tho (only b/c I believe it's mental), but from what I can sense, test will only make you happier and hornier.

and for anyone that doesn't believe that testosterone IS NOT responsible for aggression answer me this. How come animals do not get mad when they are given steroids?

[CountVascular]

Hey there Tat..a fellow Chef!!!

I am opening restaurants in Oz, here in Hong Kong and I have a couple in South Africa...Ever want a job, let me know.....I LOVE living in Asia......restaurants are booming, food supply is good, people spend.....

I will order some test e stealth from Alin...how much should I order, how much per week and how often and for how long??

[tatteredxangelx]

lol im not a chef ... im saying I wish i was ... i fuck up scrambling eggs in the morning!

i would order 40ml b/c it is the best deal ... you will use around 24 for your cycle and it never hurts to have xtra ;) wna do 2 shots a week for 12 weeks ...

[CountVascular]

Tatx, Thanking you kindly... :D

And hismadnesty, nothing wrong with being king kong in Asia, especially when you are also hung long :D :D :D

[CountVascular]

Tat, placed it with The Man, but had to get Deca and Test E to make up the minimum amount....Pleaqse let me know the new amounts to be taken and any extra PCT or "gonad get em moving formula" for after :D

[Tyrone]

Tat, placed it with The Man, but had to get Deca and Test E to make up the minimum amount....Pleaqse let me know the new amounts to be taken and any extra PCT or "gonad get em moving formula" for after :D
I just went and looked up what was used in the kits on shop when ordering stealth. You can find how much to use and what else you might need for pct and things.

[CountVascular]

Thanks Tyrone..placed my order with the Man, smooth as silk :D

[Tyrone]

Thanks Tyrone..placed my order with the Man, smooth as silk :D
Good man. :cool:

[CountVascular]

Ok, so if I may ask...see different combos', some decca and test E on the cycles and stacks section of the shop...Would you recommend HCG? Is this for the Decca or for the effects of the Test E? Some run HCG for the entire time, some every 4 weeks??? ANd some run A-dex too - I have some A-Dex, can I use this to reduce water retention?

And am I correct in starting PCT 3 weeks after last Jab?...I would like to run Decca for 10 weeks and Test E for 12.....Sound on the numbers?

Thanks :)

[Tyrone]

I have never ran HCG with it. Just Nolva and trying to decide whether or not to take the clomid at all for pct of Test e/eq as we speak.

[CountVascular]

Thanks Ace, your advice is appreciated :D

[tatteredxangelx]

dont run any anti-e's before PCT ... unless you need them (signs of gyno) they will hinder your gains.

[hismadnessty]

dont run any anti-e's before PCT ... unless you need them (signs of gyno) they will hinder your gains.

Is that really the case? I've always used a-dex or Nolv during my cycles. what about for the sake of water-weight suppression? I don't want to look like a fuckin blowfish when i'm on cycle. :D

[Kaiser]

Was thinking of Alins Stealth Test E....still a little nervous of Hong Kong customs and being shipped of to China in the bottom of a junk :D

How long do I run it for?

Hehe, like when they used to ship manure in crates at the bottom of a ship and methane gas built up exploding the ship with lanterns that were down in the hull.

To remedy this problem "Ship High In Transport" was marked on the side of the crate or abreviated "S.H.I.T.". A little useless knowledge of where the word "Shit" came from. :D

Maybe Alin could write "SHIT" on your packages...lol... :D

[Tyrone]

Hehe, like when they used to ship manure in crates at the bottom of a ship and methane gas built up exploding the ship with lanterns that were down in the hull.

To remedy this problem "Ship High In Transport" was marked on the side of the crate or abreviated "S.H.I.T.". A little useless knowledge of where the word "Shit" came from. :D

Maybe Alin could write "SHIT" on your packages...lol... :D
That is funny as shit! :D :D

[Kaiser]

BTW, technical issue follow ups I posted in this thread:
http://www.alinboard.com/showthread.php?t=3022

[tatteredxangelx]

estrogen plays a VERY important part in muscle gains. Taking an anti-estrogen will defintely inhibit those gains. Yeah,, you may stay bloated for a couple weeks, but it is up to you if you want the different between 16 and 22 lbs ... ya know? Now nolvadex should be used for PCT 100% of the time, but unless your getting bitch tits, I wouldnt touch adex or n-dex during cycle.

Im sure Ouch or Kaisar and give you a technical elaboration on what I am trying to say.

[Kaiser]

estrogen plays a VERY important part in muscle gains. Taking an anti-estrogen will defintely inhibit those gains. Yeah,, you may stay bloated for a couple weeks, but it is up to you if you want the different between 16 and 22 lbs ... ya know? Now nolvadex should be used for PCT 100% of the time, but unless your getting bitch tits, I wouldnt touch adex or n-dex during cycle.

Im sure Ouch or Kaisar and give you a technical elaboration on what I am trying to say.

He's right on this. Estrogen definitely helps out growth. It will also help out when he needs to stabilize his Testosterone to a good natural level. It is a balancing act, but, all in all Estrogen isn't as bad for you as what people gosip.

[hismadnessty]

Well in that case, here's my situation: I'm going into Sr year of college and I'm home for the summer. I want to get the most out of my cycle as possible, but if a-dex is gonna inhibit gains I don't wanna take it. Is the extra weight gonna be mostly water? My parents are already on my ass about this shit, I tell them the water weight is from Creatine. Neither of them are athletes so it's not a big deal. However, I'm worried an extra 8lbs of water's gonna make me look like the Nutty Professor. Will doing an Anti-Est free cycle make me look more symptomatic?

[CountVascular]

Ok, cool...will keep the decca for the next one...will stick to the Test e, in the doses you recommended Kaiser, and will keep all the PCT, with the extra Nol for the unwanted man boobs :eek:

[Alin]

Ok, so I am not on anything other than T3, Anavar and Winny (with Liver protectant form Synthetk)...

I am stiff in my joints, and have lost my drive ( if ya know what I mean :eek: )....

Being single, I suppose I dont notice not being up for a good rootin' ( :D ) as often as you involved guys! But hey, even my hand feels neglected, and has even offered to take me out for drinks and dinner to get me in the mood!!
And Gawd forbid, I am probably the only guy living in Asia with this problem!!!!

Arghhhhhh....any help?

And while on the subject of my cycle, if I added some Deca (it is easy to get OTC from the Pharmacy here - say 200mg-400mg per week for 8 weeks, and some D-bol for 4 weeks, would I be buggering up my cycle? Or am wasting my time with the quantities? Please bear in mind I am on oral winny and anavar, so am concerned with the old liver adding another oral.....Tho I am using the synthetek liv protector.......

Thanks guys for the advice as always....


You need some testosterone in your system. Add 500mg Test E per wk and possible some Proviron.

[CountVascular]

Thanks Alin...it was a pleasure ordering it from ya yesterday :D

[CountVascular]

Hehe, like when they used to ship manure in crates at the bottom of a ship and methane gas built up exploding the ship with lanterns that were down in the hull.

To remedy this problem "Ship High In Transport" was marked on the side of the crate or abreviated "S.H.I.T.". A little useless knowledge of where the word "Shit" came from. :D

Maybe Alin could write "SHIT" on your packages...lol... :D

Thats all I would need..a coupleeee packages marked Shit, a box of needles and a sense of humour failure from a Chinese fella from Customs..... Spending time in a Chinese prison would just be SO Wong :D

[Kaiser]

You need some testosterone in your system. Add 500mg Test E per wk and possible some Proviron.

He is, already taken care of yesterday brother.

[Kaiser]

Well in that case, here's my situation: I'm going into Sr year of college and I'm home for the summer. I want to get the most out of my cycle as possible, but if a-dex is gonna inhibit gains I don't wanna take it. Is the extra weight gonna be mostly water? My parents are already on my ass about this shit, I tell them the water weight is from Creatine. Neither of them are athletes so it's not a big deal. However, I'm worried an extra 8lbs of water's gonna make me look like the Nutty Professor. Will doing an Anti-Est free cycle make me look more symptomatic?

Here are the differences: Water aids in strength gains majorly which in turn gives size of muscle growth. But in the end it doesnt look as well as someone who stays dry. It's all in what you want at the time. Here's a key note that I actually heard from someone at ProM that really makes sense to me:

A lesson for everyone, I'm feeding you pearls here:
Don't look at what you want to be looking like at the end of this cycle. Have the patience to look at what you want to look like at the end of 10 cycles because sooner or later that's where you are going to be. (lets face it, we're all not quitting gear and probably never will)

IE: Quit the short term vision and have the ability to see where you want to be in the end. I am a successful business man and have always looked at business that way, but when I heard it about BBing, I was startled for a second and then it made so much sense to me. I now look 3 cycles ahead and give myself VALID gain goals.

It just goes to show why some famous BBers do not compete for a year and a half to get the gains they need because they know that the interim is just not competition worthy.

[CountVascular]

He is, already taken care of yesterday brother.

Thats the cool thing about the Internet, and this forum in particular.....Need an answer, and you get it, often with humour, never with ego-bullshit, and always with learned experience...... :)

[Kaiser]

Thats the cool thing about the Internet, and this forum in particular.....Need an answer, and you get it, often with humour, never with ego-bullshit, and always with learned experience...... :)

Thanks for the comliment man. We're trying to make this as much like a brother to brother discussion as possible. We're all on the same level. rAJ and I may be moderators but we're no better than anyone else. We learn from people's experiences also. You're always welcome here.