Tren A question

[The BB Monad]

Guys, I've never run Tren and some of the fellows have had really bad experiences with it. However, the opposite is also true. Therefore, I am wondering about adding it to my cutting cycle:

Test Prop 100mg EOD
Masteron 100mg EOD
Equipoise 200mg EOD
Anavar 60mg ED

This cycle is minimum 12 weeks but probably going onto the 16 week.

If I decided to try Tren A at a low dose, say 50mg EOD, what would you say?

Also, I probably wouldn't run it thoughout the cycle so would it be better at the beginning or at the end? Is 6 weeks enough or too much or what?

Any tips/help welcome!

Thanks guys! :)

[Jello]

I ran it for 8 weeks @ 75 EOD and absolutely loved it.

[The BB Monad]

And side effects?

[Jello]

Had a little trouble sleeping until I started running Prami.

[panther#1]

If you use it in this cycle, I would recommend using it for say the last 6 weeks as an added kick. Remember that a little goes a long way.

[The BB Monad]

2 Questions and both probably stupid!

1) How low is too low for Tren? I mean, can I start at 25mg EOD and see how I react and then go to 50 and eventually maybe 75? I admit that Tren is the steroid that most scares me!

2) What the hell is Prami?

[dudcki27]

2 Questions and both probably stupid!

1) How low is too low for Tren? I mean, can I start at 25mg EOD and see how I react and then go to 50 and eventually maybe 75? I admit that Tren is the steroid that most scares me!

2) What the hell is Prami?

I'd start with at least 50mg eod and go up from there is you're feeling ok. I wouldn't go past 100mg eod if you can handle that dose.

[AlwaysBanned]

2 Questions and both probably stupid!

1) How low is too low for Tren? I mean, can I start at 25mg EOD and see how I react and then go to 50 and eventually maybe 75? I admit that Tren is the steroid that most scares me!



Bro, you absolutely can start at 25mg eod and slowly move up. In fact, I highly suggest it. Tren Ace is insanely powerful.

I ran it at 50mg eod and could barely handle it.

[Invrt]

I'd start with at least 50mg eod and go up from there is you're feeling ok. I wouldn't go past 100mg eod if you can handle that dose.

Bro, you absolutely can start at 25mg eod and slowly move up. In fact, I highly suggest it. Tren Ace is insanely powerful.

I ran it at 50mg eod and could barely handle it.

Both of these statements are true ;) The thing is Tren is one of those compounds that some experienced guys get gyno after the second shot and others can run it at 300mg EOD:eek: It's ratio is 500/500 so yes a little does go a long way. I've run it at 75mg and 100mg EOD and 50mgED. I'd start at 75mg EOD and see what happens. If you get sides it will happen pretty quick and you'll know. That's another good reason to run the acetate ester. The night sweats happen to me on the night before my next injection, I do get more aggressive and the strength gains are amazing. The sides not many talk about are less with the acetate than the enth. I do get insomnia, another side that is hard to explain is that I get extremely jealous. I am not at all jealous and have never had a problem with it except on tren. Others get some other similar type "mental" sides ( one buddy of mine gets obsessed with "pissing" porn :eek:) on tren. The stuff rocks but you will never know until you give it a whirl. The other problem is if it works for you NOTHING will compare to it:cool:

[Jello]

2 Questions and both probably stupid!

1) How low is too low for Tren? I mean, can I start at 25mg EOD and see how I react and then go to 50 and eventually maybe 75? I admit that Tren is the steroid that most scares me!

2) What the hell is Prami?

Alin has posted many times about having athletes he's training running 37.5 and getting amazing results. I started with 75 EOD and moved up to 100 after a couple weeks. Loved the results and want to run it from here on out now.

[Ricer]

All you Tren users, do you guys run a prolactin inhibitor the entire time on the cycle?

[Invrt]

All you Tren users, do you guys run a prolactin inhibitor the entire time on the cycle?

No I run and ai. Without the presence of excess estrogen you shouldn't have a problem with the prolactin levels. But I do have it on hand in case it shows up.

[Ricer]

Thanks Invrt. I may get liquid prami instead of ordering bromo tablets. I do how ever wish ALIN sold caber!

[Invrt]

Just want to clarify a couple things. The last article is what I believe, however this is a long running debate.

From Muscle Talk uk

Despite the fact that trenbolone cannot aromatise, due to the progesterone route it can cause things like gynecomastia, but this will only really happen in the presence of estrogen. This does happen though in many users, as trenbolone is usually stacked with a testosterone, which obviously can and will convert to estrogen. Gynecomastia from trenbolone can be quite bad many will find, however if you do not suffer from this than other estrogenic side effects should not be of worry, as trenbolone does not cause any water retention or similar, but in fact often gives a hardened look and feel to the muscles.



From Anthony Roberts

Trenbolones chemical structure makes it resistant to the aromatize enzyme (conversion to estrogen) thus absolutely no percentage of trenbolone will convert to estrogen. Trenbolone administration would not promote estrogenic side effects such as breast tissue growth in men (gynecomastia, bitch tits) accelerated fat gain, decline in fat break down and water retention trenbolone. Trenbolone is also resistant to the 5- alpha-reductase enzyme, this enzyme reduces some steroid hormones into a more androgenic form, in trenbolones case however this does not matter, trenbolone boasts an androgenic ratio of 500, it can easily cause adverse androgenic side effects in anyone who is prone cases of hair loss, prostate enlargement, oily skin and acne have been reported. Unfortunately trenbolones potential negative side effects do not end there. Trenbolone is also a noted progestin: it binds to the receptor of the female sex hormone progesterone (with about 60% of the actual strength progesterone). In sensitive users this can lead to bloat and breast growth worse still, trenbolones active metabolite17beta-trenbolone has a binding affinity to the progesterone receptor (PgR) that is actually greater than progesterone itself . No need to panic though, the anti-estrogens letrzole or fulvestrant can lower progesterone levels, and combat any progestenic sides. The use of a 19-nor compound like trenbolone also increases prolactin& . bromocriptine or cabergoline are often recommended to lower prolactin levels.

Progesterone Gyno
September 7th, 2007 by Paul Johnson


Bodybuilders have used Trenbolone and have found themselves developing gyno even though it doesn’t convert to estrogen. Gyno, also known as gynecomastia ( male breast growth), is often considered to be the result of estrogen. However, Tren has the unique ability to cause gyno without actually producing estrogen.

Role of Progesterone in causing gyno:

Progesterone is found in both males and females. It is a precursor to many important hormones in men and women. In women it plays a role in pregnancy and in breast growth. In men, excessive progesterone can stimulate breast growth, like it does with women. While Estrogen is normally the cause of gynecomastia under normal physiological conditions, Tren and other similiar steroids stimulate the progesterone receptors because they are not only anabolic steroids, but also of a class called progestins. Progestins are the synthetic forms of steroids structurally similiar to progesterone, that have the ability to bind to the progesterone receptor too. Deca and Anadrol also are progestins, but they also aromotize to estrogen, unlike Tren. Some bodybuilders coin the term “progesterone gyno”, to explain gyno from progestin steroids.

Progesterone Gyno Controversy:

There is a major debate among bodybuilders on this entire topic. Some believe that progesterone causes the gyno in Tren users. Others believe it is actually prolactin, the hormone responsible for lactation and breast growth during a women’s pregnancy. This may explain why some experience lactating on tren cycles. Others believe it is a combination of estrogens and either prolactin or progesterone, working all synergistically to develop gyno.

Who is right?

Many Research studies I’ve seen, show that estrogen plays a synergistic role with progesterone, prolactin, and in gynecomastia. Although some bodybuilders say it’s the prolactin or progesterone directly causing it, there is no studies to show gyno can develop without high levels of estrogen. Even IGF-1 and Growth hormone has been shown in studies to play a crucial synergistic role in the development of breast tissue. So I believe no matter what kind of steroid you take, lowering estrogen with anti-estrogens and avoiding stacking Tren with aromatizing steroids, is how you really prevent “Progesterone gyno”. With very low levels of circulating estrogen, it appears impossible or very difficult for progesterone gyno to develop

[mfnrogers]

Bromocriptin will work but would prefer caber myself. I tried the liquid dostinex from ag-guys and wasn't impressed.....

What do you think about using letro to combat progesterone/prolactin issues with tren???

It should almost completely eliminate estrogen which in theory would eliminate possibility of progestrine/prolactin issues that only occur in presence of the estrogen.

[mfnrogers]

What I am saying by the way is not is it ok to use letro (just re-read comment and that's kinda how it came across). I mean in comparison to Bromocriptin or Caber. Do you think there is any bennifit over the other two or maybe the other two is a better route?

We know they all work but so do Mast and test but there is a big difference in which is better. To me letro seems to have more of the bases covered and sort of give a multi effect.

Was just looking for feedback from someone who has used the substances for prolactin/progesterone issues and has a preference and will share why.

[The BB Monad]

I never ran an AI or caber and had no problems at all... Loved my cycle: Test P, Mast and Tren A.

[countryboyWVU]

I run caber with tren.

I run tren 100mgs 2x a week, I have even done 100mgs 3x a week. I love tren/test, it is by far my favorite. I sweat and get clammy on tren, I dont stink, but when i get worked up, like when im with a chick, I have a layer of sweat on me, but it doesnt stink at all, which is awesome. And when i sleep ill sweat also.

[WarMuffin]

I never ran an AI or caber and had no problems at all... Loved my cycle: Test P, Mast and Tren A.

How did you run this dose BB? I am thinking about this very combo myself for a spring lean mass cycle. I am thinking about keeping the test dose low and moderate amounts for the mast and tren, something like this-

75mg test prop EOD
75-100mg tren ace EOD
125mg mast prop EOD

So roughly 225mg test, 225-300mg tren and 400mg mast a week. Thoughts, advice? This would be my first run with tren

I wouldn't normally hijack a thread like this, but it's an old one :o:):D