Newbie Help With first cycle

[wicked3ztt]

Hello to all and thanks in advance for any and all responses. I am trying to figure out a good beginners cycle to help with bulking. currently taking 60mg balkan dbol and 1ml sustanon 250 every 5 days. I have noticed pain every time from injection on the sustanon. I have noticed a halfway decent increase in bench since starting this combination and have gained approx 10 lbs in 4 weeks. Am just about out of my sustanon and was planning to place my next order for more goodies and was just curious if anyone had any thoughts on what is best from alins list and where i should go from here. I have been lifting about 10 months first time ever. I am 5'8" weigh 167lbs (started at 138lbs) little to no bodyfat at all. Started benching 95 lbs and am currently up 335lbs 2 times and 295-305 in 3 sets of 5 reps. Anything I left out that i might need to list to help get answers please let me know and ill try to keep updated. Thanks again for everyones help.

[Invrt]

Hello to all and thanks in advance for any and all responses. I am trying to figure out a good beginners cycle to help with bulking. currently taking 60mg balkan dbol and 1ml sustanon 250 every 5 days. I have noticed pain every time from injection on the sustanon. I have noticed a halfway decent increase in bench since starting this combination and have gained approx 10 lbs in 4 weeks. Am just about out of my sustanon and was planning to place my next order for more goodies and was just curious if anyone had any thoughts on what is best from alins list and where i should go from here. I have been lifting about 10 months first time ever. I am 5'8" weigh 167lbs (started at 138lbs) little to no bodyfat at all. Started benching 95 lbs and am currently up 335lbs 2 times and 295-305 in 3 sets of 5 reps. Anything I left out that i might need to list to help get answers please let me know and ill try to keep updated. Thanks again for everyones help.

Welcome to Alin Board ! I'm not quite clear on your cycle. Are you only taking D-bol once every five days ? Also according to board rules we can't give you a cycle we can critique on a cycle you post up. Use the search function and you'll learn a lot here. The first suggestion I'll give you is to pin your sust EOD, to take advantage of the shorter esters.

[wicked3ztt]

No on the d-bol im taking 60mgs per day and 1ml of sustanon 250 every 5 days. Sorry I was unaware of board rules in regards to recommended cycles I am thinking of using Testosterone Enanthate in place of my sustanon 250 and continuing with my 60mgs per day of d-bol. Not really sure of what the best test is also not sure of how many items a cycle should consist of like dbol, test and something else or if just those 2 would be enough. Thanks for the reply though

[Invrt]

No on the d-bol im taking 60mgs per day and 1ml of sustanon 250 every 5 days. Sorry I was unaware of board rules in regards to recommended cycles I am thinking of using Testosterone Enanthate in place of my sustanon 250 and continuing with my 60mgs per day of d-bol. Not really sure of what the best test is also not sure of how many items a cycle should consist of like dbol, test and something else or if just those 2 would be enough. Thanks for the reply though

I prefer single esters (short ones personally) but I'm on Enth for TRT. D-bol should be used for 4 weeks to kick start your cycle and 60mg is about twice the dose I'd recc for a first timer. Personally anything over 40mg was more water and less liver.

Stick with the d-bol, single ester (enanthate) for a few cycles.

Concentrate on diet...diet and then diet;)

[georgefrompa]

drop the dbol after 4 weeks. your on a low dose of test but i guess its ok.
how long is this cycle going to be? if your going over 8 weeks your going to need PCT.

[wicked3ztt]

what is pct? I have been on the dbol for around 4 weeks now. So i should stop taking it now and then pick up full test injections only or should I add something else. Not really sure how long cycle will last or how i should go about doing it im reallly in the blind and looking for any and all help I can get. I am looking to bulk first and then cut. want to make it to around 400 pounds on my bench. Thanks again for replies everyone

[georgefrompa]

slow down there .... you had better do some reading before ya screw it all up. stop your cycle at week 8. pct is post cycle therapy.

2 months later you can start again with a 12 week cycle
read up pct.

read up on the test and deca cycle.. thats a good one to start with. also read up on hcg and clomid.. armadex for the deca if you need it. read on food too, take your time you have alot to grow before you will benifit from aas

[Invrt]

what is pct? I have been on the dbol for around 4 weeks now. So i should stop taking it now and then pick up full test injections only or should I add something else. Not really sure how long cycle will last or how i should go about doing it im reallly in the blind and looking for any and all help I can get. I am looking to bulk first and then cut. want to make it to around 400 pounds on my bench. Thanks again for replies everyone

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Ok, this to me is like a 911 call. Don't even think about 400lbs bp. If you really went from 93lbs to 300 you are going to fuck up your tendons and joints. Your body can't handle that much overload in 4 weeks.

1. Stop the d-bol at 4 weeks
2. Sust : if it's dosed at 250mg/ml use .6cc EOD for 10 weeks
3. PCT= Post cycle therapy. When you inject testosterone your body quits producing it. So you need to "stimulate" your system into making it again. If you don't you will drop down to test levels of a 12 y/o female. Your body will go "catabolic" and you will lose all of your gains,cry at chick flicks and start watching the lifetime channel (not really but that would be better than what is going to happen)

-2 weeks after your last injection of sust:
< Take Nolvadex 40mg everyday for weeks 1 and 2, then 20mg ED for weeks 3&4
< Take Clomid 100mg everyday for weeks 1&2 then 50mg ED for weeks 3&4

You can get all this on alinshop.in

You still have 6 weeks to get the PCT you should be fine. BUT you need to do some research here and learn a ton before you do another cycle.

Read this thread....Then read it again...then again

http://alinboard.com/showthread.php?t=12453

[wicked3ztt]

Awsome sounds good really appreciate the help. I didnt go from 95lbs to 335 in 4 weeks (lol that be super sweet) thats actually what i started lifting 10 months ago when i first lifted ever and weighed 138. I am really going to do a ton of research and think at this point what I am going to do is finish the current cycle i have been on for around 4 weeks of 60mgs dbol and 1ml of sus every 5 days for 4 more weeks then lay off for a bit and start back with one of the cycle kits alin has. Any other hints thoughts or comments about what i should try would be great. Thanks again to everyone who took the time to answer my post and try to help me out

[ojs]

at 5'8" and 167lbs you're not quite carrying enough LBM to make use of all that Dbol. The sad thing is you're just wasting money. And even sadder is you'll most likely lose most if not all of the gains you've made in the last 4 weeks.

I'd get off the Dbol and start pinning 0.5ml of Sust E3D. Then every two pins taper it down like 0.5ml E4D, then E5D then stop. I think you'll be way ahead just starting over from scratch. But I could be wrong.

How old are you? And how much weight have you gained in the last 4 weeks?

[ojs]

Just for reference I took this last Friday. He's a natural that I'm working with. He's 5'7" and weighing in 164lbs. He started at 127lbs

We've talked about starting AAS. And he's very clear that it will be a waste of time until he gets to a solid 175lbs. At that point there will be enough receptors to make the magic happen. We're thinking next year may be about right. Who knows? Who cares? There's no hurry. He needs to finish building his base so he can get BIG!

His diet is dead on and so is his training. The biggest compliment he gets is being accused of being on steroids!:cool:

[wicked3ztt]

I am 28 and have gained around 7-8 pounds in the last 4 weeks I have went up probably 20-25 pounds on my bench in that amount of time. So if I was to start over right now what would I want to do just sus250? and thats it?

[ojs]

I am 28 and have gained around 7-8 pounds in the last 4 weeks I have went up probably 20-25 pounds on my bench in that amount of time. So if I was to start over right now what would I want to do just sus250? and thats it?

First of all at 5'8" and only 158lbs you have little business doing a cycle yet. And if you gained less than 10lbs in 4 weeks while on 60mg a day of Dbol you have a whole lot of homework to do before thinking of doing another cycle.

Age wise you're fine.:cool:

[the joker]

my first cycle was a few years ago, 500 mg of test cyp and 300 mg of deca per week for about 8 weeks. it was the perfect cycle to start off and I did the exact cycle a few more times and still got great results. as has been said, d bol is great the first 4 or so weeks on a bulking cycle but as a beginner, for me, that stack did everything and more than I thought it would.

[drob29]

First of all at 5'8" and only 158lbs you have little business doing a cycle yet. And if you gained less than 10lbs in 4 weeks while on 60mg a day of Dbol you have a whole lot of homework to do before thinking of doing another cycle.

Age wise you're fine.:cool:

I agree 100% with this.

my first cycle was a few years ago, 500 mg of test cyp and 300 mg of deca per week for about 8 weeks. it was the perfect cycle to start off and I did the exact cycle a few more times and still got great results. as has been said, d bol is great the first 4 or so weeks on a bulking cycle but as a beginner, for me, that stack did everything and more than I thought it would.

ok lets see. 8 weeks deca is almost a waste, and unless your 150 lbs deca dose to low (2.2 mgs per wk per lb of body weight is optimal) and test needed to be run 2 weeks past deca. And adding dbol into that is a mistake. Your idea of a perfect first cycle is actually a horrible first cycle.

here is a good first cycle for a person who is ready and has proper body weight, age, diet, workout and rest in place

test cyp 500 mgs wk for 10 weeks, 2 weeks off, standard PCT

[chrisr116]

I agree with OJS. I would just use the Sustanon and get off the d-bol. Personally, I love test E, but have used sust on two previous cycles and got good results. I would also order your PCT meds now, dont wait any longer...

Also, I would be really careful with your shoulders when you're benching over 400lbs. All it takes is one time to screw up a shoulder and you will be nursing it for months. I tore up a shoulder at 405 on the flat bench and it took over six months to heal. Right now, I could easily push over 400, but self limit to multiple reps with about 315 to avoid that shoulder going out. But at 42 years old, I am a little more restrained than alot of the younger guys. These guys are way more experienced than myself, but I am just throwing in my two cents. Good luck...