Running second cycle, experts help please~

[nycbull]

Ok so I ran my first cycle about 3 years ago which comprised of oral Turinabol, Deca, and Sust, nolva(PCT). I ate alot, worked out 6 days and added at least 15 pounds to my 6'1, 185, 11% BF body. I used BD products and felt like superman. Then Superman became quite lazy for a couple years and wants to get back into it now... I have great metabolism and dont have to worry about BF (I believe Im currently at 12-13%) and weigh about 180. My strength is nowhere near where it was at peak. Ive been doing more cardio (running 3 miles a day) than anything else.

what I currently have (and if I need to order more just tell me):
30ML Stealth Deca (200mg)
15ML Stealth Test E (250mg)
10ML Stealth TriTren (150)
Nolva

If someone could help me construct a decent cycle out of this, Id really appreciate it. If I run 10 weeks I would have about 375mg per for Test so I might need to order more right or just run a 9 wk cycle? I dont know where to add the tren (at the beginning or towards the end?) but im dying to try this stuff and I want a cut/ripped/veiny look. My ultimate goal is to gain at least 15 pounds of lean mass (Im 6'1 and at 180, I always feel "lanky" especially the lower body), double my strength, and feel like a billion bucks like I did during my first cycle (God the fucking was great:D)
Any sound advice would be appreciated. Also how long should I work out in a consistent regimen before I start juicing again? Thanks

[drob29]

Ok so I ran my first cycle about 3 years ago which comprised of oral Turinabol, Deca, and Sust, nolva(PCT). I ate alot, worked out 6 days and added at least 15 pounds to my 6'1, 185, 11% BF body. I used BD products and felt like superman. Then Superman became quite lazy for a couple years and wants to get back into it now... I have great metabolism and dont have to worry about BF (I believe Im currently at 12-13%) and weigh about 180. My strength is nowhere near where it was at peak. Ive been doing more cardio (running 3 miles a day) than anything else.

what I currently have (and if I need to order more just tell me):
30ML Stealth Deca (200mg)
15ML Stealth Test E (250mg)
10ML Stealth TriTren (150)
Nolva

If someone could help me construct a decent cycle out of this, Id really appreciate it. If I run 10 weeks I would have about 375mg per for Test so I might need to order more right or just run a 9 wk cycle? I dont know where to add the tren (at the beginning or towards the end?) but im dying to try this stuff and I want a cut/ripped/veiny look. My ultimate goal is to gain at least 15 pounds of lean mass (Im 6'1 and at 180, I always feel "lanky" especially the lower body), double my strength, and feel like a billion bucks like I did during my first cycle (God the fucking was great:D)
Any sound advice would be appreciated. Also how long should I work out in a consistent regimen before I start juicing again? Thanks

at 6 ft 1, 180, your tall and skinny. You need to figure out your diet before you do any AAS. So post your current diet and training split and we can help. Without proper diet your wasting your time and you will not maintain any gains you do get from a cycle.

post up.

EDIT: If anyone ever says "I am an AAS expert listen to me", DONT.

[nycbull]

my diet fluctuates but I eat alot of meat and other proteins, need to do more fruits and veggies but I would say Im currently around 3,000 calories. Obviously while on AAS, I ate a lot more- my metab lets me eat whatever I want.... what exactly is a proper AAS diet besides lots of calories, lots of carbs/proteins and good fats? I drink a gallon of water a day and quit alcohol for the new year. As i said I got lazy and havent been at the gym religiously in months. Thats why I gotta get in there consistently before I start and asked what a good timeframe would be... Right now I curl freeweights with lots of reps and bench about 200. I have been doing more pushups than anything (about 250 a day)

[Invrt]

I would say Im currently around 3,000 calories.

When you figure out EXACTLY how much you are eating and your breakdown, let us know. Until then you are wasting your time.

[Mr. Intensity]

my diet fluctuates but I eat alot of meat and other proteins, Diets shouldn't fluctuate, you either have it or you don't

As i said I got lazy and havent been at the gym religiously in months. Thats why I gotta get in there consistently before I start and asked what a good timeframe would be...There is no timeframe for you to use gear until you can get your diet and training in check!

Right now I curl freeweights with lots of reps and bench about 200. I have been doing more pushups than anything (about 250 a day)Are you serious? You've got to be kidding here.

What?:eek: Right now you curl freeweights with lots of weights and bench about 200....and doing 250 pushups a day. Be careful, because if you use gear at this point your clothes might rip apart from your extreme workout. J/K:D Seriously bro, you are nowhere near ready to start a cycle. How old are you anyway? That workout sucks! You said you just quit drinking for New Years...you've been lazy...and you haven't been at the gym religiously in months. You may not like my advice or the advice of others, but YOU ARE NOT READY. You have a lot to learn about diet and training...and at your size you have a lot of natural growth there for the taking. Stop what you are doing and start a NEW thread about diet and training. I know you said you are simply planning a possible cycle, but even that is a long way from where you are now. If you think that gear is going to help your training habits and clean up your diet, you are wrong. Again, you may not like what I have said here, but it's the truth.

[nycbull]

I dont understand how it would be a waste of time... the last cycle (my first and only cycle) I made enormous gains, felt awesome and maintained it for almost a year until I got lazy and started drinking regularly (that killed the training). Im not a 50 yr old trying to turn my tits into pecks again, of course I can gain it naturally albeit slooowly, but Im an impatient New Yorker who likes efficiency and wanna look and feel great this summer. Everyones body reaction is different I suppose and I know my body and how it adapts very quickly to changing circumstances. As I said Im going to hold off for a couple months while I train like Chuck Norris on meth and then I shall cycle. My question IS when said time arrives, what can I do with the product that I have wasting away in my sock drawer? Particularly the tren...

[wagnikon]

You can't do jack shit with it. You still won't be ready in three months. That is the advice you are going to get here and that is all there is to it. Nobody is going to approve of this. Sorry, stick out the constructive criticism or go find another board.

[Mr. Intensity]

I dont understand how it would be a waste of time... the last cycle (my first and only cycle) I made enormous gains, felt awesome and maintained it for almost a year until I got lazy and started drinking regularly (that killed the training). Im not a 50 yr old trying to turn my tits into pecks again, of course I can gain it naturally albeit slooowly, but Im an impatient New Yorker who likes efficiency and wanna look and feel great this summer. Everyones body reaction is different I suppose and I know my body and how it adapts very quickly to changing circumstances. As I said Im going to hold off for a couple months while I train like Chuck Norris on meth and then I shall cycle. My question IS when said time arrives, what can I do with the product that I have wasting away in my sock drawer? Particularly the tren...

So...are you going to use the Chuck Norris total gym (as seen on T.V.), or are you going to stick to your push-ups and "curls with lots of weights"?:eek: I challenge you to search around on this board and read some of the members workout routines so that you can see what I see wrong with your workout. You also pointed out that you are "an impatient New Yorker". Hearing you say that leads me to believe that you actually think that gear is "muscle in a bottle", which it's not and there is no such thing. By the way, you never answered my question.....HOW OLD ARE YOU? I could be wrong, but looking at the combination of your posts, routine, and training habits I'm going to assume that you are way too young to start a cycle anyway. There is a whole lot more to training than push-ups and curls, which you did say that you have "been doing more push-ups than anything". Get your priorities straight! Now, you will probably get pissed off by this post because you already demonstrated that you are impatient and unwilling to take constructive criticism. Thats OK! Your workout routine and training habits suck, which should be your number one priority along with diet...not asking for cycle advice. Even if you were ready to cycle, no one is going to build your cycle for you. If you have cycled before with success as you claim, then you should have no problem building your own cycle.

[DTownDandy]

Solid advice guys...

Look, it's this simple...Your diet sucks ass. To GET BIG, you need to EAT BIG...
I can almost gurantee at 6'1. 185, you have bird legs.....

DECA+TREN= PROG GYNO!!! Im sure you dont want puffy, itchy, leaky nips right?

You want to put on some serious size? Get the diet dialed in, and train, especially your legs... Heavy Squats, Leg Presses, Hack squats, etc...Thats where your weight will come from.

EAT BIG......LIFT BIG.......GET BIG

No need for gear, especially the Tren....you can just keep that shit locked up for another year. Once you get over 200lbs, chime back in and maybe we can get something setup with the test and deca...

[nycbull]

Thanks for the advice guys- Im fine with constructive criticism, thats why Im here- to learn the truth. I never intended on just shooting some "muscle in a bottle" without the proper training/diet and after doing lots of research I see now what I need to do but it essentially takes starting from scratch so when you say my diet and training sucks, well of course it does- Im not denying that.... Im seeking advice for the future not my past. However I have gear because I remember how beautifully my body reacted to it (**with proper diet and exercise). It should also be noted that I am not trying to sound like marky mcguire, but I also liked the gear for the health benefits- I suffer from herniated discs (from weight lifting back in high school) and the deca eased my joints, lubricated the discs greatly.

Curious as to what exactly the TRI-TREN I have does (Ive read its profile/reviews) but still dont quite have a solid understanding. If it will ultimately give me c-cups then perhaps I should stay clear, however I never had any gyno problems form my first cycle and I barely even took the Nolva.

yes, you are correct I have tweety bird legs, but that has nothing to do with the training- Im one of thos guys that can squat a car all day long with no visible gain....

and I thought I had mentioned it in my original post- I am 26yrs old and ran the first cycle at 23

[Get Some]

Listen to D-town. He is absolutely correct about the prog gyno. Dial in your diet and training and then your body will be ready for aas. It is always better to keep your cycles simple that way you can control the compounds you are taking.

[Jello]

Tren for a second cycle, not a good idea. Tren and Deca is a definite no no.

If you are not seeing changes in your legs with your current training routine then you are not trying hard enough.

[nycbull]

what exactly does tren do? Ive only heard positive reviews about the shit (aside from sweats and bad dreams..)

if Im starting from scratch again with training, what would be the best routine in your opinions? Im looking at the other forums and theres so many different options, I really dont know where to begin... Ive heard good things about the 3 day "failure" split but Im not sure Im ready for that yet...my strength sucks right now. should I worry about numerous reps/slow and perfect form to begin with?

[nycbull]

anyone...?

[drob29]

anyone...?

anyone what? anyone want to tell you all about what you need to know, ouline a diet, propose a training program, advise you about steroids...is that what you want anyone to do?

[Invrt]

anyone what? anyone want to tell you all about what you need to know, ouline a diet, propose a training program, advise you about steroids...is that what you want anyone to do?

LMAO:D:D:D:D

[Mr. Intensity]

Tren for a second cycle, not a good idea. Tren and Deca is a definite no no.

If you are not seeing changes in your legs with your current training routine then you are not trying hard enough.

I agree 100%

anyone what? anyone want to tell you all about what you need to know, ouline a diet, propose a training program, advise you about steroids...is that what you want anyone to do?

Lol!:D He's an impatient New Yorker!

what exactly does tren do? Ive only heard positive reviews about the shit (aside from sweats and bad dreams..) Positive....:eek: It can be pretty nasty my friend

Im looking at the other forums and theres so many different options, I really dont know where to begin...After seeing your routine, starting from scratch is the best thing you can do. Start with the basics!


For you to even be considering Tren is not a smart move. Have you done any research on this drug? Yes, it can be a great asset to a cycle, but only for experienced users. Let me give you a quick lesson. Tren and Deca, which are anabolic steroids, are also classified as progestins. This means they are structurally similar to progesterone. While Deca does aromotize to estrogen, Tren on the other hand does not. So, how is it possible to get gyno from Tren if it does not aromotize? This is because of Tren’s ability to stimulate the progesterone receptors, which can result in what members here refer to as Prog Gyno. Prog gyno is some nasty shit that can cause lactating nipples...luckily I've never had this problem. Besides prog gyno, Tren can also have some other serious and pretty nasty sides. Since Tren is highly androgenic, it can cause sides such as hair loss and acne. For me, I rarely get acne from Test, but it's pretty significant with Tren. Other sides can be poor sleep, extreme sweating, decrease in cardio, high blood pressure (worse than other compounds), and kidney damage (which is debatable due to the lack of evidence). For some people, Tren can be used with minimal sides. With that said, I've also seen a lot of people stop using it mid cycle because the sides are so bad. These are the common sides of Tren and hopefully I didn't miss anything...if I did someone please chime in. Either way, I hope you read this and think twice about considering Tren.:eek: Like I've stated to you before, go with a 10-12 week Test C or E only cycle, with Clomid and Nolva for PCT. If you are worried about bloat, add some adex at .25mg ed. I think you will be suprized how much you can grow from a test only cycle with a good diet and workout plan.

Don't make things more difficult than they have to be...keep your cycles simple!

[Invrt]

hopefully I didn't miss anything...if I did someone please chime in.

Dreaded Tren Cough ! I've only got it right after injection a couple times but I coughed so hard I puked !

[Mr. Intensity]

Dreaded Tren Cough ! I've only got it right after injection a couple times but I coughed so hard I puked !

I knew I was forgetting something. Probably because I'm one of the lucky ones that don't get it.;) I do always get a funny taste in the back of my throat after injections, which I have no clue what it is.

[ojs]

OK so this guy really doesn't know what he's doing and is asking for help. So is anyone going to point him to the Newbie Forum to read the 3 Sticky Threads:

1. Growth principles from Big A
2. The A-Z for Newbies!!!
3. Newbie info...

...Or do I have to do this? :cool:

I just did 6 sets of 20 reps on the hack squat. and I'm really feeling too lazy to post links right now.:D:D:D

[Invrt]

OK so this guy really doesn't know what he's doing and is asking for help. So is anyone going to point him to the Newbie Forum to read the 3 Sticky Threads:

1. Growth principles from Big A
2. The A-Z for Newbies!!!
3. Newbie info...

...Or do I have to do this? :cool:

I just did 6 sets of 20 reps on the hack squat. and I'm really feeling too lazy to post links right now.:D:D:D

I just made a thread that about covers it

http://www.alinboard.com/showthread.php?t=29202

[ojs]

I just made a thread that about covers it

http://www.alinboard.com/showthread.php?t=29202

Good thread!!!

[Get Some]

Ojs you have a way with words!! And your new pic is SICK!!! Strong work my brother.

[nycbull]

thanks for the words of wisdom Intensity, I appreciate it. Drob- my goal is to get sound advice so that I dont end up bald and bloated (obviously you must be a scorned victim from the wicked tren judging from your pic...) I have been to the newbies forum and have read almost every post- went to Columbia so I know a thing or two about research- however there are conflicting opinions on every single issue and Im trying to decide whats the ultimate best way to approach. there seems to be alot of fans of tren- many say they experience no side effects whatsoever but regardless I dont want my nips to milk:eek: so I guess I have 10ml of free stealth tren if anyone wants:confused:

[Mr. Intensity]

thanks for the words of wisdom Intensity, I appreciate it. Drob- my goal is to get sound advice so that I dont end up bald and bloated (obviously you must be a scorned victim from the wicked tren judging from your pic...) I have been to the newbies forum and have read almost every post- went to Columbia so I know a thing or two about research- however there are conflicting opinions on every single issue and Im trying to decide whats the ultimate best way to approach. there seems to be alot of fans of tren- many say they experience no side effects whatsoever but regardless I dont want my nips to milk:eek: so I guess I have 10ml of free stealth tren if anyone wants:confused:

I'll take it!:p The reason there is conflicting opinions is because every person is different...meaning every person will have different experiences from various types of AAS. Tren is never a good idea for newbies...and any product you use, you need to research that product and KNOW every single positive and negative effect that it has. Definately follow OJS's advice and read BigA's stickys in the newbie forum....those stickys should answer a lot of your questions and give you a solid starting point as far as diet and training goes.

[BigPapaWuWu]

I think what they're all trying to tell you is, you need to learn more about maintaining a proper diet, and how the human body functions. You need to work your brain like its a muscle too. You should at least lift for a year before using AAS...thats just my opinion though.