first cycle input and thoughts please.

[jonnyhardknock]

Hey everyone, i am interested in starting my first cycle. i am thinking of doing a test cyp/winny cycle.
i am 175 lbs, 23 yrs old, been working out for approx. 2.5 yrs steady.
i would like to slowly throw weight on so that i don't attract more attentiion than necessary, but would like to be at the 200 lb mark after a cycle or two like this.
after this cycle, to be at the 190 lb mark would be satisfying.

i was thinking of doing low dosages of the test just to see how my body reacts, can you give me some input on this cycle?

200 mgs of test weekly, for wks 1-12
30 mgs of winny daily, wks 6-12
clomid 50 mgs every 3 days for wks 6-15
nolvadex 20 mgs daily wks 15-20.

is this a proper way to do pct or am i off with my research?
any advice or tweaks to dosage is much appreciated.

[dudcki27]

Test dose is way to low and so is the winny wich I wouldn't even run in a first cycle. You should do 10-12 weeks of test cyp at 500mg a week. Wich would be a very solid first cycle. And your pct isn't good. Search pct on this board and you will easily find the proper pct to run of nolva and clomid. And hcg would be better to run through out cycle to keep the boys going.

[giff]

how tall are you? whats your diet like?

[jonnyhardknock]

how tall are you? whats your diet like?

5'10, my diet is pretty solid, 3 squares, eat almost everythign i can see and i have protein shakes at least once a day. also using kre-akalyne as a supplement.

i just can't gain any weight.

[Mr. Intensity]

Hey everyone, i am interested in starting my first cycle. i am thinking of doing a test cyp/winny cycle.
i am 175 lbs, 23 yrs old, been working out for approx. 2.5 yrs steady.
i would like to slowly throw weight on so that i don't attract more attentiion than necessary, but would like to be at the 200 lb mark after a cycle or two like this.
after this cycle, to be at the 190 lb mark would be satisfying.

i was thinking of doing low dosages of the test just to see how my body reacts, can you give me some input on this cycle?

200 mgs of test weekly, for wks 1-12
30 mgs of winny daily, wks 6-12
clomid 50 mgs every 3 days for wks 6-15
nolvadex 20 mgs daily wks 15-20.

is this a proper way to do pct or am i off with my research?
any advice or tweaks to dosage is much appreciated.

Okay, one thing that really irritates me is when newbies start a new thread asking the same question they already asked in another thread, because they didn't like the advice they received from the first thread. Not even two weeks ago in your first threadhttp://www.alinboard.com/showthread.php?t=28892, you asked this same question. So again, you are going to get the same reply. You obviously have not done any research like I told you to do in your first thread because your PCT is still way off. If you type PCT in the search window, I guarantee you will find the proper Clomid/Nolvadex protocal on the first page. In the other thread, "Alwaysbanned" suggested that you run test only (500mg/wk) for your first cycle, which is always what I recommend for first cycles. Also, your PCT was way off in your first thread and I told you that you needed to research a lot more before you start anything. Do you even know what PCT stands for? I guess it doesn't matter because you are obviously going to do whatever you want despite receiving advice from people that know a whole lot more than you. Why even bother asking for advice if you're not going to listen to it?

[xvvfacevvx]

my diet is pretty solid, 3 squares,


i just can't gain any weight

You Just answered your own question. My five year old kid eat's more than you. Thats all I got for now.

[jonnyhardknock]

Okay, one thing that really irritates me is when newbies start a new thread asking the same question they already asked in another thread, because they didn't like the advice they received from the first thread. Not even two weeks ago in your first threadhttp://www.alinboard.com/showthread.php?t=28892, you asked this same question. So again, you are going to get the same reply. You obviously have not done any research like I told you to do in your first thread because your PCT is still way off. If you type PCT in the search window, I guarantee you will find the proper Clomid/Nolvadex protocal on the first page. In the other thread, "Alwaysbanned" suggested that you run test only (500mg/wk) for your first cycle, which is always what I recommend for first cycles. Also, your PCT was way off in your first thread and I told you that you needed to research a lot more before you start anything. Do you even know what PCT stands for? I guess it doesn't matter because you are obviously going to do whatever you want despite receiving advice from people that know a whole lot more than you. Why even bother asking for advice if you're not going to listen to it?

apparently you didn't read the posts on the other thread. i did exactly what you said, read the profiles, and checked out as much as i could and now came back and posted a cycle that i thought was acceptable.
how about instead of being a snotty prick, you actually help someone gain knowledge instead of tearing it down without actually doing any good for them.
im sure you know lots about gear and the proper way to do things, but im also sure that there was a time when you asked questions and didnt' know what you were talking about. no one starts out a genius.
and yes i do know what pct stands for...and the reason i post questions bro is because i want advice.
and by the way, i read your advice to me last time, and it had nothign to do with changing a cycle, it was just telling me do more research, which is fine, but now that ive come back and done it, for you to be a dick right off the hop is fuckin garbage. how do you expect ppl to learn if the ppl they come to for questions are assholes?
anyways, im going to keep posting questions, and even though they may seem stupid to you, maybe just don't answer them or waste your time posting because your obviously just to damn smart to waste your time teaching a newb such as myself.

[dudcki27]

Uh oh. Looks like another soap opera thread. People are to fucking sensitive. Lighten up.

[Invrt]

teaching a newb such as myself

Mr Intensity is right it isn't our job to "teach" or what you want "spoon feed" anybody. I can see why the vets get pissed, every month you see the same questions over and over and over, after awhile it just gets old. There are several newbies that post, have researched and it is obvious right away that they have. I researched AAS for at least 2 years before my first cycle. Now perhaps you are researching in the wrong places. There are serveral good sites including this one that you could get all your answers with the search button.

200mg wk of test is barely a TRT dose and if you are 23 you probably have more test in your system than you will after shutting your HPTA down and relying on that 200mg dose. If you do some more research and come back you will get some great advice. Get some thick skin and learn from everybody here. You will be welcomed with open arms when you come back and ask intelligent questions. You will get a lot of respect from the vets for doing it. It's called "eating a little crow."

[Mr. Intensity]

Uh oh. Looks like another soap opera thread. People are to fucking sensitive. Lighten up.

No...no more soap operas. I'm done getting into pissing matches over petty shit.

apparently you didn't read the posts on the other thread. i did exactly what you said, read the profiles, and checked out as much as i could and now came back and posted a cycle that i thought was acceptable.
how about instead of being a snotty prick, you actually help someone gain knowledge instead of tearing it down without actually doing any good for them.
im sure you know lots about gear and the proper way to do things, but im also sure that there was a time when you asked questions and didnt' know what you were talking about. no one starts out a genius.
and yes i do know what pct stands for...and the reason i post questions bro is because i want advice.
and by the way, i read your advice to me last time, and it had nothign to do with changing a cycle, it was just telling me do more research, which is fine, but now that ive come back and done it, for you to be a dick right off the hop is fuckin garbage. how do you expect ppl to learn if the ppl they come to for questions are assholes?
anyways, im going to keep posting questions, and even though they may seem stupid to you, maybe just don't answer them or waste your time posting because your obviously just to damn smart to waste your time teaching a newb such as myself.

Look friend, there is a reason I responded the way I did, and I think typed words are often misinterpreted as compared to spoken words. Look at it from my angle for a second. Everyday, this board and any board for that matter has people who ask questions that can easily be answered with the search button. A lot of times, these same people ask their questions and receive solid advice, but its not the advice they want to hear so they keep asking the same questions. It really gets old and makes me wonder if some of these people are looking for advice or simply looking for approval.

As for your post, it seemed exactly like the same question you asked in the other thread. To be honest, I don't know anything about you as far as stats and experience, which is important when giving advice about AAS. I don't want to be the one giving advice on how to build a cycle to a teenager. Hopefully you can understand and respect that! You probably have been researching since I told you to several days ago, but you're still off with a lot of your information. In fact, I'm pretty sure all the questions you asked can be answered using the search window.

Now...the name calling is uncalled for bro! You may not believe it, but I actually have your best interest in mind. Just as I do with anyone I talk to or give advice to. Sorry if my post upset you, but I tend to be pretty direct when it comes to your health.

My advice for a first cycle is probably about the same as any other experienced member here....Test only!

10-12 weeks of Test C or E at 500mg per week is a good first cycle.
PCT goes Clomid 100/50/50 and Nolva 40/30/20...which is pretty standard. The reason I recommend Test only as a first cycle is because you are putting a chemical in your body. Do you know how you are going to react to the chemical itself, let alone the oil (different types depending on brand/lab), and BA? So if you don't know how you will react to one compound, why would you choose to put two, three, or four compounds in your body? You won't know what each compound does for you, negatively or positively, if you put multiple compounds in your body on your first go.

Anyway, I think I've said enough here and I hope you can now see my point of view.

[Mr. Intensity]

Mr Intensity is right it isn't our job to "teach" or what you want "spoon feed" anybody. I can see why the vets get pissed, every month you see the same questions over and over and over, after awhile it just gets old. There are several newbies that post, have researched and it is obvious right away that they have. I researched AAS for at least 2 years before my first cycle. Now perhaps you are researching in the wrong places. There are serveral good sites including this one that you could get all your answers with the search button.

200mg wk of test is barely a TRT dose and if you are 23 you probably have more test in your system than you will after shutting your HPTA down and relying on that 200mg dose. If you do some more research and come back you will get some great advice. Get some thick skin and learn from everybody here. You will be welcomed with open arms when you come back and ask intelligent questions. You will get a lot of respect from the vets for doing it. It's called "eating a little crow."

Johnny, look at what I highlighted in Invrt's post. 2 years of research before he took the plunge. I researched just over 1 1/2 years before I did. When I started my cycle I had everything planned out from start to finish, gear in hand, and knowledge of what I was doing. Also, if you think myself or some of the other members here who have been around awhile never got flamed for asking stupid questions, you are sadly mistaken. Hope you learn from this and don't get pissed off like I've seen so many noobs do before.

[jonnyhardknock]

Johnny, look at what I highlighted in Invrt's post. 2 years of research before he took the plunge. I researched just over 1 1/2 years before I did. When I started my cycle I had everything planned out from start to finish, gear in hand, and knowledge of what I was doing. Also, if you think myself or some of the other members here who have been around awhile never got flamed for asking stupid questions, you are sadly mistaken. Hope you learn from this and don't get pissed off like I've seen so many noobs do before.

i apologize boys, just would like some advice minus the lip. no hard feelings on my end. there is nothign that worries me more than doing a cycle wrong and messing things up for myself. so in that respect i can appreciate the importance of ppl doing appropriate research before starting anything. ill be back with more questions...and ill suck up the lip :P
also, sorry bout the names..it was uncalled for.

[hardgainer9000]

Bro, you sound like you're in the same position I was with Test and Winny and I will tell you my sides that will make you rethink this combo. For my second cycle of Test Cyp (375mg/wk) weeks 1-12, then winstrol (50mg) weeks 10-14 my strength gains and mass went through the roof. However coming off the cycle and doing a proper PCT of Nolva 40/40/20/10 I got some bad side effects. I started to develop bad tendonitis in my right elbow and right rotator cuff. It was painful to work out for quite awhile. I have learned a lot since regarding these compounds and they decrease tendon and collagen strength substantially. If you ever want to do winstrol, I'd recommend including equipoise, Deca, or Primobolan to keep the tendon strength. Believe me it took almost two months just to get rid of the inflammation. My first cycle was Test E (500mg/week) and Tbol (40-50mg/day, 6 weeks), went great. I would recommend Tbol or Anavar for the first cycle if you're not looking for bloat with Dbol, and I'd recommend 500mg/week Test E or Cyp. Stay safe bro!!! When I use Winny again (injectable this time) it will be a stack of Test Prop/Primo with Equipoise.:):)

[Mr. Intensity]

i apologize boys, just would like some advice minus the lip. no hard feelings on my end. there is nothign that worries me more than doing a cycle wrong and messing things up for myself. so in that respect i can appreciate the importance of ppl doing appropriate research before starting anything. ill be back with more questions...and ill suck up the lip :P
also, sorry bout the names..it was uncalled for.

No problem! Hey, feel free to shoot me a PM for any help or questions that you have. I just don't want to see you make a mistake. Hit me up if you need to.

[wagnikon]

lol i'm starting to enjoy these.

[jonnyhardknock]

No problem! Hey, feel free to shoot me a PM for any help or questions that you have. I just don't want to see you make a mistake. Hit me up if you need to.

thank you bro, i appreciate it. im just here to learn like everyone else. :)

[jonnyhardknock]

Bro, you sound like you're in the same position I was with Test and Winny and I will tell you my sides that will make you rethink this combo. For my second cycle of Test Cyp (375mg/wk) weeks 1-12, then winstrol (50mg) weeks 10-14 my strength gains and mass went through the roof. However coming off the cycle and doing a proper PCT of Nolva 40/40/20/10 I got some bad side effects. I started to develop bad tendonitis in my right elbow and right rotator cuff. It was painful to work out for quite awhile. I have learned a lot since regarding these compounds and they decrease tendon and collagen strength substantially. If you ever want to do winstrol, I'd recommend including equipoise, Deca, or Primobolan to keep the tendon strength. Believe me it took almost two months just to get rid of the inflammation. My first cycle was Test E (500mg/week) and Tbol (40-50mg/day, 6 weeks), went great. I would recommend Tbol or Anavar for the first cycle if you're not looking for bloat with Dbol, and I'd recommend 500mg/week Test E or Cyp. Stay safe bro!!! When I use Winny again (injectable this time) it will be a stack of Test Prop/Primo with Equipoise.:):)

thanks for the input. tendon damage is not something i had considered as a possible side. ill make sure to check that out.

[jonnyhardknock]

so now i feel really dumb. i just found the search tab and realized that every forum i use has one and that is the ticket to research and finding info.
what a beautiful thing that tab is.

[Mr. Intensity]

so now i feel really dumb. i just found the search tab and realized that every forum i use has one and that is the ticket to research and finding info.
what a beautiful thing that tab is.

Holy shit...and I just thought you were being stubborn and didn't want to use the dang thing...lol! Isn't it great!

Bro, you sound like you're in the same position I was with Test and Winny and I will tell you my sides that will make you rethink this combo. For my second cycle of Test Cyp (375mg/wk) weeks 1-12, then winstrol (50mg) weeks 10-14 my strength gains and mass went through the roof. However coming off the cycle and doing a proper PCT of Nolva 40/40/20/10 I got some bad side effects. I started to develop bad tendonitis in my right elbow and right rotator cuff. It was painful to work out for quite awhile. I have learned a lot since regarding these compounds and they decrease tendon and collagen strength substantially. If you ever want to do winstrol, I'd recommend including equipoise, Deca, or Primobolan to keep the tendon strength. Believe me it took almost two months just to get rid of the inflammation. My first cycle was Test E (500mg/week) and Tbol (40-50mg/day, 6 weeks), went great. I would recommend Tbol or Anavar for the first cycle if you're not looking for bloat with Dbol, and I'd recommend 500mg/week Test E or Cyp. Stay safe bro!!! When I use Winny again (injectable this time) it will be a stack of Test Prop/Primo with Equipoise.:):)

Here is a sticky from the AAS forum by Ironfreak83 about Tendon strength and collagen synthesis.

http://www.alinboard.com/showthread.php?t=9685

I won't use winny anymore because I already have a screwed up deformed knee. Anyway, that sticky has some great info johnny

[wagnikon]

not only does this forum have a search button but so does google, yahoo, msn. they work just as well if not better. i usually use google first and then come to this forum second. that is just me though. i am not a member of any other forums although many other forum threads pop-up when searching in google. i'll spend sometime reading them but a lot of time i see people definitely don't know what they are talking about in some other forums based on what i have learned. it seems like some forums are full of newbies. yikes. scary. i usually try to look for reports or articles that may pop up in google. many of them support the same answers you will get on this forum. but what these guys try to tell you on here is straight up. listen to them. they may be harsh but they know what the fuck they are talking about. they just get sick of answering the same ol' questions time and time again.

[jonnyhardknock]

Holy shit...and I just thought you were being stubborn and didn't want to use the dang thing...lol! Isn't it great!



Here is a sticky from the AAS forum by Ironfreak83 about Tendon strength and collagen synthesis.

http://www.alinboard.com/showthread.php?t=9685

I won't use winny anymore because I already have a screwed up deformed knee. Anyway, that sticky has some great info johnny

ya it is great. so many questions that i have, especially about pct, have been answered today. i feel like i actually took a step forward lol. awesome stuff, and thanks for that link, ill definitly check it out asap

[karl8887]

So your looking like this:
Test E or C - 12 weeks 500mg/week divided into 2 shots Monday and Thursday.

PCT
Clomid 100/50/50
Nolva 40/30/20

You can run the pct longer if you feel your not back to fully normal.

I'd consider to throw in some HCG to keep the boys going, 500iu twice a week starting around week 3. Also makes an easier recovery and effective pct.

If you wanted to jump start the cycle throw in tbol or dbol for a few weeks. dbol at 30mg or tbol at 50mg.

Make sure you have an AI on hand incase of gyno or estrogen related sides.

Good luck!

[dudcki27]

500 iu twice a week of hcg is a bit much. 250 iu twice a week or 500 E5 days is fine.

[jonnyhardknock]

So your looking like this:
Test E or C - 12 weeks 500mg/week divided into 2 shots Monday and Thursday.

PCT
Clomid 100/50/50
Nolva 40/30/20

You can run the pct longer if you feel your not back to fully normal.

I'd consider to throw in some HCG to keep the boys going, 500iu twice a week starting around week 3. Also makes an easier recovery and effective pct.

If you wanted to jump start the cycle throw in tbol or dbol for a few weeks. dbol at 30mg or tbol at 50mg.

Make sure you have an AI on hand incase of gyno or estrogen related sides.

Good luck!

ive been checking out the difference btwn clomid and nolva, and have read that clomid is not as important as having nolva. if i were to run hcg at 500iu e5d, could i cut out the clomid and just use nolva? it seems to me after llooking in to them, that clomid/nolva used together is for longer, heavier cycles. am i wrong or misinterpreting the info?

[ojs]

ive been checking out the difference btwn clomid and nolva, and have read that clomid is not as important as having nolva. if i were to run hcg at 500iu e5d, could i cut out the clomid and just use nolva? it seems to me after llooking in to them, that clomid/nolva used together is for longer, heavier cycles. am i wrong or misinterpreting the info?
Hahaha!!! Well, ...that really depends. How hard is your negative feed back mechanism going to push? Any idea? ...even a little tiny idea?

Get the point? If you have no serious previous experience with a particular compound, then no matter what you say about it, you're really just talking out of your ass. And to try and justify exactly what you'll need and what you can do without is just plain stupid.

If you're smart, you'll be prepared just like a good Cub Scout. Once you actually have plenty of experience, you can move things around and push things to the limit. End of story.

[jonnyhardknock]

Hahaha!!! Well, ...that really depends. How hard is your negative feed back mechanism going to push? Any idea? ...even a little tiny idea?

Get the point? If you have no serious previous experience with a particular compound, then no matter what you say about it, you're really just talking out of your ass. And to try and justify exactly what you'll need and what you can do without is just plain stupid.

If you're smart, you'll be prepared just like a good Cub Scout. Once you actually have plenty of experience, you can move things around and push things to the limit. End of story.

i hear you. keep it simple

[karl8887]

He's right, you dont know how you body is going to take on any compound. Everyone is different. Some people get tons of sides where others get little if any. Running test alone will determine how you react to it. It probably be your base for other cycles. Sides you encounter on that cycle are going to most likely going to be encountered on other cycles. For example gyno. Some people have problems when on test where others have none. Always have all your compounds on hand before you start. Dont start a cycle if your unsure what your doing for pct or dont have the compounds in hand. PCT is very important. Id keep A-Dex around for this cycle and extra nolva. They are the things that are going to help you when excessive bloat, gyno and other sides come up. If you dont use them, you have them for later. Its better to be safe than sorry. This is your body.

[jonnyhardknock]

He's right, you dont know how you body is going to take on any compound. Everyone is different. Some people get tons of sides where others get little if any. Running test alone will determine how you react to it. It probably be your base for other cycles. Sides you encounter on that cycle are going to most likely going to be encountered on other cycles. For example gyno. Some people have problems when on test where others have none. Always have all your compounds on hand before you start. Dont start a cycle if your unsure what your doing for pct or dont have the compounds in hand. PCT is very important. Id keep A-Dex around for this cycle and extra nolva. They are the things that are going to help you when excessive bloat, gyno and other sides come up. If you dont use them, you have them for later. Its better to be safe than sorry. This is your body.

ya...im not planning on doing a cycle for a while yet, maybe 6 mnths or a year, but i do know a bit of what i want to use. just want to make sure that i have everything down firmly before i start, and also, like you said, to make sure i have all my products before i begin.

[karl8887]

yea, good luck, eat smart, and train hard.

[SHORTSTOP]

definitely keep it simple all u need is one compound for your first cycle i would recommend test e or c for 10 to 12 weeks anywhere from 350 to 500mg weekly. get everything b4 u start and i mean everything from pins to gear and a complete pct protocol to your liking. do your research take notes get a calendar mark it all down and map it out. i did really well with one compound.

[wafinale]

Fuck the winni if your trying to Gain ...try T bol...look it up...

eat this

Meal 1 90 grams protein 135 carbs
meal 2 same
pre workout meal 210 simple carbs(grape juice has 40 carbs per cup) 90 grams protein
post...same

bedtime...90 grams protein 30 carbs

about 4500 calories without counting fat which should be as low as possible except for healthy fats...3.6.9. CLA..etc

[karl8887]

Yea, I agree with the tbol. That is good to throw in for the first cycle because there are few if any sides. You wont gain as much as dbol, but its water free lean mass without the trouble.

[Mr. Intensity]

Fuck the winni if your trying to Gain ...try T bol...look it up...

eat this

Meal 1 90 grams protein 135 carbs
meal 2 same
pre workout meal 210 simple carbs(grape juice has 40 carbs per cup) 90 grams protein
post...same

bedtime...90 grams protein 30 carbs

about 4500 calories without counting fat which should be as low as possible except for healthy fats...3.6.9. CLA..etc

Yea, I agree with the tbol. That is good to throw in for the first cycle because there are few if any sides. You wont gain as much as dbol, but its water free lean mass without the trouble.

Both of you need to read the entire thread. This is his first cycle, so advising him to add more compounds is not very good advice IMO. Test only for the first cycle is the way to go. I believe I stated my reasoning in another post in this thread.

[ojs]

Yea, I agree with the tbol. That is good to throw in for the first cycle because there are few if any sides. You wont gain as much as dbol, but its water free lean mass without the trouble.
Fuck the winni if your trying to Gain ...try T bol...look it up...

eat this

Meal 1 90 grams protein 135 carbs
meal 2 same
pre workout meal 210 simple carbs(grape juice has 40 carbs per cup) 90 grams protein
post...same

bedtime...90 grams protein 30 carbs

about 4500 calories without counting fat which should be as low as possible except for healthy fats...3.6.9. CLA..etc
Haha!!! These two are perfect examples of the kind of "Expert Bozzos" that will jump right in and give advice right out of their asses. You have to learn how to weed these kinds of stupid posts out.

[Mr. Intensity]

Haha!!! These two are perfect examples of the kind of "Expert Bozzos" that will jump right in and give advice right out of their asses. You have to learn how to weed these kinds of stupid posts out.

I was thinking the same thing when I read their posts. To share experience is one thing, but to give bunk advice like that is another. Why do people have to act like they know the answer to everything? I've been around awhile, but there are certain products and protocals that I WILL NOT give advice on because I don't have experience or know enough about it to be telling other people how to use it. This is exactly how people get themselves screwed up, and why gear is classified (dangerous) in the same categories as heroin, meth, coke, etc.

[karl8887]

I see nothing wrong with adding tbol. Most people jumpstart their cycles with dbol or tbol for a first cycle. I did with tbol and test for my first cycle and nothing wrong came out of it. Im basing my opinion on my own experience. All your doing is bashing me and you dont know what I know. Its not as if Im telling him to run anadrol or something. ITS TBOL. HA whatever guys. He is going to do what he wants. If he decides to do the test but wants to add in shit, at least im giving him the heads up. Go ahead and flame me for this post too.

[AlwaysBanned]

. Go ahead and flame me for this post too.

Gladly. Nobody needs an oral on their first cycle. Take your nine posts and bad advice to the newbie forum.

[ojs]

I see nothing wrong with adding tbol. Most people jumpstart their cycles with dbol or tbol for a first cycle. I did with tbol and test for my first cycle and nothing wrong came out of it. Im basing my opinion on my own experience. All your doing is bashing me and you dont know what I know. Its not as if Im telling him to run anadrol or something. ITS TBOL. HA whatever guys. He is going to do what he wants. If he decides to do the test but wants to add in shit, at least im giving him the heads up. Go ahead and flame me for this post too.
Here's a client of mine that's competed natural. He competed under a natural sanctioning body that uses WADA to do the drug testing. Very little gets through WADA. They're the best at steroid testing.

His stats at the time of this picture *(two weeks out from a show)
Age: 35
Ht: 6'2"
Wt: 226lbs
Arms: 19"
%BF: 6%

He's bigger than you are and NATURAL. You're a fucking twig with small arms, you're taking steroids, and on top of that, you're an idiot for thinking you're ready to give advice!

Now if I'm wrong I'll apologize. Just post a current picture that proves you know what you're doing and I'll apologize. Otherwise, you're still an idiot!!!!!

[dudcki27]

Haha!!! These two are perfect examples of the kind of "Expert Bozzos" that will jump right in and give advice right out of their asses. You have to learn how to weed these kinds of stupid posts out.

Ha! You crack m up ojs. That said you are right on the money.

[AlwaysBanned]

Damn OJs, I wish I was a client of yours!:D

[Mr. Intensity]

Here's a client of mine that's competed natural. He competed under a natural sanctioning body that uses WADA to do the drug testing. Very little gets through WADA. They're the best at steroid testing.

His stats at the time of this picture *(two weeks out from a show)
Age: 35
Ht: 6'2"
Wt: 226lbs
Arms: 19"
%BF: 6%

He's bigger than you are and NATURAL. You're a fucking twig with small arms, you're taking steroids, and on top of that, you're an idiot for thinking you're ready to give advice!

Now if I'm wrong I'll apologize. Just post a current picture that proves you know what you're doing and I'll apologize. Otherwise, you're still an idiot!!!!!

I wish all the newbies who think AAS is "muscle in a bottle" would take a look at that picture, just to see exactly what can be achieved naturally. Then again, all us Americans want to do things the easy way, ie....fast food, 30 second abs, and the new and improved "From Fat ASS to Bad ASS, in 2 minutes a Day"

Anyway, good post Ojs...and by the way, great work with that client...looks great.

[Jello]

Ojs, I'd put money on it he doesn't try to prove you wrong. You should stip that he put his screen name on his arm to prove it's him.