Eq,Test,Deca help needed

[JellyFish]

Im new to this and im trying the below right now

Week 1 to 13: 10mg Nolvadex daily
Week 1 to 10: 400mg of EQ weekly
Week 1 to 10: 500mg TEST ENANTHATE weekly
wk 13 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid daily
wk 14 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily
wk 15 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily

But a few people at my gym have suggested cutting the dosage of EQ and testE in half adding 200mg of DECA and make it a longer cycle..
any help would be greatly welcomed

I am 41 years old 5'5 and have weighed 110-115 my whole life Ive tried the whole natural thing with huge amounts of protein/calories/gym with doctor supervision a few years back and gained a measly 4 pounds after 7 months :( and finally gave up...

A friend gave me some dbol a few months back and after 1 month I shot up to 139 and felt good but i got scared and quit went down to 129lbs in less then 2 weeks..

So this my effort to hit around 150lbs

[jstforme]

thank you for coming here first before you do something stupid like running 250mg test and 200mg eq, those guys obviously dont know too much about gear

[Kaiser]

Week 1 to 13: 10mg Nolvadex daily
Week 1 to 10: 400mg of EQ weekly
Week 1 to 10: 500mg TEST ENANTHATE weekly
wk 13 - 40mg nolva+ 100mg clomid daily
wk 14 - 30mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily
wk 15 - 20mg nolva+ 50mg clomid daily


Keep this cycle just as it is. Do not listen to anyone at your gym, they are unqualified to give educated answers.

[JellyFish]

Tnx will do...

should I reduce the dosage because of my weight..and just out of curiosty I see a lot of people here running test/deca so is that ok (i gues deca / eq Is a nono)..

After this cycle is over is it advisable to run deca on its own and at what dosage

[dsrobertson73]

Never Ever Run deca alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I do not consider myself an expert and I am not being disrespectful. Running deca alone is that serious. Do a little search on deca and read. Most everything will tell you"Deca shuts you down". Everything I am reading suggests running test 2-3 weeks longer than Deca to surpass the active life of deca.There is plenty of info out there , just do a "DECA" search.
thnx
P.S. Made 1st order 4days ago.Waiting patiently.

[JellyFish]

Never Ever Run deca alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I do not consider myself an expert and I am not being disrespectful. Running deca alone is that serious. Do a little search on deca and read. Most everything will tell you"Deca shuts you down". Everything I am reading suggests running test 2-3 weeks longer than Deca to surpass the active life of deca.There is plenty of info out there , just do a "DECA" search.
thnx
P.S. Made 1st order 4days ago.Waiting patiently.


I will have nolva and clomid on hand same as the gold cycle ... but what im really concered is about these recomended dosages,,,,are they for a 250+lb male or a 130lb male..
Im doing Week 1 to 10: 400mg of EQ weekly
Week 1 to 10: 500mg TEST ENANTHATE weekly

Thats why Im here doing research and I have used The SEARCH button alot I think most people especially around here (my home town) are cluless...

[darkwingduck]

Why would you have EQ and Deca in the same cycle? I always thought it would be a waste of either one if used in the same cycle, aren't they close to being the same with the exception of EQ which doesn't give you the water retention.

[sowrdiezel]

if your a 130lb male then you really shouldnt be looking into AAS yet aha

[JellyFish]

if your a 130lb male then you really shouldnt be looking into AAS yet aha
LOL..I think I agree with you .... :)
For now I think Im gonna do 250 testE, 200 EQ for the 1st 3 to 4 weeks thne maybe bump it after that....

[linuxmaximus]

I am a newbie. I ordered Deca today. Is it ok to do Deca only? The other guys post scared me :(

[bobbyrlg]

LOL..I think I agree with you .... :)
For now I think Im gonna do 250 testE, 200 EQ for the 1st 3 to 4 weeks thne maybe bump it after that....

200mg of EQ is worthless, there's no reason to bump it up later. Just run the cycle as planned and listen to the people here, not some idiot at your gym.

[bobbyrlg]

I am a newbie. I ordered Deca today. Is it ok to do Deca only? The other guys post scared me :(

Sure you can run deca by itself, if you don't mind getting a limp dick, no sex drive and major shutdown. Always run test with deca or at the very least some dbol.

[mustanged77]

Listen to those guys. Deca alone is stupid. You will feel like crap. Forget about having sex or even masterbating. You will be as limp as wet paper.
You must use test with deca at least. :cool:

[Tyrone]

LOL..I think I agree with you .... :)
For now I think Im gonna do 250 testE, 200 EQ for the 1st 3 to 4 weeks thne maybe bump it after that....
This isn't the point. If you are @ 130 or so and 5'5" and your goal is 150 then you need to make sure your work out is correct and diet to match. AAS is not the quick fix but if you have the 2 prior points down and are set on it why go with Test/Eq. If you are healthy and on a 5'5" frame I say just try Test first. Others may dissagree but you have a small frame. Not to say you couldn't do it but it would give you an overall idea of how the one substance acts alone with your body. Then since your goal is 150, you can add Eq. if you choose to (with test). If you take only 250 mg's a week you prob. won't get very close to what you want. But who knows, you are very light.

[BigO]

There's nothing wrong with running deca and eq....i do it quite often....the eq is an appetite stimulator and it also gets me vascular where as the deca certainly makes my elbows and joints feel a whole lot better...

Along with a solid test base of 750..deca 400 and eq 400-600....

[Vengeance]

J-Fish... I would go with exactly what Kaiser laid out for you - it's a great beginner's cycle, easy on your system (no orals) and should get you to your bodyweight goals. Provided that your protein and calories are high and you follow a good basic lifting routine, you should be very happy. I would have some Nolvadex or Arimidex on hand in case you are prone to estrogen related side effects, and make sure your PCT is in line. In my experience, doing 200 mg of EQ is pointless. Do the 400 mg or leave it out and just do the test.

...and in case you missed everyone elses posts on the subject, no Deca by itself - always with test.

[Rhandhular]

I wonder if any of these guys who say running deca alone will shut you down are talking from experience or are the just parroting what they have heard.

[bod1ggity]

I wonder if any of these guys who say running deca alone will shut you down are talking from experience or are the just parroting what they have heard.
no, it is true that if you run decca alone it will mess with your libido, plust it wont give you gains worth the money your spending... some people have to run proviron, test and decca because the test isnt enough to keep libido up, me personally I just run a-dex with it and my libido is fine... im just a horny bastard I guess.

[CountVascular]

Bod you were right on the numbers with the proviron for me...that, the test and decca....I even have a throbber going up and down the elevator.....I dread having to leave HK in this state, I may get pulled over on suspicion of smuggling shit out down the front of my trousers......

This time last week i wouldnt have said "ok enough wood already....but I know my luck, as soon as I utter those words, a spell may be cast upon me...." so I will bear the pain of the constant throbber :D

[JellyFish]

well update ..Ive been on the test250/eq200 every 4 days ive gained 23lbs so far tiny bit of gut from eating so friken much ...Im always hungry it sucks..Im halfway thru my cycle so far..

Im way stronger Ive ever been in my whole life and had to buy new shirts so far not bad... Seeing the results does motivate you to go to gym every day

[Tyrone]

well update ..Ive been on the test250/eq200 every 4 days ive gained 23lbs so far tiny bit of gut from eating so friken much ...Im always hungry it sucks..Im halfway thru my cycle so far..

Im way stronger Ive ever been in my whole life and had to buy new shirts so far not bad... Seeing the results does motivate you to go to gym every day
No Shit! :D

[Kaiser]

well update ..Ive been on the test250/eq200 every 4 days ive gained 23lbs so far tiny bit of gut from eating so friken much ...Im always hungry it sucks..Im halfway thru my cycle so far..

Im way stronger Ive ever been in my whole life and had to buy new shirts so far not bad... Seeing the results does motivate you to go to gym every day

Thataboy. Dont worry about the fat you build while on the cycle. You are what we call a hard gainer, so your natural leaness will come back once your levels have evened out after PCT. I didn't want to say it, but I thought you would blow up like fish, Jellyfish because that is usually what I have seen in the past from people your size and shape.

On a separate subject:
As far as the Deca is concerned, yes I do believe some people rattle off "Take Test With It Or Die" even though they have no experience with it alone in a cycle. I know a couple of people who have taken it alone with no problems. This line of talk over and over I think ends up getting more into someone's psychy and causing them mentally to stay flacid to a certain extent. Lets face it, basically anything in the AAS or testosterone world has the ability to shut someone down if the persons normal chemical balance is off by default even BEFORE they try AAS. I believe this is where a number of these cases are pointed out. In the end, as a pointer for the general public, using test is a good idea I feel, but not totally necessary in every situation. But to keep everyone happy, I guess I'll leave it at that, so they can stay on the "safe side" of inexperienced opinion. As for me, I run a base of Test with everything because I like the added benefits of it, not because I am afraid the AAS will give me a problem.

[JellyFish]

I actually never wanted to decca alone I was just wondering if 500test/200eq/200decca would be good

BTW what do mean BLOW UP like a fish....u mean get fat cause my ass skinny Ive been as low 118 lbs in the last 2 years (im 138-141 right now and going up still )

[Kaiser]

I actually never wanted to decca alone I was just wondering if 500test/200eq/200decca would be good

BTW what do mean BLOW UP like a fish....u mean get fat cause my ass skinny Ive been as low 118 lbs in the last 2 years (im 138-141 right now and going up still )

Deca was mentioned by otheres in the thread.

As far as the blow up like a fish, meaning that you should gain a good amount of mass from your first cycle.

[JellyFish]

I think my gains would even be more If I had a normal JOB.. I run all day long for 9+ hours and have very little sleep less than 5 hours a night...

Im a single father with 2 dogs and a kid and fuXXed up job that pays the bills than some but its terrible for BodyBuilding....


I wish I could just work out and sleep and eat for 5 weeks straight

[Tyrone]

I think my gains would even be more If I had a normal JOB.. I run all day long for 9+ hours and have very little sleep less than 5 hours a night...

Im a single father with 2 dogs and a kid and fuXXed up job that pays the bills than some but its terrible for BodyBuilding....


I wish I could just work out and sleep and eat for 5 weeks straight
If you don't mind me asking, what is your job?

[JellyFish]

I work for UPS..... friken slave drivers

[ROCK157]

I used to work in a slave sweat shop before and after I got out of work I took an hour or two nap before I started to lift. This really helped out. I don't know how much free time you have .