Thoughts on Tren A, Test Prop, EQ, Winny

[godfather2112]

Just planning my next cycle out before summer. My last cycle consisted of Tren A, Test E, and EQ. Loved the gains and strength. Only did 8 weeks however and really feel like I could have got more gains if I stayed on longer (dont feel like i got the best advice from my friend). Here is my proposed cycle. If its completely whack, feel free to say so. Overall goal is to build good quality lean muscle. Looking to do 10 weeks, 12 max.

Week 1-10 Test P 50mg EOD
Week 1-8 Tren A 75mg EOD
Week 1-10 EQ 400mg weekly (shot twice a week)
Week 5-10 Winny 50mg EOD
WEEKS 1- 10: HCG 500iu Every 5 days

Plan on getting T3 to help with energy. My energy was so trained this past time. Cant use clen as I get bad headaches even on low doses (who wants it?) Will have Adex on hand, and standard PCT with Nolva, Clomid

Stats are as follows

Height 5'10
Weight 198
BF Unknown

This will be my 3rd cycle. Again, wanting to get a leaner more defined muscle growth.

[AlwaysBanned]

Looks like a solid cycle to me, bro.

Best of luck:cool:

[Mr. Intensity]

Just planning my next cycle out before summer. My last cycle consisted of Tren A, Test E, and EQ. Loved the gains and strength. Only did 8 weeks however and really feel like I could have got more gains if I stayed on longer (dont feel like i got the best advice from my friend). Here is my proposed cycle. If its completely whack, feel free to say so. Overall goal is to build good quality lean muscle. Looking to do 10 weeks, 12 max.

Week 1-10 Test P 50mg EOD
Week 1-8 Tren A 75mg EOD
Week 1-10 EQ 400mg weekly (shot twice a week)
Week 5-10 Winny 50mg EOD
WEEKS 1- 10: HCG 500iu Every 5 days

Plan on getting T3 to help with energy. My energy was so trained this past time. Cant use clen as I get bad headaches even on low doses (who wants it?) Will have Adex on hand, and standard PCT with Nolva, Clomid

Stats are as follows

Height 5'10
Weight 198
BF Unknown

This will be my 3rd cycle. Again, wanting to get a leaner more defined muscle growth.


Looks like you have all your ducks in a row...so good for you. I dont personally like mixing long and short esters, but thats just me. The only thing I don't like about this cycle is the length of EQ. I love EQ, but for me it is just starting to kick ass around wk 10 and thats when you're wrapping it up. Thats just my opinion though bud....other than that it looks pretty. You gotta love the Test P and Tren A. (my personal favorite)

[Invrt]

Just planning my next cycle out before summer. My last cycle consisted of Tren A, Test E, and EQ. Loved the gains and strength. Only did 8 weeks however and really feel like I could have got more gains if I stayed on longer (dont feel like i got the best advice from my friend). Here is my proposed cycle. If its completely whack, feel free to say so. Overall goal is to build good quality lean muscle. Looking to do 10 weeks, 12 max.

Week 1-10 Test P 50mg EOD
Week 1-8 Tren A 75mg EOD
Week 1-10 EQ 400mg weekly (shot twice a week)
Week 5-10 Winny 50mg EOD
WEEKS 1- 10: HCG 500iu Every 5 days

Plan on getting T3 to help with energy. My energy was so trained this past time. Cant use clen as I get bad headaches even on low doses (who wants it?) Will have Adex on hand, and standard PCT with Nolva, Clomid

Stats are as follows

Height 5'10
Weight 198
BF Unknown

This will be my 3rd cycle. Again, wanting to get a leaner more defined muscle growth.

You are not running enough test unless you meant ED.

I run a cycle very similar to this Ive run it with and without the winnie. Personally with the low estrogen conversion of the tren and EQ I found the Winnie a total waste of money. Also running EQ less than 12 weeks is a total waste. I prefer 12-16 weeks.

[dudcki27]

Why do you think that 50mg eod of prop is not enough? My friend did 50mg of prop eod along with 100mg of tren ace ed and 100mg of masteron ed and felt great and was horny as hell. When I do 400-600mg of tren e a week I only use 250mg a week of test e and i always feeling great. And the same goes with about 8 other people. Tren is so strong you don't need all that extra test.

[Krom]

Personally I would up the test a bit as you go threw your cycle and split your injects into ED rather than EOD. Your blood levels with be more stable and you'll have less sides. Also I'd run the test 2 or 3 weeks longer than the EQ.

[Invrt]

Personally I would up the test a bit as you go threw your cycle and split your injects into ED rather than EOD. Your blood levels with be more stable and you'll have less sides. Also I'd run the test 2 or 3 weeks longer than the EQ.

krom~bump~ I missed that.


Dudki~ 50mg of prop eod is less than a trt dose at 175mg wk (even with the ester weight being equal of your 250mg of test E) You need to bump it up if you don't want to get permanent sides and to keep your gains .Tren shuts you down hard. And I don't give a shit about your " 8 other people" Ive heard 8 people in my gym claim they gained 20lbs off a GNC mass stack. Do some research on tren.

[dudcki27]

krom~bump~ I missed that.


Dudki~ 50mg of prop eod is less than a trt dose at 175mg wk (even with the ester weight being equal of your 250mg of test E) You need to bump it up if you don't want to get permanent sides and to keep your gains .Tren shuts you down hard. And I don't give a shit about your " 8 other people" Ive heard 8 people in my gym claim they gained 20lbs off a GNC mass stack. Do some research on tren.
Ok whatever but I've done four cycles of tren and only used 200-250mg of test a week. I know tren shuts you down hard. I've done my research on it and have always felt fine during cycle and after it. Ya and anyone that tells you they gained 20lbs on GNC mass stack is saying that so you don't know they do steroids.

[mrprop1985]

yea i agree with the others more test and run eq for longer. I used eq alone a few yrs back (i know not the best idea) and didnt see any gains till week ten..

[Mr. Intensity]

Personally I would up the test a bit as you go threw your cycle and split your injects into ED rather than EOD. Your blood levels with be more stable and you'll have less sides. Also I'd run the test 2 or 3 weeks longer than the EQ.

I agree with you Krom, and also think I need to get glasses or start reading more thoroughly. I didn't even notice the 50mg eod.

krom~bump~ I missed that.

Me too!


[QUOTE=dudcki27;287377]Ok whatever but I've done four cycles of tren and only used 200-250mg of test a week. I know tren shuts you down hard. I've done my research on it and have always felt fine during cycle and after it. Ya and anyone that tells you they gained 20lbs on GNC mass stack is saying that so you don't know they do steroids.

You may be able to run high doses of tren with low doses of test, but you are NOT everyone. You have to remember that everyone reacts differently to gear, so I think those guys were simply giving advice based on their experiences and the experiences of many others, which I guarantee more people will agree with the higher test protocal. For example, a lot of people can use Deca, but that is not the case for me. Deca, regardless of my Test dosage (high or low) shuts me down and gives me more sides than any steroid I have ever used. Again, everyone is different and I personally would raise the test dosage.

[godfather2112]

I was originally going to do Tren 75mg EOD. Could i just pin 1cc EOD (figure 50mg ED = 1cc EOD right?) After week ten could I just drop the Tren A and continue the EQ until week 12?

Thanks

[countryboyWVU]

I think your wasting money, You dont need all those chemicals in your body. Up your test and pic a 2nd ester and run it higher dosage. You will achieve similar gains and your body wont be put in such a bad situation.

I mean dude your 190 lbs, after your done with taht cycle you proposed your body is gonna be in such a shock your gonna lose everything. ouch

[dudcki27]

You may be able to run high doses of tren with low doses of test, but you are NOT everyone. You have to remember that everyone reacts differently to gear, so I think those guys were simply giving advice based on their experiences and the experiences of many others, which I guarantee more people will agree with the higher test protocal. For example, a lot of people can use Deca, but that is not the case for me. Deca, regardless of my Test dosage (high or low) shuts me down and gives me more sides than any steroid I have ever used. Again, everyone is different and I personally would raise the test dosage.
----------Mrintensity

Yeah I understand that I'm NOT everyone and we all react differently to different compounds. I was sharing my personal experience with it. I thought that's what we did around here. Sharing our personal experience with others so we all can learn more. I hope no one is giving advice on something they read once or heard from some guy at the gym. And I'm sure that most people will use more test with other roids but I'm sure most of them never tried a lower dose. For me it's a waste of money. And that's MY personal experience.

[Mr. Intensity]

You may be able to run high doses of tren with low doses of test, but you are NOT everyone. You have to remember that everyone reacts differently to gear, so I think those guys were simply giving advice based on their experiences and the experiences of many others, which I guarantee more people will agree with the higher test protocal. For example, a lot of people can use Deca, but that is not the case for me. Deca, regardless of my Test dosage (high or low) shuts me down and gives me more sides than any steroid I have ever used. Again, everyone is different and I personally would raise the test dosage.
----------Mrintensity

Yeah I understand that I'm NOT everyone and we all react differently to different compounds. I was sharing my personal experience with it. I thought that's what we did around here. Sharing our personal experience with others so we all can learn more. I hope no one is giving advice on something they read once or heard from some guy at the gym. And I'm sure that most people will use more test with other roids but I'm sure most of them never tried a lower dose. For me it's a waste of money. And that's MY personal experience.

Hey friend, I wasn't trying to come across as an ass, but if I did...I apologize to you. And yes, I agree that sharing personal experiences is what we do here and how we learn. I have done 2 cycles of Test P (100mg eod) and Tren A (75mg eod) with great results and no sides, but never ran the tren higher than the test. I personally have used a low dosage of test (around 200mg/wk) with higher dosages of Eq (400-600mg/wk) with no issues, so I do understand your logic behind the lower dosage. In fact, there is a great sticky by Ironfreak83 in the AAS forum http://www.alinboard.com/showthread.php?t=9685 that has some great discussion and information on low test dosages with higher doses of gear such as deca, eq, primo, and var to increase collagen synthesis. If you have any problems with ligaments/tendons like myself, this sticky is a must read. Again, I apologize if I came across sounding like a jerk...definately not what I was trying to do.

[dudcki27]

It's all good man and I'm going to checkout that now. Thanks

[MRDevious]

Alin has a similar cycle at the shop:


WEEKS 1- 6: Winstrol 50mg Every Other Day
WEEKS 1- 6: Trenbolone 75mg Every Other Day
WEEKS 1- 6: Cytomel(T3)50-75mcg Every Day
WEEKS 1- 8: Testosterone Propionate 50mg Every Other Day

WEEKS 1- 8: Pregnyl ( HCG) 300-500iu Every 4-5 days
WEEKS 1-10: Clenbuterol 80-100mcg 14 days ON, 14 days OFF
WEEKS 1-10: Anastozol 0.25mg Every day

WEEK 8: 40mg Nolva/100mg Clomid Every Day
WEEK 9: 30mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day
WEEK 10: 20mg Nolva/ 50mg Clomid Every Day

P.S...i'll take that Clen off of your hands :)

[godfather2112]

PM'd your mr devious