Sustanon and Eq cycle help

[firedude]

I been reading here and doing a bit of reasearch, and I want to do a cycle of 250mg Sust per week, with 400mg Eq per week. I was thinking of a 16 week cycle. I have done a handful of cycles in the past, and am a bit afraid of test.

I want to have very gradual gains, with the goal of getting harder and leaner more than adding bulk.

I'm 45 years old, 5'9" 215lbs with about 15% BF.

Can I do this cycle for longer than 16 weeks? Should I do more Eq? What do you all think about a PCT for this cycle?

I have ordered form lion nutrition in the past, so as far as the PCT goes could someone interpret there product names for which ever chemicals you all suggest as a PCT???

Thanks in advance!!!

[DTownDandy]

What were your previous cycles like?

How long ago was your last cycle?

I think it looks like a good cycle, 16 weeks is plenty imo and the EQ dose is fine.
Sus and EQ last in the system a while, honestly I'd drop the EQ on week 14 and then week 15 I'd drop the Sus and wait 13-15 days to start PCT. I think stopping EQ this way you won't have to wait the 18-21 days that you should to let it clear out of the system. The more traditioinal PCT is Nolva/Clomid, while others may use just Proviron. It just depends on factors such age/recovery/etc.

I personally would try to lower that BF down just a little bit more.

PCT- Nolvadex / Clomid
2 weeks after test pin

week 18 40/100
30/50
20/50

[drob29]

.................I think it looks like a good cycle, 16 weeks is plenty imo and the EQ dose is fine.
Sus and EQ last in the system a while, honestly I'd drop the EQ on week 14 and then week 15 I'd drop the Sus and wait 13-15 days to start PCT. I think stopping EQ this way you won't have to wait the 18-21 days that you should to let it clear out of the system. The more traditioinal PCT is Nolva/Clomid, while others may use just Proviron. It just depends on factors such age/recovery/etc.

I personally would try to lower that BF down just a little bit more.

PCT- Nolvadex / Clomid
2 weeks after test pin

week 18 40/100
30/50
20/50

I agree, but skip the sust and use cyp or E instead, and HCG wk 4- 14 500 ius E5D would be a nice addition. Do you run TRT or are you going through PCT?

BUMP for cycle history.

For me EQ raised my blood pressure too high. If you have BP issues keep your eye on that.

EDIT: ok you are not on TRT. At our age bro TRT is a wonderful thing, IMO you should look into it.

[firedude]

I agree, but skip the sust and use cyp or E instead, and HCG wk 4- 14 500 ius E5D would be a nice addition. Do you run TRT or are you going through PCT?

BUMP for cycle history.

For me EQ raised my blood pressure too high. If you have BP issues keep your eye on that.

EDIT: ok you are not on TRT. At our age bro TRT is a wonderful thing, IMO you should look into it.

What would you suggest for a TRT, I did a bit of checking and I might be up for that!!

As far as the cycle goes, depending on PCT or TRT, I could do 20-24 weeks of EQ, I've been told that the longer you are on EQ, the better because it takes so long to start working...what do you all think about that?

I might go for the Enan instead of the sust, any other thoughts?
Thanks!!

[ojs]

What would you suggest for a TRT, I did a bit of checking and I might be up for that!!

As far as the cycle goes, depending on PCT or TRT, I could do 20-24 weeks of EQ, I've been told that the longer you are on EQ, the better because it takes so long to start working...what do you all think about that?

I might go for the Enan instead of the sust, any other thoughts?
Thanks!!

What's your cycle experience?

[firedude]

I did quiet a few back in the day, in the 80's, I was powerlifting, 240's 505 bench, 605 squat, weak deadlift... lot of anadrol 50, test cyp, deca, primobolan... hardly ever went off, anyway, I was on everything it was all so dirt cheap and easy to get, and nobody cared about it.

A couple of primobolan cycles over the past 6-7 years, one EQ cycle that was a waste. about two years ago.

Over the past 6 years I've had a lot of accidents, I'm a fireman, and I've not been able to get back to where I want to be, nothing hard core of course, if I could stay 200-210 lbs, maybe 10% BF, I need strong legs, like to keep my squats over 400, don't care about bench anymore, want to be able to keep up with the younger kids trying to get my job as a lead truckie, strong cardio.

not sure if that answers your questions, but maybe where I want to go??

Thinking about some clen, been watching the diet and doing some pretty good cardio too, is short I want to be a healthy 25 YO again!! I had heard that the EQ is a good hardner, but won't do jack without the test in some form.

Hope that helps..

[ojs]

Do you bloat on DBol or Deca?

[micknort]

are you sure you cycled before ? 250 pw test and 400 pw eq ? i thought it was always more test 17a and less 19 nor ?
did i read wrong ?

[smallone]

are you sure you cycled before ?

If he said he cycled then we have to take it as he cycled. More than likely he has and has done things differently than what is considered standard protocol today on these forums. There are many different reasons and combination of AAS. He doesn't want a rapid weight gain. I took 400mg/w EQ for 16 weeks and gained at least 15 pounds. I didnt lose a single pound after cycle.

[firedude]

Do you bloat on DBol or Deca?

Like a frickin pufferfish!!!

[firedude]

are you sure you cycled before ? 250 pw test and 400 pw eq ? i thought it was always more test 17a and less 19 nor ?
did i read wrong ?

Oh yeah, I've cycled before... hardly ever correctly though, back in the 80's when deca was $3 a vile..... we just took and shot whatever back when it was cool to have a "Boz" haircut....

Within the past 5 years I've done a primo only cycle, and an EQ cycle only. I didn't even know sites like this existed...

[drob29]

Oh yeah, I've cycled before... hardly ever correctly though, back in the 80's when deca was $3 a vile..... we just took and shot whatever back when it was cool to have a "Boz" haircut....

Within the past 5 years I've done a primo only cycle, and an EQ cycle only. I didn't even know sites like this existed...

but you joined alinboard in 2005..?:confused:

[firedude]

but you joined alinboard in 2005..?:confused:

I started getting curious in about 2004-2005, about doing a cycle after I had a nasty snowboarding accident, and I pretty much lost any mass, strength, or tone I had do to multiple surgeries and a lot of recovery time. I found alinshop, and then this site to help. That's when I did the primo cycles.

There was a pretty big gap of 10 years or so when I didn't do any kind of aas.

So when you guys asked my history, I thought I'd include the stuff I did a long time ago.

So, right now just trying to do this the right way. I was a dumbass back in the day, and wasted a lot of stuff. So as far as right now, I guess I'm just asking about the EQ / Test or Sust cycle, from what I've read here it seems to be pretty mild, solid gains without blowing up.

Should I do the EQ longer than 16 weeks? I have enough to do up to 24 total, or should I do two 12 week cycles? When I started the post I only had the 16 week supply, but a buddy of mine donated some to me. Should I do the Enan, or stick with the Sust? Is 400 EQ, and 200-250 of the Sust / Enan good?
Thanks for stickin with me...

[fr8lnr01]

are you sure you cycled before ? 250 pw test and 400 pw eq ? i thought it was always more test 17a and less 19 nor ?
did i read wrong ?
There is no standard ratio of dosing. A lot of people lose the ability to make test while cycling with other steroids so they prophylactically take testosterone to avoid any adverse side-effects. You guys need to get that shit through your heads. If you are not looking to gain a substantial amount of weight to quickly that would likely be a good way of going about it (400mg/EQ and 250mg/Test).

[firedude]

What do you think about the cycle duration?
Thanks

[hcube]

If you are going to run that long you better hook up with some hCG too. Personally I would kick the test up to 375-500 mg. Your are going short-circuit your HPTA anyways.

I would start four weeks in with hCG and stop right before PCT. Something like this:

week 1-4 <no hcg> + 375 mg test + 400 mg eq
week 5-16 <250 mg hCG twice a week> + above
week 17-18 nothing
week 19-2x PCT (all from 21 to 45 days depending on your PCT of choice, ai novla clomid NO hCG, HGH, ...)

[fr8lnr01]

The reason we cycle is so we do not shut down terminally. 12-14weeks, take a 8 week break after PCT and go at it again. Have fun but don't risk (too much) getting yourself into a situation of having to be on hrt.

[firedude]

Ok, thanks all!!