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Bryce123
11-21-2009, 09:17 AM
I'm 6'0 270lbs @ 18%bf and 26yrs. I haven't cycled in 6yrs and I'm looking to get down to 8-10%bf. I want to maintain as much mass and strength as I can and maybe even gain a little. the following is the cycle that i had in mind please feel free to critique and suggest!

Weeks 1,2: 500mg sust 250 ewk
300mg deca ewk
50mg win-v Eod
20mg Novladex Ed

Weeks 3-6: 375mg sust 250 ewk
300mg deca ewk
50mg win-v Eod
300mg Equip ewk
20mg novla Ed

weeks 6-12: 250mg sust 250 Ewk
300mg deca Ewk
50mg win-v Eod
300mg Equip Ewk
30mg Anavar Ed

Week 13: clomid 40mg Ed
week14: clomid 30mg Ed
week15: clomid 20mg Ed

please feel free to give advice on liver aids and estrogen blockers, etc. Also do I need HCG?

Thanks!

AlwaysBanned
11-21-2009, 10:01 AM
A couple things, bud--

Don't taper down the test. Run a steady, even level from beginning to end.

Don't use nolva to prevent estrogen. Use arimidex (anastrozole) at .25mg ed. Arimidex is a great aromatose inhibitor, which is what you need with deca. I myself am extremely sensitive to gyno and use arimidex to prevent the side effects of anabolics.

Instead, save the nolvadex for your pct alongside the clomid. That is what SERMs are for.

What is win-v?:confused:

I would run your Sustanon and Deca cycle like this

Sustanon 500mg/wk 1-12
Deca 400mg/wk 1-10
arimidex .25mg ED/wk1-12

pct nolva/clomid wk14-17

goldseasy
11-21-2009, 07:20 PM
I'm 6'0 270lbs @ 18%bf and 26yrs. I haven't cycled in 6yrs and I'm looking to get down to 8-10%bf. I want to maintain as much mass and strength as I can and maybe even gain a little. the following is the cycle that i had in mind please feel free to critique and suggest!

Weeks 1,2: 500mg sust 250 ewk
300mg deca ewk
50mg win-v Eod
20mg Novladex Ed

Weeks 3-6: 375mg sust 250 ewk
300mg deca ewk
50mg win-v Eod
300mg Equip ewk
20mg novla Ed

weeks 6-12: 250mg sust 250 Ewk
300mg deca Ewk
50mg win-v Eod
300mg Equip Ewk
30mg Anavar Ed

Week 13: clomid 40mg Ed
week14: clomid 30mg Ed
week15: clomid 20mg Ed

please feel free to give advice on liver aids and estrogen blockers, etc. Also do I need HCG?

Thanks!

Dropping fro 18-8% BF is NEVER going to come from AAS, it's going to come from hard-core, strict dieting, training, and cardio...and it's sure as hell not gonna come from Sus/Deca

NEVER run novla with Deca...you really shouldn't use novla @ all but that's another arguement...

Yes, you almost always need HCG...

No need to get creative with doses either...1 dose all the way thru...

What's your diet and training routine look like?

bcolby
11-23-2009, 02:51 AM
why are you making this so complicated... this is still broken but you can fix it from here
it just too much

week 1-4 winny 50mg ED
week 5-8 anavar 30mg ED
week 5-12 hcg 500iu E5D
week 1-10 deca 300mg E7
week 1-12 sus 500mg E7
week 1-12 equip 300mg E7

pct nolva/clomid
40/150
40/100
20/100
20/50

Bryce123
11-23-2009, 03:33 AM
Winn-v was short for winstrol. My training regiment and diet are pretty strict. I consume @ 330 grams protein every day. I wake up at 2:30 a.m. everyday and train. before work. Not to mention I am a logger and throwing around logs everyday keeps me in great shape. Ever since leaving the military I have trained off and on. However I began lifting at 13 and I was 225 at 10% bf at 18. I'm no rookie in the weightroom I just have a big frame and hips that are as wide as as a school bus! lol! The last year I let my ass get fat I was 295 3 months ago and have trimmed off 25lbs. I train my body in proportion concentrating on the largest muscle groups the hardest ie: 1 Legs. 2 Back. 3 Chest. 4 shoulders/traps. 5 Triceps. 6 Biceps. 7 Forearms. I work chest and Tri day 1. back, bi, calves and forearms day2. shoulders and traps day 3. Legs day 4.

So keeping the test consistent. No nova. Arimidex yes. HCG yes. How should I take the HCG? mid cycle only?

bcolby
11-23-2009, 12:32 PM
oops i didnt mean avar 5-8 i meant 9-12, i dont know much about avar but usually people run winny at the end of there cycle. maybe you could switch them around.

yes hcg mid cycle. 500iu every 5 days

personally i would drop the equip and just run the deca but thats me.... 12 weeks is a minimum for equip, this is what i recommend

week 1-4 anavar 30mg ED
week 5-12 hcg 500iu E5D
week 9-12 winny 50mg ED
week 1-10 deca 300mg E7
week 1-12 sus 500mg E7
week 1-12 adex .25 EOD