Letro / strength loss

[gorillaboy]

I am on week 10 of 650mg sustanon & 800mg Equipoise..I have been making decent gains..I had a sensitive nip so i have been taking 2.5 mg of Letro every day and my gains and strength have disappeared. Could the letro effect my gains that much ?

[HybridTheory]

Letro is a very potent AI and a dose like that isnt necessary for only having "sensitive nipples." I would start dosing it at 1.25mg or perhaps even lower in your case.

How long have you been taking the letro at this dose? Also, are you saying that since the introduction of the letro your weight and strength has returned back to its pre-cycle state? or just a significant reduction relative to the pre-letro cycle progression?

I'm surprised that you're not complaing about libido issues (even with that amount of test). What brand are you using?

[gorillaboy]

I have a spray bottle from a research company. I have been taking it for about 3 weeks. I still weigh the same but my strength has gone back to pre cycle..I have been eating like a mofo too. I have stopped taking it for 4 days now..could it be the Letro for the strenght and gain loss ?

[mrmarcus]

Thats a drastic strength loss are you sure you arent overtraining, best of luck to you,bro

[joe4fsu]

That does not make much sense from my experience as Letro is very effective at what it does as an ancillinary. I think the, like marcus said, you are overtraining and need a break.

The worst thing Letro would do is completly block the estrogen from binding, however, that should not have an immediate/drastic event as you detail especially on strength.

You should take 5 days off, maintain cycle as is, rest and eat right.

[gorillaboy]

I train a body part once / 7 days..i'll take off a week and see what happens...

[Krom]

I take 1.25mg of letro EOD.. At your dose, there's probably no estrogen in your body. You want to have some estrogen if you want to build strength.

[fr8lnr01]

You are taking too much. 1.25 EOD you can even go as low as taking .20mL EOD which equates to .5mg EOD. Letro inhibits the enzyme aromatase, which is partially responsible for conversion of precursors to estrogen. Letrozole does not work as a SERM. It has a half-life of two days, so taking it EOD is fine.

[gorillaboy]

You are taking too much. 1.25 EOD you can even go as low as taking .20mL EOD which equates to .5mg EOD. Letro inhibits the enzyme aromatase, which is partially responsible for conversion of precursors to estrogen. Letrozole does not work as a SERM. It has a half-life of two days, so taking it EOD is fine.

ok thanks..I think i'm just gonna switch over to arimidex

[Alin]

I am on week 10 of 650mg sustanon & 800mg Equipoise..I have been making decent gains..I had a sensitive nip so i have been taking 2.5 mg of Letro every day and my gains and strength have disappeared. Could the letro effect my gains that much ?

2.5mg is a whopping dosage. I would back it down to around 1.25mg EOD until nips dont feel sore,, then back dosage down again.

[bcolby]

seven days a week with no rest can do more damage than anything, check this out i found it very interesting. now i dont feel as bad when i skip a day or two.
http://alinboard.com/showthread.php?t=10280&highlight=growth+principles

what dosage are you planning on running the adex at.

[0351mang]

Can you show me where you found the information about why you thought that much letro was gonna have positive affects?

[gorillaboy]

Can you show me where you found the information about why you thought that much letro was gonna have positive affects?

Well the Letro I have came from a research company and it was adjusted to 2.5 mg / pump. I just did 1 pump / day.
why would the company have it @ 2.5mg if that is a high dose ? its not like you can do a half of a pump...

[fr8lnr01]

Just get an insulin pin, cut the end off and use that to dose it. 25 units a day. Research companies always dose the products at the standard dose. You need to adjust it for yourself; your not dying of breast cancer. Letrozole is more effective and also more cost effective. Stick witht the letro.

[bcolby]

how long have you been taking the letro exactly. has it solved your nip problem.

[gorillaboy]

how long have you been taking the letro exactly. has it solved your nip problem.

I took it for about 3 weeks..nip isn't sensitive but there is a ball behind the nipple..

[0351mang]

I wonder what you would have done if the company made a 5 or 10 mg dose?

[Krom]

Just get an insulin pin, cut the end off and use that to dose it. 25 units a day. Research companies always dose the products at the standard dose. You need to adjust it for yourself; your not dying of breast cancer. Letrozole is more effective and also more cost effective. Stick witht the letro.

Bump, this is what I do. Just pull the needle out of a slin pin with a pair of pliers.

[gorillaboy]

I'm starting to think my gear is BUNK...650mg of Test and 800mg of EQuipoise...my strength should be increasing...not even getting a pump....

[gorillaboy]

This shit has destroyed my strength !!! How long should it take for the test to get estro level normal ?

[fr8lnr01]

Just take a half every other day. If your nips are sensitive I doubt the gear is bunk.

[bcolby]

your on week ten, how much did you gain before you started the letro. how is your diet, and did you take time off like we said.

[0351mang]

What have you gained since the begining? Stop the letro. Any other sides? If you are having side effects then the gear aint fake brother. Make sure you're not over training and how much are you eating?

[gorillaboy]

I stopped the letro 3 weeks ago , Took 8 days off of the Gym , eating 4000 calories...still no strength..I can't figure it out...I got my gear from the Ax line...I did this same cycle from Alin 2 years ago and i was a beast....i'm stunned

[gorillaboy]

your on week ten, how much did you gain before you started the letro. how is your diet, and did you take time off like we said.

The only thing i can think of is my doc had me on 500mg of enanthate every 2 weeks for 4 months before I started my cycle..I don't think that would hamper my cycle though...

[bcolby]

what are your stats... age, weight, height, bodyfat, lifting experiance?

what kind of strength are we looking for... how is your weight...

strength and weight before cycle... half way through... and now?

[gorillaboy]

33 yrs old , lifting since high school , using gear 8 years , 15% , 200lbs , 5'8 , My weight has gone up 8-10 lbs..I am eating 4000 calories a day...ZERO strength..My muscles are flat when i work out..not even the slightest hint of a pump..Could the 4 months of TRT have burned my receptors out ? I can't figure it out...

[gorillaboy]

I know it has to be an Estrogen issue..I had to quit my softball team because I can't run..When I try to run my knees and joints hurt like a mofo...on my offdays my muscles ache like a bitch..It feels like i'm dryed up...

[hcube]

that sounds reasonable,
but stop the guessing game and get your blood work done.

[bcolby]

yeah man im stumped

[gorillaboy]

that sounds reasonable,
but stop the guessing game and get your blood work done.

Going on Monday ....