First true AAS cycle, need some pro opinions..

[nikka07]

Wassup guys, Ive been doing my homework on AAS for a couple years now and tried prohormones but im finally coming over to the darkside. I'm new to alinboard but have been reading on this site for sometime now. All of your threads have helped me tremendously and im looking for some in particular advice on my cycle. I did an 8 week cycle of a prohormone called 'cyclo bolan' and around the 7th week i started getting tenderness in my nips and then developed a tiny pea sized lump directly behind them.. so i stopped and started some nolva asap and it diminished over a couple months. The lumps remained but the soreness went away. After proper research and many late nights i recently started a cycle of the real deal.

weeks 1-5: 30mgs dbol ED
weeks 1-10: 400 mgs/DECA EW
weeks 6-12: 100mgs/Test Prop EOD

pcts:
weeks: 11-15 Nolvadex 20mg ED
weeks: 13-15 Clomid 200mgs-day1, 100mgs-day2, and 50mgs-days 3-21.

Now my concern is that only 5 days into my cycle my gyno has started to be sore again, they inflamed a little but not much, so i started taking some clomid and it seems to be slightly less irratated. im now on day 12 and nothing has changed. Im not sure if its dbol related, or prolactin induced from the deca. The reason i took clomid instead of nolva is bc ive read not to take nolva while on deca. I got some arimidex on the way from a buddy and plan on starting tomorrow. Do you think this will help? and what dosages should i start with considering my problem? Any input would be GREATLY appreciated!!

stats:
age: 25
Ht: 6'4"
Wt:225
Bf: ~15-17% (im working on it:o)

been training hard since i was about 20, tired of not gaining, so here i am.

[Robblack]

i would start on the nolva at 20mg a day and that should make it go away. once you get your arimidex you could run .5mg ed for the rest of your cycle. i don't really like the looks of your cycle either. test should be run through the entire cycle. i don't know why you are starting it on week 6. that is also overkill for a first cycle. the prop alone would have given you great gains although test e or c at 500mg a week is ideal for a first cycle. you could even use the dbol to kick start it if you don't want to wait for the test to kick in

[nikka07]

yea i hear ya robblack, and thanks for the advice...originally i was just gonna do the deca/dbol cycle but i know dbol is hard on the liver and im obviously gyno prone so i wanted to cut out the dbol and replace it with the prop. the reason for the test at week 6 is because i dont have enough test to go all the way through and i dont wanna run deca alone. i also have read that nolva shouldnt be taken while on deca. help me out. thanks.

[Robblack]

then you shouldn't have run deca at all and just ran test. you obviously have not done enough research to start a cycle

[nikka07]

deca is one of the oldest and most widely used AAS in the world with great results. Ive been studying this shit for a lonnggg time my friend, and instead of just reading these boards and listening to people saying test only cycles are for beginners i decided to do the extensive part and read about the esters myself. the dbol will boost my estrogen while on the deca, and the fast acting, short ester of the prop will then boost it even more, if you noticed im running the prop 2 weeks longer than the deca instead of starting two weeks earlier and finishing the deca/test at the same time. ive always loved how people are so quick to dish out the "you obviously dont know what your talking about crap." also, dr's where ever you go will tell you prop shouldnt be ran more than 6-8 weeks at that dose. but you dont see me here telling you that you dont know shit. thanks for the advice anyway.

[nikka07]

dbol/deca is a good stack for bulk. also, deca/prop is sufficient too. so where do u see the problem with this cycle?

[mrmarcus]

then you shouldn't have run deca at all and just ran test. you obviously have not done enough research to start a cycle

where did you read to start the most important substance in your cycle at the 6th week, TEST RULES KEEP IT RUNNIN FOR 2 WEEKS AFTER THE DECA, 4 WEEKS OF DBOL IS SUFFICIENT, PEACE GREAT LUCK YO

[nikka07]

and IF my gyno is prolactin induced, your advice to take nolva would only make it worse..

[nikka07]

mrmarcus first of all, good lookin out on not being insulting while giving advice lol much appreciated!! and i didnt necessarily read that i just know deca/dbol is enough at one time for a first cycle, and when i stopped the dbol at now week 4 i was gonna replace it with the prop to keep the test flowin. if i had more prop id run it longer but i wanted to make sure i had enough to get me 2 weeks past the last deca pin.

[Robblack]

where did you read to start the most important substance in your cycle at the 6th week, TEST RULES KEEP IT RUNNIN FOR 2 WEEKS AFTER THE DECA, 4 WEEKS OF DBOL IS SUFFICIENT, PEACE GREAT LUCK YO

if you go back and read his first post you'll see he is starting test at week 6 and said he didn't have enough to buy more test. i'm saying that he should have dropped the deca then and just ran test.

[nikka07]

robblack how could i just run the test if i dont have more than 7 weeks worth? and again deca/dbol weeks 1-5 n deca/prop to finish it off,running the prop 2 weeks longer than the deca

[mrmarcus]

if you go back and read his first post you'll see he is starting test at week 6 and said he didn't have enough to buy more test. i'm saying that he should have dropped the deca then and just ran test.

BUMP

ANYWAYS your first cycle should be TEST to feel it out, then hopefully, blast off with the REAL DEAL, good luck bro ;)

[nikka07]

i know i appreciate your advice but i have already started and dont plan on stopping, when i hit week 6 ill be on test/deca, n im looking for help with the gyno not to rearrange my cycle, im not trying to be a dick i just wanted some legit advice on my gyno problem ya know?

[nikka07]

would u guys reccommend just getting more prop and running it the rest of the way through till 2 weeks after the last deca pin?

[nikka07]

new update, im getting my hands on more prop so im gonna start next week and week 5 ill drop the dbol and just run the deca/prop

[nikka07]

so itll be week 1-4 dbol 30mgs ED, weeks 1-10 400mg deca, and weeks 3-12 the prop at 1cc EOD. sound good?

[AlwaysBanned]

Nikka--

Usually you run long esters together or short esters together.

For example....

Test Cyp/Deca OR Test Prop/Npp

Your pairing of a short ester and a long ester makes this cycle a bit different, but completely feesable.

This is how I would run the cycle

Test Prop 100mg EOD/wk 1-12
Deca 400mg/wk 1-10
Dbol 30mg ED/wk 1-5

If you do not have any more than 7 weeks worth of test prop (30ml) then this is what I would do...

Test Prop 100mg EOD/wk1-7
Dbol 30mg ED/wk 1-5

Oh....and research, you dumb noob!

(cmon bro I had to:rolleyes:)

[countryboyWVU]

deca is one of the oldest and most widely used AAS in the world with great results. Ive been studying this shit for a lonnggg time my friend, and instead of just reading these boards and listening to people saying test only cycles are for beginners i decided to do the extensive part and read about the esters myself. the dbol will boost my estrogen while on the deca, and the fast acting, short ester of the prop will then boost it even more, if you noticed im running the prop 2 weeks longer than the deca instead of starting two weeks earlier and finishing the deca/test at the same time. ive always loved how people are so quick to dish out the "you obviously dont know what your talking about crap." also, dr's where ever you go will tell you prop shouldnt be ran more than 6-8 weeks at that dose. but you dont see me here telling you that you dont know shit. thanks for the advice anyway.

You should have waited until you had all your anti E's in line.
Yes you should have ran test only cycle, with maybe DBOL.
If you knew you were gyno prone and started a cycle without aromasin or what not, then YOU DEFINATLEY HAVE NOT READ ENOUGH.

your in for a rough ride, hopefully you come out of it without bitch tits. get your cycle in order next time before you fuck you body up even more

because right now, your body is so fucked up and your hormones are all over the places, you are putting your body through a rollercoster ride dude.

[countryboyWVU]

i know i appreciate your advice but i have already started and dont plan on stopping, when i hit week 6 ill be on test/deca, n im looking for help with the gyno not to rearrange my cycle, im not trying to be a dick i just wanted some legit advice on my gyno problem ya know?


your about as hard headed as me.... were telling you to stop yoru cycle cause your gonna fuck yourself up, thats how you fix your gyno! read and get your shit in line

test prop wk 1-8
arimidex wk 1-8
standard pct

[nikka07]

Nikka--

Usually you run long esters together or short esters together.

For example....

Test Cyp/Deca OR Test Prop/Npp

Your pairing of a short ester and a long ester makes this cycle a bit different, but completely feesable.

This is how I would run the cycle

Test Prop 100mg EOD/wk 1-12
Deca 400mg/wk 1-10
Dbol 30mg ED/wk 1-5

If you do not have any more than 7 weeks worth of test prop (30ml) then this is what I would do...

Test Prop 100mg EOD/wk1-7
Dbol 30mg ED/wk 1-5

Oh....and research, you dumb noob!

(cmon bro I had to:rolleyes:)

would it be okay to start the test now and maintain with the rest of my cycle? cause it seemslike the only problem u see with my cycle now is that theres no test correct?

[nikka07]

i can get more test

[xvvfacevvx]

Good luck bro, keep us posted!!!!!

[Robblack]

would it be okay to start the test now and maintain with the rest of my cycle? cause it seemslike the only problem u see with my cycle now is that theres no test correct?

yeah, start the test and run that till the end. every cycle should include test imo. i would drop the deca too. since this is your 1st cycle, there is no need for multiple compounds and you'll see great results from test alone if your diet and training are right. i've always thought its best to run the least amount that you need in order to see good results. the more you run, the more sides you get. and it seems you are already prone to gyno so i would run arimidex through your cycle. but if you don't want to listen about the deca, at least run the test.

[nikka07]

robblack thanks for not giving up on me man. I like your advice this time, and your right the more compounds the more complicated.. i read everywhere that deca/dbol is a great beginner stack but i must be misinformed. if i were to just run test alone with the 4 week dbol boost, what would be the dosages of the test? 1cc EOD (mon-wed-fri)?

[nikka07]

so i have decided to take your advice and drop the deca and just run the test with the dbol...now should i ween off of the deca for a week or two or just stop immediately? also is mon-wed-fri schedule for the prop ok?