How would YOU set up this cycle

[DDAL]

38yrs old; Havent run a cycle in 19yrs... could use some help. Any input welcome. Here's what I've got right now. 2x Test Enanthate 300mg/ml. 3x Stanozolol 20mg 50caps. 2x Anadrol 50mg 50caps. 1x Tamoxifen Citrate 20mg/ml 60ml. Clomid on its way. How would you stack it ??

totals.. 3000mg Stanozolol
5000mg Anadrol
600mg Testosterone enanthate
1200mg tamoxifen Citrate
clomid on its way...

5'9" 168lbs. been exercising steady for last year. 4x per week lifting and cardio on weekend. thanks for the help.

[semper fi]

what are your goals? by your stats you seem pretty cut now.actually to light.what type of physique do you want? are your calculations correct.you only have enuff test for 1week

[semper fi]

if I'm correct you prob meant 2x 10ml vial which is 2000 mg.It's still not enuff test for a decent cycle

[DDAL]

right.. typo. two 10ml vials @ 300mg/ml; 6000mg total. looking for a little more size, no more than 185lbs. I'm naturally lean, wrestled all my life.. coaching my little guys now. Want to keep the hardness, no bloat.

[igotups20]

never taken test E...but everything i read on it says you'll bloat. took anadrol one time when i was young and stupid and bloated and got gyno. however, i've known a lot of guys that take anadrol to bulk up and they bloat up really bad, but get massive strength and size. hell...when i took it i got strength and size. messed up my body though, i did no research, no pct, i was lazy, and wanted crazy results fast.

[DTownDandy]

38yrs old; Havent run a cycle in 19yrs... could use some help. Any input welcome. Here's what I've got right now. 2x Test Enanthate 300mg/ml. 3x Stanozolol 20mg 50caps. 2x Anadrol 50mg 50caps. 1x Tamoxifen Citrate 20mg/ml 60ml. Clomid on its way. How would you stack it ??

totals.. 3000mg Stanozolol
5000mg Anadrol
600mg Testosterone enanthate
1200mg tamoxifen Citrate
clomid on its way...

5'9" 168lbs. been exercising steady for last year. 4x per week lifting and cardio on weekend. thanks for the help.



First, lets look at diet
Your 5'9 and 168lbs....you're fucking skinny.
Post a diet because its definately off.
You need to be eating probably double the amount you are now if not more.

As far as cycle concerns....Dont use anything right now.

Obviously your diet isnt the best so gear at this point is like pissing in the wind....you're going to get wet (waste good gear).

Right now you need to post that diet and workout routine as well as previous cycles and current BF. If that BF is over 12-14 % you;d be an idiot to run gear. Just my 2 cents tho brosef

[DDAL]

your 2 cents are greatly appreciated... I'm at 7% bf right now. Diet consists of 6 meals a day; 4500 calories. chicken & various greens mostly. Havent cycled in years.. freshman year wrestling to be exact. winny + anadrol. Huge strength gains... I'm naturally lean, always had trouble gaining weight, fast metabolism runs in the family.

[DTownDandy]

your 2 cents are greatly appreciated... I'm at 7% bf right now. Diet consists of 6 meals a day; 4500 calories. chicken & various greens mostly. Havent cycled in years.. freshman year wrestling to be exact. winny + anadrol. Huge strength gains... I'm naturally lean, always had trouble gaining weight, fast metabolism runs in the family.

You need the hardgainers diet then bro, its the see food diet.
You need to fucking eat anything you get your hands on.
Dont worry about sticking to low carbs and low fat, fucking eat eat eat.
Once you get some solid muscle it will be easier to get that extra BF off.
Carry a full jar of Peanut butter with you at all times, eat the hell out of it.
Drink alot of milk, milk is great to put on some solid mass.

Post up your exact diet....

*when i said eat everything this doesnt mean gorging on 5 mickey d value meals a day either....Try to eat somewhat clean but you need the carbs and fat to build some muscle!

[Jello]

We don't do that here. Post up a proposed cycle and we will critique it for you. You should also post up your diet and work out routine, and try to be specific.

[DDAL]

week 1-12 Test E 6oomg a week.pin mon.and thurs
week 1-4 adrol 100mg a day 50mg in morn.50 b4 bed
week 8-12 start running the stanz
week 15-26 PCT clomid,nolva

what do you guys think of this ? looks good to me.

[DTownDandy]

previous cycle history?

[countryboyWVU]

WOW you don not need 10 weeks PCT.

With that being said. Post somthing more along the lines of this...

Diet POST UP YOUR DIET

Morning 5 eggs, yogurt, 1 slice wheat bread.
lunch chicken,rice or veggies, milk or water
a couple Optimum whey shakes before workout in between meals.
40g protein shake preworkout
40g protein shake, 40g dextrose postworkout, or Chicken and white noodles.
Dinner chicken, steak, fish, veggies,
Post 6pm
Tuna, lunchmeat turkey or angus roastbeef sandwich.
Yogurt
Fruit
shake with milk pre bed

PUT YOUR METABOLISM. HOW LONG YOUVE BEEN TRAINING. GOALS ETC. DO YOU WANT TO BULK??? OR WHAT. WE NEED MORE INFORMATION ON YOU!!!

Training program POST UP YOUR TRAINING PROGRAM

Mon - Chest, Shoulders, Triceps
* Incline press - warm-up sets, 1 work set
* Flat flyes - 1 work set
* Millitary press - 1 warm-up, 1 work set
* Lateral flyes - 1 work set
* Rear delt machine - 1 work set
* Tricep pushdowns - 1 warm-up, 1 work set
* Lying tricep extensions - 1 work-set

Wed - Quads, Hams, Calves
* Squats - warm-ups, 1 work set
* Leg press - work set
* Leg extension - work set
* Leg curl - warm-up, work set
* Stiff leg deadlift - work set
* Standing calf raise - work set

Fri - Abs, Back, Bis
* Rope crunches - warm up, work set
* Lat pull down - warm-ups, work set
* Deadlift - warm-up, work set
* Bent-over rows - work set
* Shrugs - work set
* Standing BB curls - warm up, work set
* Concentration curl - work set

SERIOUSLY THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. AAS WILL HELP YOU REACH YOUR PERSONAL GOALS FASTER THAN NATURAL. AND YOUR OLD ENOUGH TO RUN YOUR CYCLE AND RECOVER FAST AND HELL. The smart thing would be to get your diet on key and do it naturally. youll learn your body a lot more and it will more than help you in the long run. If you dont take your diet seriously, you will shrink back up to a beanpole after cycle, and everyone around you will know you did steriods and had no idea what you were doing and youll look like an idiot ( most of my friends ). This forum is for us to help you, and most people will post up, DO IT NATURAL YOULL FUCK YOURSELF UP, YOUR STUPID... Personally i hate that and i think its immature. I will help you as much as i can whatever decision you make.

post up your information!!!!!! ASAP

[countryboyWVU]

week 1-12 Test E 6oomg a week.pin mon.and thurs
week 1-4 adrol 100mg a day 50mg in morn.50 b4 bed
week 8-12 start running the stanz
week 15-26 PCT clomid,nolva

what do you guys think of this ? looks good to me.


YOUR FRAME OF MIND IS WAAAAAYYYYY OFF. THAT LOOKS HORRIBLE. DO WHAT EVERYONE HERE IS TELLING YOU TO DO. SO WE CAN HELP YOU

[superbeast22]

i think someone lied to him about something related to AAS lmao

[DDAL]

Thx for the help guys.. sorry for the delay, this site is blocked @ work. Here's the diet I've been following for the past 3mos. Been using the same workout or some variation of it for last 6months. supplemented with cardio (running or biking) on weekends.

Breakfast:
4 egg whites 1 egg yolk
1 cup oats
1 scoop whey
250g Banana
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Calories-780 | Fat -14g | Carb-116g | Protein - 54g
Pre work out meal:
200g sweet potato
130g chicken breast
150g banana
100g vegetable
5 almonds
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Calories-600 | Fat -9g | Carb-80g | Protein - 50g
Post work out meal:
200g brown rice
165g chicken breast
200g vegetable
1 medium apple
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Calories-675 | Fat -9g | Carb-87g | Protein - 64g
Meal 4:
85g whole wheat pasta
120g lean 93% ground beef
handful of almonds
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Calories-515 | Fat -12g | Carb-66g | Protein - 42g
Meal 5:
150g tilapia fish
150g vegetables
1 slice of bread
handful of almonds
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Calories-351 | Fat -10g | Carb-24g | Protein - 46g
Pre sleep:
250g 1% CC
45g Natural PB
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Calories-780 | Fat -26g | Carb-17g | Protein - 47g
TOTAL: ~ 3450 calories | 400g Carbs | 300g Protein | 80g Fat
Macors: P35%/C45%/F20%

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My workout varies, but here's the basics of it.. big fan of the supersets.

monday: chest/back/bi/tri/upper abs
set 1 *incline dumbell press 3 sets 8-12 (no rest)
close grip pull-up to frint. 3sets 8-10 reps. (1min rest)

set 2 *flat dumbell press 3 sets 10-12 (no rest)
neutral grip pull ups. 3 sets 10-12 (1min rest)

set 3 *Dumbbell hammer curls. 3sets 8-10reps (no rest)
overhead triceps extensions 3sets 8-10 reps (1min rest)

set4 *dumbbell preacher curls 3sets 10-12reps (no rest)
triceps pushdowns 3sets 10-12 reps (1min rest)

tuesday: thigh/hamstrings/delts/calves/lower abs
set 1 *wide stance squats 3sets of 8-10 reps (no rest)
dumbbell stiff legged deadlifts 3sets of 8-10reps (1min rest)

set 2 *leg extensions 3sets of 10-12reps (no rest)
lying leg curls 3sets of 10-12 reps (1min rest)

set3 *lateral raises 3sets 8-10reps (no rest)
standing calf raises 3sets 8-10reps (1min rest)

set4 *bent over lateral raises curls 3sets 10-12reps (no rest)
seated calf raises 3sets of 8-10reps (1min rest)

hanging leg raises 3sets of 20reps (1min rest)

thursday: chest/back/biceps/triceps
set1 *incline bench press 3sets 8,6,4 reps (90sec rest)
close grip chins with reverse grip 3sets 8,6,4 (90sec rest)

set2 *chest dips, 3sets 8,6,4 (90sec rest)
wide grip pull ups to front. 3 sets of 8,,6,4 (90sec rest)

set3 *ez curls 3 sets of 8,,6,4 (60sec rest)
close grip bench press 3sets 8,6,4 (60sec rest)

set4 *ez preacher curls, 3sets 8,6,4 (60sec rest)
lying tricep extensions 3sets of 8,6,4 reps (no rest)
crunches 3 sets of 8,6,4 (60sec rest)

friday: thighs/hamstrings/delts/calves
set1 *medium stance squats 3sets 8,6,4 reps (90sec rest)
lying leg curls 3sets of 8,6,4 reeps (90sec rest)

set2 *leg press 3sets of 8,6,4 (90sec rest)
barbell stiff legged dead lifts 3sets of 8,6,4(90sec rest)

set3 *seated military press 3sets of 8,6,4 (60sec rest)
calf press 3sets of 10,8,6 reps (60sec rest)

set4 *upright rows 3sets of 8,6,4 reps (60sec rest)
standing calf raises 3sets of 10,8,6 reps (no rest)
lying leg raises 3sets of 10,8

,6 reps (60sec rest)


crunches on pilates ball 3 sets 25reps (1min rest)


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no... no one lied to me about AAS. I've done my homework, just looking for some advise from those with more experience than me. I have only cycled once before in my life... summer before freshman year wrestling in college. anadrol/winny cycle. huge strength gains. thanks again for the advise.. try not to flame me too much.. long time member, newbie to posting.

[DDAL]

comeon guys.. where's the love ?? I need some advice here.

[Big Daddy]

:confused:Im Sorry Ddal but if this is your cycle you need to stop and do some major reading,you have really done a cycle before???

12 WKS OF PCT??????????????????????????:eek:

[Big Daddy]

CountryBoy
where did you learn to count???

WOW you don not need 10 weeks PCT.

With that being said. Post somthing more along the lines of this...

Diet POST UP YOUR DIET

Morning 5 eggs, yogurt, 1 slice wheat bread.
lunch chicken,rice or veggies, milk or water
a couple Optimum whey shakes before workout in between meals.
40g protein shake preworkout
40g protein shake, 40g dextrose postworkout, or Chicken and white noodles.
Dinner chicken, steak, fish, veggies,
Post 6pm
Tuna, lunchmeat turkey or angus roastbeef sandwich.
Yogurt
Fruit
shake with milk pre bed

PUT YOUR METABOLISM. HOW LONG YOUVE BEEN TRAINING. GOALS ETC. DO YOU WANT TO BULK??? OR WHAT. WE NEED MORE INFORMATION ON YOU!!!

Training program POST UP YOUR TRAINING PROGRAM

Mon - Chest, Shoulders, Triceps
* Incline press - warm-up sets, 1 work set
* Flat flyes - 1 work set
* Millitary press - 1 warm-up, 1 work set
* Lateral flyes - 1 work set
* Rear delt machine - 1 work set
* Tricep pushdowns - 1 warm-up, 1 work set
* Lying tricep extensions - 1 work-set

Wed - Quads, Hams, Calves
* Squats - warm-ups, 1 work set
* Leg press - work set
* Leg extension - work set
* Leg curl - warm-up, work set
* Stiff leg deadlift - work set
* Standing calf raise - work set

Fri - Abs, Back, Bis
* Rope crunches - warm up, work set
* Lat pull down - warm-ups, work set
* Deadlift - warm-up, work set
* Bent-over rows - work set
* Shrugs - work set
* Standing BB curls - warm up, work set
* Concentration curl - work set

SERIOUSLY THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. AAS WILL HELP YOU REACH YOUR PERSONAL GOALS FASTER THAN NATURAL. AND YOUR OLD ENOUGH TO RUN YOUR CYCLE AND RECOVER FAST AND HELL. The smart thing would be to get your diet on key and do it naturally. youll learn your body a lot more and it will more than help you in the long run. If you dont take your diet seriously, you will shrink back up to a beanpole after cycle, and everyone around you will know you did steriods and had no idea what you were doing and youll look like an idiot ( most of my friends ). This forum is for us to help you, and most people will post up, DO IT NATURAL YOULL FUCK YOURSELF UP, YOUR STUPID... Personally i hate that and i think its immature. I will help you as much as i can whatever decision you make.

post up your information!!!!!! ASAP

[DDAL]

woah ! that wasn't my proposal, simply someone who sent me their idea of how to run that cycle. no, I don't agree with 12+ weeks of PCT... But thus far he has been the only guy to do anything other than throw insults; he wrote his idea of how to run that cycle... I thought this board was about critiquing not insulting. This used to be a good forum to get info.

[ronnie]

Theirs lots of good info on this site,You need to spend some time here reading and learning most of your questions can be answerd by using the search button...
Put your cycle on hold for a few months and learn about what your doing.

[DTownDandy]

woah ! that wasn't my proposal, simply someone who sent me their idea of how to run that cycle. no, I don't agree with 12+ weeks of PCT... But thus far he has been the only guy to do anything other than throw insults; he wrote his idea of how to run that cycle... I thought this board was about critiquing not insulting. This used to be a good forum to get info.

Bump ronnie, you just need to search a bit more.
And you still havent posted previous cycle history. That helps us with trying to figure out what you should be doing.

[hcube]

I think he did,

your 2 cents are greatly appreciated... I'm at 7% bf right now. Diet consists of 6 meals a day; 4500 calories. chicken & various greens mostly. Havent cycled in years.. freshman year wrestling to be exact. winny + anadrol. Huge strength gains... I'm naturally lean, always had trouble gaining weight, fast metabolism runs in the family.

Anyways, the real benchmark of how good you can eat is not during the cycle, but during (and after!) the PCT. During the cycle it's relatively easy: The more you eat the more you will gain. With those type of conditions its easy to really stack food up your plate. But during PCT (or after...) it might be harder to eat right. You are not taking anything, maybe training a bit less... Perfect receipt for fail!

[DDAL]

Thanks hcube. I'll keep reading, but appreciate any help I can get.

[countryboyWVU]

CountryBoy
where did you learn to count???


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What are you trying to say? I dunno what your are talking about