cycle???

[bone7905]

i am fixing to start a cycle of test cyp, decca, d-bol, and winstroll, does anyone think this is a good combo? if not whats better? i would like to get bigger, stronger, and more cut, yeah who wouldnt! also with winstroll should i take oral or injectables. thanks for any info!!!

[Beetlejuice]

First of all you already have one oral, and it is a harsh one for the liver(DBOL) so I would go with injectable winny. I wouldnt take the winny longer than 6 weeks or the dbol longer than that either. I like to use winny at the end of my stack, and mix in the decca to keep the old joints from grinding. This is just me but you could run the test all the way through the cycle. Run Dbol first, phase in winny last 5 weeks. Just my thoughts. Hope it helps some :).

PS if you run Test for whole cycle you may not need the Decca, or vice versa. Some guys will take issue with me on that though (they believe test is always needed).

[mickeymbbc]

i am fixing to start a cycle of test cyp, decca, d-bol, and winstroll, does anyone think this is a good combo? if not whats better? i would like to get bigger, stronger, and more cut, yeah who wouldnt! also with winstroll should i take oral or injectables. thanks for any info!!!

Wks 1-10 500mg Test Cyp per week (can be shot twice per week)
Wks 1-10 400mg Deca per week (can be shot twice per week)
Wks 1-4 40mg Dbol ed
Wks 5-10 50mg Winny ed ( oral or injectable, both are liver toxic anyway)
Wks 1-10 .5mg Arimidex eod (you might be able to drop the Arimidex once you start the Winny. Winny has some pretty good anti-e qualities)

PCT starts Weeks 13

Wk 13 - 40mg nolva ed / 3000mg Trib ed
Wk 14 - 30mg nolva ed / 3000mg Trib ed
Wk 15 - 20mg nolva ed / 3000mg Trib ed

Remember that your diet is going to dictate your outcome.




-mick

[mickeymbbc]

Some guys will take issue with me on that though (they believe test is always needed).

I dont think that test is always needed in a cycle. There are many cycles out there if ran correctly without test can receive great results.




-mick

[Beetlejuice]

I dont think that test is always needed in a cycle. There are many cycles out there if ran correctly without test can receive great results.




-mick
Bump Mick. Thankyou. Nice to know I am not a heretic ;)

[Beetlejuice]

Wks 1-10 500mg Test Cyp per week (can be shot twice per week)
Wks 1-10 400mg Deca per week (can be shot twice per week)
Wks 1-4 40mg Dbol ed
Wks 5-10 50mg Winny ed ( oral or injectable, both are liver toxic anyway)
Wks 1-10 .5mg Arimidex eod (you might be able to drop the Arimidex once you start the Winny. Winny has some pretty good anti-e qualities)

PCT starts Weeks 13

Wk 13 - 40mg nolva ed / 3000mg Trib ed
Wk 14 - 30mg nolva ed / 3000mg Trib ed
Wk 15 - 20mg nolva ed / 3000mg Trib ed

Remember that your diet is going to dictate your outcome.




-mick
bump mick on the liver toxic as far as winny, but I do believe the oral is more liver toxic than the injectable. I have never experienced liver cysts though so it is all based on my research.

[mickeymbbc]

bump mick on the liver toxic as far as winny, but I do believe the oral is more liver toxic than the injectable. I have never experienced liver cysts though so it is all based on my research.


you are right!! Its not as toxic as the orals. I just wanted to mention that it still is toxic, Unlike most injectables.


-mick

[Abjo24]

you are right!! Its not as toxic as the orals. I just wanted to mention that it still is toxic, Unlike most injectables.


-mick

Winny oral is only more more liver toxic because it has to pass through the liver one extra time as compared to injectible, is this correct?

[mickeymbbc]

Yea for the most part on the average person. IMHO I think that it varies from person to person. (everybody's body chemistry is different) I dont think that many ever take that into consideration. They just go with what most say and they repeat it. But I haven't seen lately much concrete proof on how long it takes each oral to deactivate while passing through the liver. Most the time, if not all orals are not deactivated on the first pass.

-mick

[Beetlejuice]

My thing is guys is that if I am going to use winny, then I don't want to waste my time on orals because the effect isnt the same, plus its more liver toxic. I guess the key is the results are questionable in comparison to what your organs go through. I will never reccomend oral winny, unless the guy is scared of the poker :p

[mickeymbbc]

[QUOTE=Beetlejuice]My thing is guys is that if I am going to use winny, then I don't want to waste my time on orals because the effect isnt the same, plus its more liver toxic. I guess the key is the results are questionable in comparison to what your organs go through. I will never reccomend oral winny, unless the guy is scared of the poker :p[/QUOTE

I agree up to a certain extent, Oral winni can be just as effective. The only thing thats sucks is that its a little more toxic, especaily when we have to take alot of pills just to be as effective as the liquid.



-mick

[Beetlejuice]

I see where you are coming from Mick. Either way I like your advice. I havnt know you to not be on the money.

[mickeymbbc]

Thanks brutha,

YOU ALSO MADE SOME PRETTY SLOID POINTS:)




-MICK